[Archived] Steve Kean Drink Driving Poll - Sack or Back ?

[roverwhelmed]

if an e petition is started, when it gets 100k sigs' it gets debated in parliament!

I was thinking that the other day...haha, we should do it!

[mjwood00]

Technically a backbench committee meet first to decide whether or not the e-petition is to be discussed by the House. Am sure Jack Straw would make his voice heard though.

[philipl]

When Kean got arrested for drunk driving, the story about Givet being in dispute hit the papers the next day just as there was a storm building over the Kean's future.

It turned out the Givet issue had been live for weeks but Jerome Anderson had planted the story to come out that day to protect his client.

I just wonder if this two hours of excitement over Raul is another Jerome Anderson plant designed to deflect the heat from Kean?

[pick32]

He needs to go as soon as we can line up a replacement, He cant even manage to stay under legal drinking limit never mind manage a premiership team. As long as this clown is involved no respected player like Raul will sign for us.

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

Let's sack Kean now. Hire Hughes and we can sack him by christmas. Then why not spend 10m on a 5 year contract for Carlo Ancelotti, and then pay him off after 5 months..

Get a grip folks. Like it or not, sacking Steve now will have nothing but an adverse effect. Results are obtained through hardwork and consistency, and confidence will be destroyed at the club if the axe swings again so soon. Sacking a manager who has his players actually working for him is suicidal. IF, in a few months we are in trouble, and the players don't even want to play for him (ala Juande Ramos and Paul Ince to name but a few), then will be the time to have this discussion.

Say what you will, anybody who believes the answer is; wait all summer, lose one game after having no defensive midfielders/only 2 actual defenders in the entire 11.. (one of those 35+ and the other young scottish lad who lacks experience) - and THEN sack him... Mindless fools.

The drink driving ban is completely irrellevant to the "Sack Steve Kean" discussion also. He should know better, but I think £1800 and 18 months on the Hyndburn Circular is enough of a penalty. I don't remember you guys calling for El Hadji Diouf, Brett Emerton and Chris Samba to be fined a months wages after being caught speeding (which is, if not more serious than drink driving in my opinion)

[yoda]

Let's sack Kean now. Hire Hughes and we can sack him by christmas. Then why not spend 10m on a 5 year contract for Carlo Ancelotti, and then pay him off after 5 months..

Get a grip folks. Like it or not, sacking Steve now will have nothing but an adverse effect. Results are obtained through hardwork and consistency, and confidence will be destroyed at the club if the axe swings again so soon. Sacking a manager who has his players actually working for him is suicidal. IF, in a few months we are in trouble, and the players don't even want to play for him (ala Juande Ramos and Paul Ince to name but a few), then will be the time to have this discussion.

Say what you will, anybody who believes the answer is; wait all summer, lose one game after having no defensive midfielders/only 2 actual defenders in the entire 11.. (one of those 35+ and the other young scottish lad who lacks experience) - and THEN sack him... Mindless fools.

The drink driving ban is completely irrellevant to the "Sack Steve Kean" discussion also. He should know better, but I think £1800 and 18 months on the Hyndburn Circular is enough of a penalty. I don't remember you guys calling for El Hadji Diouf, Brett Emerton and Chris Samba to be fined a months wages after being caught speeding (which is, if not more serious than drink driving in my opinion)

You might be right,

sack the venky's instead

[Wiggy]

I don't remember you guys calling for El Hadji Diouf, Brett Emerton and Chris Samba to be fined a months wages after being caught speeding (which is, if not more serious than drink driving in my opinion)

The fact that he was driving at 20 mph over the speed limit whilst also using his phone rather negates your argument.

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

The fact that he was driving at 20 mph over the speed limit whilst also using his phone rather negates your argument.

Not really, but I'll let you have your medal in pedantics!

I'm not pro venkies, I'm not Steve Keans biggest fan. But surely it would be suicidal to our team, and you can guarantee a few transfer requests would be slapped in instantly, including Samba's..

[Billy Castell]

As opposed to everyone bar Roberts going in January or next season when Kean completely screws up the season.

[tony gale's mic]

Let's sack Kean now. Hire Hughes and we can sack him by christmas. Then why not spend 10m on a 5 year contract for Carlo Ancelotti, and then pay him off after 5 months..

Get a grip folks. Like it or not, sacking Steve now will have nothing but an adverse effect. Results are obtained through hardwork and consistency, and confidence will be destroyed at the club if the axe swings again so soon. Sacking a manager who has his players actually working for him is suicidal. IF, in a few months we are in trouble, and the players don't even want to play for him (ala Juande Ramos and Paul Ince to name but a few), then will be the time to have this discussion.

Say what you will, anybody who believes the answer is; wait all summer, lose one game after having no defensive midfielders/only 2 actual defenders in the entire 11.. (one of those 35+ and the other young scottish lad who lacks experience) - and THEN sack him... Mindless fools.

The drink driving ban is completely irrellevant to the "Sack Steve Kean" discussion also. He should know better, but I think £1800 and 18 months on the Hyndburn Circular is enough of a penalty. I don't remember you guys calling for El Hadji Diouf, Brett Emerton and Chris Samba to be fined a months wages after being caught speeding (which is, if not more serious than drink driving in my opinion)

Rubbish.

People should stop reading that post after you compare the idea of sacking Steve Kean to the idea of sacking Mark Hughes or Carlo Ancelotti.

They're both proven performers at this level.

Kean's sum total is 22 points from 22 games.

And considering Kean was drink driving AND speeding at the same time, it sort of negates any argument you have about the other players doing something comparable. And not only did he drink drive and speed, more importantly he tried to fabricate some story. That was the worst bit.

It's not just this game gone by, and that "one game" was at whole to the

[Brfcrule1]

The artist you say we were not calling for EHD,Samba,Emo that is totally different when they were caught they did not try squirming out of it the fact he tried justifying his actions means he needs to go. Also for those saying he should not get the bullet are wrong the fact he tried blaming innocent blackburn rovers fans to save his own skin is just cowardly and ask yourself what if you were one of the fans he tried to accuse of laceing his drink would you be so forgiving?. By the way I am in the process of drawing up a petition I hope most people on here sign it even my Mum & Dad will sign it and my dad is a Man U fan even they agree his actions are reckless and he needs to be severely punished. Don't worry I have also emailed Jack Straw MP about the problems down at ewood and am awaiting a response hopefully he will also sign the petition. Another thing why have they taken Jack Straw's name from the website who's who so far as I can see he is still a vice president just seems strange how much Venkys are changing things around.

[waggy]

now there is a full scale witch hunt against kean,but you forget VENKYS are the evil ones,and most of you clowns welcomed them aboard,you reap what you sow in this life.

[Mr. E]

Getting fined should not be enough to sack a manager.

Losing 2-1 to Wolves at home - you're off, mate.

[Guest Rovers4Good]

Of course they should get rid of him but only because he's a sh7te manager and let's be honest anyone who changes his mind from not guilty to having his drink spiked is a good enough reason to get shot of him for being a fa**ot.

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

I seriously don't understand how anybody could say we will benefit from sacking our manager right now. End of the last season, Maybe..

I'm not going to argue what SK has done. I even offered the fact that I thought the criminal punishment was unrelated to the debate of whether he should stay or go, yet you still use that as a an attempt to belittle my opinion, rather than actually commenting on the main point I made.

Once again... I seriously don't understand how anybody could say we will benefit from sacking our manager right now.. Someone please explain to me how we will benefit from it? The Venks are already proven skin-flints... we would most likely just end up with John Jensen as manager "for life".

[adsfortheblues]

Kean has now been manager for 23 premier league games record as follows:

Played - 23, Won - 5, Drawn - 7, Lost - 11

For - 27 goals, Against - 37 goals -10 difference

Points - 22

Allardyce had accumalated this amount of points after 17 games and in my opinion Steve Kean had easier games, i say this because we had the likes of Blackpool, WBA, Newcastle, Birmingham and West Ham all at home under Kean and we won just 1 against WBA.

Looking at last season if after 23 games we had accumalated just 22 points we would be in 16th position, 1 point above 19th position and just 2 points of bottom place.

I think this in itself tells the story (not a fantasy but factual) that we will be relegated if this fella remains.

[Mattyblue]

As a man I think very little of the bloke, however I am only interested his (managerial) record.

What it comes down to is we have 0 points- do you feel that he can get us 40 in the next 37 games?

I just cannot see it- therefore he should not be manager.

[otto man]

I seriously don't understand how anybody could say we will benefit from sacking our manager right now. End of the last season, Maybe..

I'm not going to argue what SK has done. I even offered the fact that I thought the criminal punishment was unrelated to the debate of whether he should stay or go, yet you still use that as a an attempt to belittle my opinion, rather than actually commenting on the main point I made.

Once again... I seriously don't understand how anybody could say we will benefit from sacking our manager right now.. Someone please explain to me how we will benefit from it? The Venks are already proven skin-flints... we would most likely just end up with John Jensen as manager "for life".

Really mate you can't reason with rentamob. They've got the rope, built the gallows and now they're ready for a Lynching!

[thenodrog]

now there is a full scale witch hunt against kean,but you forget VENKYS are the evil ones,and most of you clowns welcomed them aboard,you reap what you sow in this life.

As opposed to the witch hunt which you did your best to initiate against Allardyce and the old guard back in the good old days eh waggy? I'm sure that you now can see the error of your ways although I doubt you will admit it.

4-4-2 and open attacking football with sub standard players is a complete non starter in any division. In the Premier League it is suicide. Hate to say I told you so... but I told you so.

Really mate you can't reason with rentamob. They've got the rope, built the gallows and now they're ready for a Lynching!

Forget the drink driving side show you are a supporter of his tenure as manager I take it? If my assumption is correct can you explain how and why you are?

[otto man]

As opposed to the witch hunt which you did your best to initiate against Allardyce and the old guard back in the good old days eh waggy? I'm sure that you now can see the error of your ways although I doubt you will admit it.

4-4-2 and open attacking football with sub standard players is a complete non starter in any division. In the Premier League it is suicide. Hate to say I told you so... but I told you so.

Forget the drink driving side show you are a supporter of his tenure as manager I take it? If my assumption is correct can you explain how and why you are?

As this whole thread is about his DUI how can we forget it? To do so would be to miss the point entirely. Sack him for his lack of results by all means, but adopt the moral high ground and demand his dismissal for an event outside of work as far as I'm concerned stinks of hypocrisy. "Let he who is without sin" and all that eh Gord? or are you just another one of those "Blameless" hypocrites?

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

You don't have to support Steve Kean at the end of the day. It's about the team. If he fails after a fair crack of the whip, then "do an old' yeller" - Statistics against Steve could be negated(word of the day) by the fact the team was in dissaray thanks to the previous swinging of the Venkys axe.

From what I have seen, without looking through the statistics, I believe we will finish above Wolves this season. We have better players, simples. I have a lot of confidence in the likes of Rochina, Hoilett, Olsson, Goodwillie etc. If we had at least one more CB for that game, we would be sitting on 3 points right now.

I can imagine the amount of people coughing up their hobnobs reading this, but to even use saturdays game as an example is folly. So here I go again then, what did I see against Wolves that I haven't seen in a blue and white shirt for sometime? a player with a level of technical ability that can change a game - Formica.

Who signed this player? lest we forget the type of player Big Sam brought to the club? I spent 18 months trying to talk half of Blackburn into accepting Big Sam for his style, because it guaranteed points... Now we have a manager who is prepared to utilise "a more pleasing on the eye type of football" and the other half of Blackburn is in uproar.

It's like living in a Monty Python sketch...

[Paul]

As this whole thread is about his DUI how can we forget it? To do so would be to miss the point entirely. Sack him for his lack of results by all means, but adopt the moral high ground and demand his dismissal for an event outside of work as far as I'm concerned stinks of hypocrisy. "Let he who is without sin" and all that eh Gord? or are you just another one of those "Blameless" hypocrites?

You're quite right about this as is the poster who mentioned rent-a-mob. I'm truely disgusted by the witch hunt that is taking place here. Yes Steve Kean is a crap manager, yes his behaviour is inexcusable over the DD incident but the posting in this thread is by and large appalling. God knows why it was even started when we have a perfectly good SK thread as it is.

SK being sacked for footballing reasons is an excellent debate. All this moral outrage regarding the DD issue is completely out of order. Yes he deserves everything that comes his way from DUI but it is NOT a sackable offence unless specifically referred to in his contract of employment.....but don't let that stop the lynching

I've lost count of the number of times I've read fans discussing the great time they've had getting p1ssed up at the football. I'm sure none of those people drove afterwards. P1ssed up suporters at football matches really irritate me BTW. I watched some YouTube stuff of people in Wolverhampton pubs - I hope none of that lot are taking the moral highground here. I'm sure no one on here has driven the morning after a good session or just gone slightly over the limit.

Apologies if I sound angry over this, it's directed at no one in particular but I feel the majority have got this wrong. This thread should never have been started, the poll question is badly flawed and the thread should be closed.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

My worry is that sacking Kean won't make any difference. Venkys have already shown they don't want a manager who makes his own decisions and imposes his personality on a club when they sacked Sam. What we need right now is an experienced manager to grab hold of the whole thing and sort it out, will Venkys allow that? I wouldn't be particularly surprised if sacking Kean landed us with John Jensen.

And even if Venkys didn't demand another yes man and let a new manager do his own thing, that manager would still have to work under the mess that Venkys have made of the club so far. He'd have no chairman, no MD, would have to travel halfway round the world to meet the owners every few weeks. He'd also have to put up with this bizarre transfer policy which so far seems to consist of continuing to sell our best players and buying mediocre unknowns.

And then there's the chances of a half-decent manager actually coming in the first place. We're currently a laughing stock, widely predicted for relegation, with owners building a reputation for being unpredictable and difficult to work with. Who in their right mind would take this job if it wasn't a big step up for them?

[ABBEY]

I see the "intelligent " dingle carlisles been done for drink driving now!

[Majiball]

I see the "intelligent " dingle carlisles been done for drink driving now!

Shocking his lawyer couldn't solve that conundrum.