[Archived] London riots

[philipl]

Funny aint it how the vast majority of people would advocate using extreme force and to hell with human rights and political correctness. And yet the tiny minority of do-gooders obsessed with that rubbish always seem to make themselves heard above anyone else. If the police get stuck into these yobs you can guarantee there'll be a host of left-leaning jackasses on the news criticising them.

Totally disagree.

We are not a tiny minority and we are not to be dismissed as "do-gooders".

[Tom]

I just worry what will happen should someone be killed in this, it could escalate even further.

Scumbags.

[koi]

Warning for Manchester:

Just spoke to my mate who is at GMP; Intelligence coming through that there's a planned attack in Manchester city centre tonight. All GMP front-line Police are off the streets today and will be in Manchester tonight, all front-line Police from all GMP areas are being called in tonight to cover the Manchester city area.

[jim mk2]

Typical trolling from Jim I see, pathetic especially when you consider the vast majority of these little thugs are the Blair generation - but I wouldn't lay the blame at either party this is a much bigger issue with greedy little thugs who couldn't give a toss about anyone other than themselves.

We have feral kids who know full well that they can get away with what they want. I'm quite happy to help and support those who want it but these rioters don't. Time to get tough and stop worrying about the ridiculous apologists that will be defending these louts and blaming anyone other than those ruining this country.

More pathetic is dismissing a post you disagree with as "trolling". I agree the police have to to crack down sharply on lawlessness but to dismiss the rioters as louts is wrong and glib there needs to be an honest reflection on the state of society and fix the real problems that led to this mess. Although the 1980s riots were essentially a protest against the police by the black community, the parallels with the 1980s are real and the feelings of deprivation, lack of opportunity and resentment in these communities cannot be ignored.

[Kelbo]

Speaking to a friend of mine who was in the Met for a good number of years, he says the worst thing that ever happened was to arrest the Kray twins, they never damaged people like you and us, they killed other criminals who attempted to take over their patch, they ran the underworld, the streets of London and anyone who interfered were killed, if they had still have been around, the drug Barons would have been 10 foot underground long ago and anyone trying to start this kind of trouble would also have been in the proverbial!!

[Mattyblue]

Totally disagree.

We are not a tiny minority and we are not to be dismissed as "do-gooders".

You are a minority, get in the provinces, the countryside, this 'human rights', 'tolerance' agenda is nowhere, the liberal elite are WAY out of touch.

[philipl]

You are a minority, get in the provinces, the countryside, this 'human rights', 'tolerance' agenda is nowhere, the liberal elite are WAY out of touch.

Rubbish.

Granted the bar propping know-alls make a lot of noise but if you look at yougov surveys you will see you are not correct.

[Mattyblue]

Rubbish phil.

not sure what polls are you referring to, but I could point to a You Gov poll that now has a majority who want a return to capital punishment. You can take what you want from polling.

As I dont particulary converse with bar propping know it alls, I wouldn't know about that, but if my place of work- which is almost all degree educated by the way- the general mood couldn't be further away from the liberal agenda.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Rubbish.

Granted the bar propping know-alls make a lot of noise but if you look at yougov surveys you will see you are not correct.

Actually we don't make a lot of noise, we tend to stay out of politics rather than filling in online opinion questionnaires (never heard of yougov), which is most likely exactly why the do-gooders have an overinflated voice in political matters. The only thing most people care about is getting on with their lives. Other people who disrupt, damage and ruin that are the only political concern they have and most people want it met with aggression and decisive force. The criminal justice system in this country has long been a total joke (manslaughter for stabbing someone 10 times, out in 15 years for murder, simple cautions for assault etc etc). And now thats being extended to the kid glove treatment of the total scum you see scurrying round London stealing and burning stuff. All most people require is that they're rounded up and locked in prison. Then the common sense silent majority of England will get on with their lives again and the politically correct lobby groups in London can go back to throwing their weight around undemocratically and dominating politics with their pointless community schemes and other rubbish.

[philipl]

‎"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society, with a large segment of people in that society, who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that they have nothing to lose. People who have a stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."

Martin Luther King Jr.

Being Liberal is about hard headed practicality. There are simply too many disaffected youths and far too many people involved in the drug economy for a "get tough" approach of the kind advocated to work. The logical end is a society like the USA where 1% of the population is in prison and young black youths are statistically more likely to be behind bars than in College. And still they have a far far worse crime record in the States than we have.

Robust liberlism is about doing something to engage with society. Not sitting on MBs calling for so-called tough responses.

[Plastic Head]

‎"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society, with a large segment of people in that society, who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that they have nothing to lose. People who have a stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."

Martin Luther King Jr.

Being Liberal is about hard headed practicality. There are simply too many disaffected youths and far too many people involved in the drug economy for a "get tough" approach of the kind advocated to work. The logical end is a society like the USA where 1% of the population is in prison and young black youths are statistically more likely to be behind bars than in College. And still they have a far far worse crime record in the States than we have.

Robust liberlism is about doing something to engage with society. Not sitting on MBs calling for so-called tough responses.

Hence we are where we are.

[broadsword]

Fine words no doubt, but right now pond-scum are fearlessly running around destroying and stealing property while the police cannot cope.

I'd like to see someone try to engage with them.

I came from an inner-city primary-school education that set me back 18 months ... I battled my way up the hard way and got on with life. I certainly didn't start putting shop windows in. Maybe if these kids made an effort to improve their lives they'd feel better about themselves and their place in society. But instead they take the easy way out.

[watty]

Forget water cannons, rubber bullets etc...get the heavy artillery out, am sure after 1or 2 casualties the toerags will get the message that were not messing around now and slink off back home.

[Gav]

More pathetic is dismissing a post you disagree with as "trolling". I agree the police have to to crack down sharply on lawlessness but to dismiss the rioters as louts is wrong and glib there needs to be an honest reflection on the state of society and fix the real problems that led to this mess. Although the 1980s riots were essentially a protest against the police by the black community, the parallels with the 1980s are real and the feelings of deprivation, lack of opportunity and resentment in these communities cannot be ignored.

So you're blaming the labour government for not addressing the issues after 12 years of power Jim?

These lot are scumbags, pure and simple, why the police don’t cave a few heads in is beyond me, they’d be right in there if it was football fans causing trouble. Strange how a police operation can keep thousands of Rovers and burnley fans apart, but they can’t stop these idiots smashing up their communities.

I certainly didn't start putting shop windows in. Maybe if these kids made an effort to improve their lives they'd feel better about themselves and their place in society. But instead they take the easy way out.

I saw adults on the news yesterday taking their kids to looted shops and trying the clothes on, and we expect the kids to behave themselves, scumbags.

[John]

They raided the charity shop down the road.

Until the early hours, I watched these sc*mbags walking around without a care in the world – big grins on their faces and high fiving, hugging each other as if it was a big celebration.

They could walk round, in groups, at ease as there was no one to stop them and they could literally do what they wanted.

[rebelmswar]

So do the liberal elite feel that we should just converse with these misguided little darlings with dirty faces and a misguided sense of political protest?

I will tell you this -

While you all waffle about higher principles and how everyone is good and we just need to engage them in debate, there are men in uniforms trying to hold back a tide of people who want your head. And we are getting mighty fed up of it. You do not understand how insulated from the real hate and unraveling that we all are.

Talk your enlighted talk and read your manifesto to the fire light of London burning.

When your capital is under seige from the dregs of society, you can still find ways to lay the blame elsewhere. Those dirt bags have never known real need in their lives.

I used to rake in skips when I was young, looking for copper, brass, and bottles to turn in for money. I used to find spectrum tapes and eight tracks and tape the snaps up and repair them and sell them for 20p. I remember being so hungry that when I finally ate something I threw it up, it was a Blue Ribbon that an old lady gave me from a tea room that I snuck into so I could get a drink from the sink in the public toilet.

I never once stole anything. You know why? Because I respected the law and I, even as a child, understood that to get anywhere in life you have to work.

You see my biological father was an alcoholic giro casher. Wouldn't keep a job, drink all his money away and lie stupid in our council house until his drink money was available again. I was left to my own devices.

I had the ability and the reason to be these degenerate scum. But I am not. You know why?

Personal ###### responsibility!

It may be harder but I tell you it is far far sweeter.

[PAFELL]

Dreadful, the violence and looting seems to turn some of them on and they glory in it.

We need short-term reactions, and longer term fixes.

Anyhow we have Cameron, Boris, Milliband and harriet back so we can all sleep safe tonight knowing the politicians are back in charge.

BROKEN BRITAIN, I can't wait to escape (but not anywhere near Waggy).

Totally agree.

[LeChuck]

Forget water cannons, rubber bullets etc...get the heavy artillery out, am sure after 1or 2 casualties the toerags will get the message that were not messing around now and slink off back home.

I'm all for as much as force as possible, it's disgusting.

This contigent of chavs/scallies with no morals has been festering for years. Perhaps it shouldn't be a surprise that this has happened, hopefully we can start moving towards eradicating this element from our society.

I have no idea how you start though. Careless parents are to blame 99% of the time. If they don't give a ###### then what do you do?

[Mattyblue]

John in London writes:

I am a school teacher in south London and I am saddened and appalled by the level of violence being committed by my brothers, young black men. They need to find a voice, a leader, a moral compass. Parents and grandparents may have suffered, but today they have and will have opportunities.

These are immoral thugs el tombro, pure and simple. They have money, they have a home, access to education, technology, welfare, healthcare. They are not 'in poverty'.

[rebelmswar]

With you 100% on this. This problem could easily recur and cost more money to resolve than to prevent. Yes, the police need step in and stop this right now with force but ignoring the problem of criminal behaviour in impoverished areas is neglectful. The problem needs to be fixed long term. Opportunities need to be opened up to poorer people. And I've been called "wet" for saying that. But then again, the person who said it is stuck in the seventies anyway.

How can a person be poor when the have a bloody cell phone and any article of clothing with a name brand?

If you are poor and want to get ahead, it is possible without turning to violence and arson. If you just want to eat why the hell are you running off with a TV and if you are just hungry why would you burn the bloody shop down?

These darling are not just poor and hungry. People and our gentle society have made them into what they are - human piranhas with an insatiable appetite for consumer goods.

Look at Sudan, Rwanda, that is hunger and poverty. Drop these @#/?s there and they would resort to cannibalism.

These people are filth, pure and simple, zero respect, zero belief in society, and worth less than a cartridge that would end their miserable and wholly unproductive existence.

[Gav]

With you 100% on this. This problem could easily recur and cost more money to resolve than to prevent. Yes, the police need step in and stop this right now with force but ignoring the problem of criminal behaviour in impoverished areas is neglectful. The problem needs to be fixed long term. Opportunities need to be opened up to poorer people. And I've been called "wet" for saying that. But then again, the person who said it is stuck in the seventies anyway.

Are these the same poor people that are marching round with Blackberry smartphones, £100 trainers and £500 jackets

They're scumbags Tombro, opportunists, they’re not poor people they’re criminals.

How can a person be poor when the have a bloody cell phone and any article of clothing with a name brand?

If you are poor and want to get ahead, it is possible without turning to violence and arson. If you just want to eat why the hell are you running off with a TV and if you are just hungry why would you burn the bloody shop down?

These darling are not just poor and hungry. People and our gentle society have made them into what they are - human piranhas with an insatiable appetite for consumer goods.

Look at Sudan, Rwanda, that is hunger and poverty. Drop these @#/?s there and they would resort to cannibalism.

These people are filth, pure and simple, zero respect, zero belief in society, and worth less than a cartridge that would end their miserable and wholly unproductive existence.

Spot on

[rebelmswar]

I'm used to being in a minority on here when it comes to things like this but I have no shame in believing that there must be a reason why they are the way they are and that there is a potential fix that only society and government can provide to these communities. When you deal with hopeless people, they have to be spoon fed hope and opportunity. More education in these areas would help prevent this kind of thing...

If I had the opportunities that these mistreated young gems had when I was a lad, like the internet, eBay, our throw away society, cell phones, I would have had a thriving Internet export business selling "English Antiques" to the US stay at home shopper crowd, selling everything with free shipping but marking the Buy it Now price waaaay up.

Apparently there are people already gathering and being arrested in St. Peter's Square, Manchester. Avoid the city centre if you can, folks.

By your logic, people should be perfectly safe mingling with these people right? Dont look to the police either, they are the baaaad ones.

Probably the hungry down trodden darlings are just trying to catch some pigeons for their lunch, poor starving waifs.

[Tom]

Hope people showing off like this get whats coming

"Gonna go rioting maybe wid da BF"

http://twitter.com/#!/itsBARBZbabes/status/100648510361313280

"ma bf got meh a new tracksuit from JD today <3 WHOPPING FOR THE RIOTERS"

http://twitter.com/#!/itsBARBZbabes/status/100648364143681536

"Got tones of stuff todayyyyy!!!!! #LondonRiots whop whop"

http://twitter.com/#!/itsBARBZbabes/status/100671547399872512

[John]

Lot of chat going round that they are going to target Clapham Junction again tonight....

[rebelmswar]

Hope people showing off like this get whats coming

"Gonna go rioting maybe wid da BF"

http://twitter.com/#!/itsBARBZbabes/status/100648510361313280

"ma bf got meh a new tracksuit from JD today <3 WHOPPING FOR THE RIOTERS"

http://twitter.com/#!/itsBARBZbabes/status/100648364143681536

"Got tones of stuff todayyyyy!!!!! #LondonRiots whop whop"

http://twitter.com/#!/itsBARBZbabes/status/100671547399872512

Thats the most undernourished, broke, woman I have ever seen.

Wonder who she borrowed the electronic device from to post that?