[Archived] KEAN OUT!

[chris]

This guy just asked Kean if with his new signings Blackburn can make the top six

[JoeBlueWhite]

See Venky's even time-traveling aliens know Kean is not up for the job.

[Mullionvagrant]

If it is your opinion don't enforce it as fact. I have in no way enforced this as fact. i was at great pains to write at the bottom of my post that this was my opinion, and that others would hold different views. that is what being in a society that promotes freedom of speech is all about. I am vocal about these views i hold because i passionately believe that as a fan our duty is to get behind the players and they have recently gone on record to ask us to get off the case of the manager. I am worried that there are too many fans on here that believe that to shout down and belittle anyone who does not get on the bandwagon to openly criticise Kean is acceptable. I hold views about his style and the current ownership of rovers but i will keep those to myself because i don't beleive NOW is a suitable time to share them. That is my beleif it is not yours and you like me are entitle to voice your opinion. That is what this board is about if is a forum for discussion. i am sorry but i was offened by your post we all care deeply about our club and we are all individauls who have are own thougts and these should be respected.

[den]

Don't do, nor believe in, violence. I do have a loud voice and access to a photocopier.

I can vouch for the voice.

Strange how such a nice chap can be so loud.

[Mc Love]

I have in no way enforced this as fact. i was at great pains to write at the bottom of my post that this was my opinion, and that others would hold different views. that is what being in a society that promotes freedom of speech is all about. I am vocal about these views i hold because i passionately believe that as a fan our duty is to get behind the players and they have recently gone on record to ask us to get off the case of the manager. I am worried that there are too many fans on here that believe that to shout down and belittle anyone who does not get on the bandwagon to openly criticise Kean. I hold views about his style and the ownership of kean but i will keep those to myself because i don't beleive NOW is a suitable time to share them. That is my beleif it is not yours and you like me are entitle to voice your opinion. That is what this board is about if is a forum for discussion. i am sorry but i was offened by your post we all care deeply about our club and we are all individauls who have are own thougts and these should be respected.

Do you not see? Rovers fans are not against the team or the club, they are against the useless oaf, the worst manager in our history it has to be said. We can all see where we are headed, fan pressure and bad results and kean will be gone. Hopefully Venkys get a proven man in to do the job. That is when they have our backing. When the players see that fans no longer back the manager (apart from Roberts) they will be up in arms and the owners will be left with little or no choice

[m0r94n]

I have in no way enforced this as fact. i was at great pains to write at the bottom of my post that this was my opinion, and that others would hold different views. that is what being in a society that promotes freedom of speech is all about. I am vocal about these views i hold because i passionately believe that as a fan our duty is to get behind the players and they have recently gone on record to ask us to get off the case of the manager. I am worried that there are too many fans on here that believe that to shout down and belittle anyone who does not get on the bandwagon to openly criticise Kean is acceptable. I hold views about his style and the ownership of kean but i will keep those to myself because i don't beleive NOW is a suitable time to share them. That is my beleif it is not yours and you like me are entitle to voice your opinion. That is what this board is about if is a forum for discussion. i am sorry but i was offened by your post we all care deeply about our club and we are all individauls who have are own thougts and these should be respected.

Portions of your post came across as a "this will happen" scenario. Statements such as "towards the end of last season had the team playing together well and o.k fighting for survival" are utter tosh really, there is a difference between attacking play and all round play. We were extremely lacking during most of the games after Christmas and had no plan B.

Your opening line of "well if you want the whole world to be aware that Blackburn is a club in crisis and players should leave or not join the club then by all means protest in public and tell the world" is another example of the "this will happen if we do/do not do x". I appreciate your view point, do not get me wrong but I just disagreed with some of the ways in which you put your argument across.

In regards to players speaking up for the manager, have I missed something other than Big Jase spouting his usual rubbish on Twitter?

[Ossydave]

I agree Zac, like you say team spirit is not the problem.

I'll 3rd this, the players love the guy. However, there will come a time when one of the more senior players stands up and has a go at Kean about his tactics. As for the protest nonsense, nothing significant will happen.

[True Blue & White]

Ever heard the phrase "Don't air your dirty washing in public" well if you want the whole world to be aware that Blackburn is a club in crisis and players should leave or not join the club then by all means protest in public and tell the world. If however you actually want the club to move forward in this transfer window it might be more astute to cheer the team and by team i mean manager as well and show potential new signings and the world that we are a small club in lancashire with big ambitions and a sense of pride not a bunch of moaners. Just a thought but i don't think anything is to be achieved by not showing a united front. IF Kean is not up to the job and it is still an if after only two games this season. Transfers/signings are still to be made to replace the deadwood that has long been at the club and sapped funds. In a few weeks it will be revealed if Kean is not up to the job true enough. Kean towards the end of last season had the team playing together well and o.k fighting for survival but for once in a long while i felet positve about his direction of play in fact i'd rather see the style of football he aims for anyday that the durge that sam instilled. we weren't respected for the way we played under sam we were hard to beat but it reminded me of the boring boring arsenal chants of old. Anyway all i'm saying is think long and hard before todays game at the message you want the world to see about our club in the lead up to the next week and the transfer window. Think for yourselves over this one don't just listen to a vocal few. This is MY Opinion i'm sure others will have different views and i'm sure others will share some of my sentiments and thoughts too. what i am sure though is that everyone of you will get behind the players and want our team to succeed today and have a good cup run.

Ever heard the phrase "I can't help if you don't tell me"? Venky's have been able to back Kean so far because they've seen little discontent from the fans, it's much harder to back him in the face of booing and banners at every game. Unlike some on here I don't think the Raos read these boards or even most of the English press and are for the most part in their own bubble unaware of the fan's feelings.

It's all very well saying protesting now will put potential signings off, OK so we hold off until September then what? People like you will say don't boo now you'll put the new signings off and they won't flourish. Then before long you'll be saying don't boo cause you'll put off potential January signings and by the time you run out of excuses why we shouldn't protest, it'll be too late.

[Mullionvagrant]

Portions of your post came across as a "this will happen" scenario. Statements such as "towards the end of last season had the team playing together well and o.k fighting for survival" are utter tosh really, there is a difference between attacking play and all round play. We were extremely lacking during most of the games after Christmas and had no plan B.

Your opening line of "well if you want the whole world to be aware that Blackburn is a club in crisis and players should leave or not join the club then by all means protest in public and tell the world" is another example of the "this will happen if we do/do not do x". I appreciate your view point, do not get me wrong but I just disagreed with some of the ways in which you put your argument across.

In regards to players speaking up for the manager, have I missed something other than Big Jase spouting his usual rubbish on Twitter?

But it's o.k for people to write as fact that if we do not try and oust Kean out then rovers are doomed-right? I am merely offering a different view. i would much prefer dalglish, hughes or souness in charge but right now going into the transfer window we have Kean. If results continue in the vain that they are after the transfer window and kean has had a chance to stamp his mark then the dynamics of football suggest we will no longer have Kean. However if results improve he will keep his job. I have not offered my views on Kean as a manager or Venky's as owners i expect i hold most of your concerns but right now we have players to keep and players to attreact and i beleive it is the wrong time to exercise these views. sorry we aren't going to agree on this one i won't post any more of my views in this thread for fear of being seen to have an individual opinion.

[Kelbo]

Kean “I’ve got the support of the owners 100 per cent. I’ve spent lots of hours over with them over the last six months and any time I’ve asked for a player they have backed me 100 per cent. "I've felt nothing but 100 per cent support.”

So, Pavone got sent packing and Kean was upset about that as Venkys wouldnt take him due to the Kentaro issue!

Someones telling porkies, again!

[Mattyblue]

I'll 3rd this, the players love the guy. However, there will come a time when one of the more senior players stands up and has a go at Kean about his tactics. As for the protest nonsense, nothing significant will happen.

It's certianly not 'nonsense', but I just cannot see it getting off the ground.

[Gav]

I'll 3rd this, the players love the guy. However, there will come a time when one of the more senior players stands up and has a go at Kean about his tactics. As for the protest nonsense, nothing significant will happen.

Agreed.

[m0r94n]

But it's o.k for people to write as fact that if we do not try and oust Kean out then rovers are doomed-right? I am merely offering a different view. i would much prefer dalglish, hughes or souness in charge but right now going into the transfer window we have Kean. If results continue in the vain that they are after the transfer window and kean has had a chance to stamp his mark then the dynamics of football suggest we will no longer have Kean. However if results improve he will keep his job. I have not offered my views on Kean as a manager or Venky's as owners i expect i hold most of your concerns but right now we have players to keep and players to attreact and i beleive it is the wrong time to exercise these views. sorry we aren't going to agree on this one i won't post any more of my views in this thread for fear of being seen to have an individual opinion.

So Keans time in the job so far has been what exactly? At least people saying Kean will take us down further are backing up their points with facts, our results since he took charge. It is a different view and as I said, you have a valid point however a lot of the reasons and facts are not nice viewing. if we continue in this form up until Christmas we will be doomed to relegation. I would much rather take a stand now and attempt to enforce change than hope for the best. it could go sour either way but at least I will know I've tried.

We aren't going to agree no, but there is no need for petulance.

[Brfcrule1]

From what I understand Kean is saying the players he wants & Vineeth is doing the negotiations as most of our new signings are not kentaro clients Matty it is probably good Vineeth is doing the negotiations if he did that side of things he would probably go over the odds to land his targets.

[Mattyblue]

We've gone from John Williams to Vineeth Rao, says it all really.

[Jimmy612]

However, there will come a time when one of the more senior players stands up and has a go at Kean about his tactics. As for the protest nonsense, nothing significant will happen.

Already happened... Don't you remember the second half against Blackpool last season. We reverted to Allardyce tactics and looked far better because of it. Rumours are Samba took the team talk!

Kean hasn't a bloody clue what he's doing. We have arguably the weakest squad and certainly strike force in the PL and the thick sod still insists on playing 4-4-2. He is tactically inept and is completely out thought by most managers he comes up against. I think even Megson has a chance of out thinking him tonight!

With regards to the players loving him? It is not the managers role to be loved. It is the managers role to be respected and in some ways feared. Kean is loved as a mate to the players, great for a coaching role. A manager must be a little more distanced.

Kidd, Harford, Mclaren, Sammy Lee... all good coaches and assistant managers, but all struggle to make the step up to management.

Steve Kean will take us down. If he is sacked who will replace him? No real manager will let Venkys take the p*ss like they are with Kean. Serious trouble

[beerwins]

I'll 3rd this, the players love the guy. However, there will come a time when one of the more senior players stands up and has a go at Kean about his tactics. As for the protest nonsense, nothing significant will happen.

I'll agree with that, the players may like guy but that's just not enough, they like him because he is nicey nicey and that does'nt win football matches because when the chips go down and effort rate slips they need to be rollocked.

The players like him because he is one of the guys and enjoys a laugh and trains them the way they want to be trained, what happens if we go 2 down as we did at villa due to the players not pulling their weight? I can tell you this if you change your way and start ripping them to shreds they will not respect you.

I know its not the same but when i was younger I used to work in a factory where people got promoted from normal worker to be supervisors the other workers would never respect them and when orders had to be completed the workers would drag their heels on purpose, Steve Kean was one of the lads, someone to have the crack with when training, he was a coach and is still seen as one by the players THAT is the problem, he is not an authoritive figure.

[Gav]

We've gone from John Williams to Vineeth Rao, says it all really.

I bet Vineeth won't be offering deals like the one Keith Andrews got

[Mattyblue]

Another dig at Williams, by the way are you going to elaborate on the 'things have emerged that don't cast JW in a good light' line you keep stating?

[John]

Jeez Gav, you really do bear a grudge, mention it quite a lot - please enlighten us all?

[Fowl Play]

This thread has inspired me to register and stick in my two penneth!

I totally, utterly and absolutely agree that Kean, and eventually Venkys themselves, must go for the good of our once proud and universally respected club - IMO, there is no longer a serious debate to be had on this front.

That said, however, I do genuinely think that it would be in the best interests of the club if we show some restraint as regards protests, etc, until at least this time next week when the window is about to close. There are still players we might be able to sign but perhaps more importantly, players we really need to try and keep, particularly Hoilett & Samba. For me, these 2 were the difference in us staying up last season. Most of the business in any transfer window is done in the last few days and if the protests start now (despite being entirely justified), it might just tip them more towards the exit door. The squad is already ridiculously thin in terms of numbers and quality and losing these 2 would almost certainly be fatal.

We can have Kean's head on a pike from 01/09 onwards. Even Venkys will have to come to understand that we, the genuine fans, are the true 'owners' of the club - they are just custodians holding the keys. When the fans of any club turn as one on a manager, it is not a question of if he goes, but just when. IMO there is no question that we will win the battle to oust Kean, but then the long-term real war to force Venkys out will start in earnest.

Just my opinion but I think that a little patience now may possibly go a long way to helping whoever does eventually come to maintain our top-flight status.

'Forever Blackburn'

[Gav]

Another dig at Williams, by the way are you going to elaborate on the 'things have emerged that don't cast JW in a good light' line you keep stating?

So you think the Andrews deal was a good deal then?

I don't keep stating anything, I mentioned it once.

Jeez Gav, you really do bear a grudge, mention it quite a lot - please enlighten us all?

What are you talking about John? bear a grudge? against who? John Williams

[OJRovers]

In fairness Kean hasn't had key players available in the first two games.

However, my opinion is that he should be sack now because:

- He had players fit last season and we showed relegation form under him

- He is a complete liar and every interview he gives he only says what the owners want to hear

- He doesn't care or respect the fans. This can be seen in the ridiculous interviews and trying to blame a fan for spiking his drink. Calling one a doughnut and also setting up the most staged Fan's Questions ever on Radio Lancs last year.

- He can't attract players, even with funds available.

- He is a joke in the national media

We've got a reasonable squad, all it will take is a bit of leadership and organisation from an experienced manager to get us mid-table.

[Mattyblue]

So you think the Andrews deal was a good deal then?

I don't keep stating anything, I mentioned it once.

What are you talking about John? bear a grudge? against who? John Williams

Signing Andrews was wrong, giving him a new contact was wrong.

Now, I see you've avoided the issue again, why has JW 'been painted in a bad light'.

[barry_]

This thread has inspired me to register and stick in my two penneth!

I totally, utterly and absolutely agree that Kean, and eventually Venkys themselves, must go for the good of our once proud and universally respected club - IMO, there is no longer a serious debate to be had on this front.

That said, however, I do genuinely think that it would be in the best interests of the club if we show some restraint as regards protests, etc, until at least this time next week when the window is about to close. There are still players we might be able to sign but perhaps more importantly, players we really need to try and keep, particularly Hoilett & Samba. For me, these 2 were the difference in us staying up last season. Most of the business in any transfer window is done in the last few days and if the protests start now (despite being entirely justified), it might just tip them more towards the exit door. The squad is already ridiculously thin in terms of numbers and quality and losing these 2 would almost certainly be fatal.

We can have Kean's head on a pike from 01/09 onwards. Even Venkys will have to come to understand that we, the genuine fans, are the true 'owners' of the club - they are just custodians holding the keys. When the fans of any club turn as one on a manager, it is not a question of if he goes, but just when. IMO there is no question that we will win the battle to oust Kean, but then the long-term real war to force Venkys out will start in earnest.

Just my opinion but I think that a little patience now may possibly go a long way to helping whoever does eventually come to maintain our top-flight status.

'Forever Blackburn'

a well measured post but I think that the time for restraint has passed for many