[Archived] Fifth Columnists and Conspiracy Theorists

[john.leigh]

Please, if you have some hard evidence to back up all the doom saying that is out there then show us!!

We all love Rovers - that's why we spend time on here - and we're all concerned if something is truly afoot, but if all you have is innuendo, rumours and suspicions masquerading as fact, then stop attempting to force you opinions on others.

I respect any and all of the 'fifth columnists' and 'conspiracy theorists' as fellow Rovers fans (if they truly are) and accept their right to hold whatever 'beliefs' they choose.

However, what I despise is when the beliefs of others, beliefs which are alien to my own, start to become forced upon me and when others start believe them purely because of their repetitive theme - not because they are the truth.

I'm genuinely concerned at the damage that these fifth columnists are doing to my club.

Rovers should never be undermined by such people, I resent the division that these people are causing in their attempts at 'anti whoever' indoctrination and the continued insinuation that 'only they are privy to the truth.'

I don't know what is true these days, but I do know that the truth is true regardless of time or location.

The truth doesn't have any qualitative difference in any other location or time or else it is simply a different proposition.

People can and will always view propositions differently, because they are not the truth.

If you know the undeniable truth, the truth that underpins all the doomsday predictions that have been posted on BRFCS then please share it. Everything else is rumour and supposition.

[philipl]

Are you writing the cheques for the lawyers?

If so you are going to be stunned by what will come out.

[den]

unbelievable.

You're concerned about the harm the fans are doing to the club and feel the need to speak out, castigating posters on here, but you then defend to the hilt, the people who are causing this anguish and the people who can actually make a difference.

Come on JL!

[yoda]

unbelievable.

You're concerned about the harm the fans are doing to the club and feel the need to speak out, castigating posters on here, but you then defend to the hilt, the people who are causing this anguish and the people who can actually make a difference.

Come on JL!

He has a point,

You cannot be prosecuted for telling the truth,

its about time some people spilled the beans and stood up for what is right

[sentient]

The division between fans is a result of the crass decisions,hubris, acts and omissions of the club owners. Fans are reactionary, they cannot be blamed for the damage being done ... look to Pune for the culprits.

[den]

On the basic discussion of whether fans should speak out if they see something they don't like at their club, well of course they should. Did Leeds and Portsmouth fans not object in the local press/MB's etc against what was happening to their clubs? Of course they did. Did some of their fans label those as "Fifth Columnists and Conspiracy Theorists"? I wonder?

All football fans will have their say whichever way they can, and so they should. Good on 'em as well. Shows a bit of passion. The clubs owners should always listen to their fans. If Venky's had listened a bit more, then things might have been better.

Fans harming the club? No way Jose.

[Majiball]

He has a point,

You cannot be prosecuted for telling the truth,

its about time some people spilled the beans and stood up for what is right

Just look at our owners actions, not one person 'sacked' has spoken out, why? Gagging orders, even Sam was tentative in his comments, which should say all you need to know (whoever thought the word tentative & Sam could be used in the same sentence?). The reported mole hunt by Venky's within the club, proven with the Jones transfer shows that they will do anything to stay out of the press. So just imagine what they would do to a 'fan' who disclosed what they know? Truth or not if there are things in place preventing stories being released, the come-backs for everyday folk would be massive, let alone the site that publishes it.

People have friends to think about, you cannot make that kind of decision alone, careers and so on, the ramifications would be massive. Just look to the Giggs saga to see exactly how easy it is these days to stop the truth coming out and what needs to be done to get it out there. People on here have tried to walk a fine line and dropped enough hints, but hey lets risk our careers, our lively-hoods, our friends, our connections and so on, and all because people are unable to look at what's gone on and think hell this isn't right.

[yoda]

Just look at our owners actions, not one person 'sacked' has spoken out, why? Gagging orders, even Sam was tentative in his comments, which should say all you need to know (whoever thought the word tentative & Sam could be used in the same sentence?). The reported mole hunt by Venky's within the club, proven with the Jones transfer shows that they will do anything to stay out of the press. So just imagine what they would do to a 'fan' who disclosed what they know? Truth or not if there are things in place preventing stories being released, the come-backs for everyday folk would be massive, let alone the site that publishes it.

People have friends to think about, you cannot make that kind of decision alone, careers and so on, the ramifications would be massive. Just look to the Giggs saga to see exactly how easy it is these days to stop the truth coming out and what needs to be done to get it out there. People on here have tried to walk a fine line and dropped enough hints, but hey lets risk our careers, our lively-hoods, our friends, our connections and so on, and all because people are unable to look at what's gone on and think hell this isn't right.

Giggs didn't stop it coming out, I have offered a way to get it out but it hasn't been taken up yet!

[T.J.Newton]

of to do the ironing.

[yoda]

you have to accept blackburn has a large portion of narrow minded townybrains folloing them that you wouldnt give the time of day to normally, yet they come on sites like these spouting of there brainfarts and other idiots join in with there nonesense, Also it goes without saying that a lot of the anti venky brigade have other motivations to disrespect them at every chance.

just gave you a +

[Majiball]

Giggs didn't stop it coming out, I have offered a way to get it out but it hasn't been taken up yet!

No but it took a member of the house of commons to say it in the one place where they cannot be prosecuted. Do you honestly think that anyone would trust the person who lets things out within the world of football again? I don't for one second, ruthless the world of football maybe but at the same time loyal it is as well, hence Sam's comments about Kean knowing in advance. For me by the way those comments show clearly that Keans Loyalty wasn't to Sam or Rovers but his agent, which is disgraceful given Sam picked him of the scrapheap and took him in.

If you honestly have a way of getting it out there with zero detrimental effects on any aspect of people's lives, then I'm sure one or two well placed PM's would be welcomed.

[Speedie Dived]

you have to accept blackburn has a large portion of narrow minded townybrains folloing them that you wouldnt give the time of day to normally, yet they come on sites like these spouting of there brainfarts and other idiots join in with there nonesense, Also it goes without saying that a lot of the anti venky brigade have other motivations to disrespect them at every chance.

Every Rovers fan i know off this board is genuinely worried about the club and are uneasy towards Venkys, not because of their race or religon, but because of their actions. I know people who work at the club/Brockhall who have similar worries. I am fortunate to know a few people who work within the game (not connected to Rovers) and they have nothing positive at the moment to say about our owners.

Put simply, all they have to do is talk to fans, invest their own money and 99% of fans will be on side. None of these things have happened.

[jim mk2]

I'm genuinely concerned at the damage that these fifth columnists are doing to my club.

Apologies if you don't like speculative stories and comment / analysis on that speculation but if you want to read "nice" stories perhaps you might like to buy Family Circle or Good Housekeeping ?

[67splitscreen]

you have to accept blackburn has a large portion of narrow minded townybrains folloing them that you wouldnt give the time of day to normally, yet they come on sites like these spouting of there brainfarts and other idiots join in with there nonesense, Also it goes without saying that a lot of the anti venky brigade have other motivations to disrespect them at every chance.

the irony.

[SouthAussieRover]

Are you writing the cheques for the lawyers?

If so you are going to be stunned by what will come out.

You seem to be suggesting that some sort of legal action has already occurred.

If you are afraid of revealing what will come out I'm guessing an injunction is preventing you and/or others from doing so.

In which case when is review of such an injunction scheduled to be heard?

[BuckyRover]

You seem to be suggesting that some sort of legal action has already occurred.

If you are afraid of revealing what will come out I'm guessing an injunction is preventing you and/or others from doing so.

In which case when is review of such an injunction scheduled to be heard?

An injunction can only be granted in the public interest. The public interest in knowing about Giggs' extra marital affairs is dubious, the public interest in fans of Blackburn Rovers knowing about the nefarious actions of the clubs foreign owners can not be in question.

No judge would allow an injunction that prevents such information coming out. It is in the public interest.

All those that have already left, some after decades of service to the club and community would rather take a couple of extra quid than let it be know all the awful things that are occurring.

If that's the case I don't respect the former hierarchy either.

[yoda]

An injunction can only be granted in the public interest. The public interest in knowing about Giggs' extra marital affairs is dubious, the public interest in fans of Blackburn Rovers knowing about the nefarious actions of the clubs foreign owners can not be in question.

No judge would allow an injunction that prevents such information coming out. It is in the public interest.

All those that have already left, some after decades of service to the club and community would rather take a couple of extra quid than let it be know all the awful things that are occurring.

If that's the case I don't respect the former hierarchy either.

Spot on, Allardyce saying what he did is continuing the problem, keeping quiet to make a buck

If there is something to be brought out and it is the truth then it should be out there, no judge or court would prosecute if it was the truth, its a no brainer, over philip and co!

[Mattyblue]

you have to accept blackburn has a large portion of narrow minded townybrains folloing them that you wouldnt give the time of day to normally, yet they come on sites like these spouting of there brainfarts and other idiots join in with there nonesense, Also it goes without saying that a lot of the anti venky brigade have other motivations to disrespect them at every chance.

Rovers fans are no different than any other fans, on or off the internet.

Go and have a read of other clubs message boards if you think tihs site is full of 'idiots'.

[Stuart]

Spot on, Allardyce saying what he did is continuing the problem, keeping quiet to make a buck

If there is something to be brought out and it is the truth then it should be out there, no judge or court would prosecute if it was the truth, its a no brainer, over philip and co!

Anyone who has signed a 'gagging order' would be in breach of contract if they put information in the public domain that they have agreed not to.

[SouthAussieRover]

I think you are mistaken with regards the granting of injunctions.

[yoda]

Anyone who has signed a 'gagging order' would be in breach of contract if they put information in the public domain that they have agreed not to.

yes I know, but they still drop snippets of info to people like philip who then post guarded comments on here.

Said it before and will again,

About time some people grew some ###### and spilled the beans

[SouthAussieRover]

At what cost to the administrators of this site?

[BuckyRover]

I think you are mistaken with regards the granting of injunctions.

"Rationale and reasons for injunctions

This injunctive power to restore the status quo ante; that is, to make whole again someone whose rights have been violated, is essential to the concept of fairness (equity). For example, money damages would be of scant benefit to a land owner who wished simply to prevent someone from repeatedly trespassing on his land."

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injunction)

Venky's applying for injunctions because their rights are being violated (by screwing up the club?).

Hmmm.

[Majiball]

"Rationale and reasons for injunctions

This injunctive power to restore the status quo ante; that is, to make whole again someone whose rights have been violated, is essential to the concept of fairness (equity). For example, money damages would be of scant benefit to a land owner who wished simply to prevent someone from repeatedly trespassing on his land."

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injunction)

Venky's applying for injunctions because their rights are being violated (by screwing up the club?).

Hmmm.

They have far more interests than Rovers don't they. And who's to say they are the only ones involved.

PS could you not find a better link than wiki?

[SouthAussieRover]

Hmm, there are different types of injunctions.

Time will tell...