[Archived] Rovers v Everton

[thenodrog]

Can we stop moaning about the ref for once. Go on the Everton boards, they think he was totally against them.

So presumably you think their penalty was valid?

[Andy]

Played 3 lost 3, bottom of the league null points, and I don't care if you think I am stealing your oxygen, god knows you need enough of it,

The plain fact is we are stuffed with Kean (ie Kentaro) and the Rao's in charge

Agree with this.

People can try to make all the excuses in the world for Kean, but the plain facts are:

Played 3, lost 3.

And that's just this season. Over the last 9 months the weasel has taken us to our worst league run in over 60 years and if/when we're beaten at Fulham, it will be our worst run of results in the club's history.

That is not bad luck and if some people genuinely fail to see the reasons why over 90% of fans want him out now, then I'm sorry but it is them who are quite clearly the 'morons'.

[yoda]

yoda, on 28 August 2011 - 12:05 PM, said:

Played 3 lost 3, bottom of the league null points, and I don't care if you think I am stealing your oxygen, god knows you need enough of it,

The plain fact is we are stuffed with Kean (ie Kentaro) and the Rao's in charge

This.

You can try to make all the excuses in the world for Kean, but the plain facts are:

Played 3, lost 3.

And that's just this season. Over the last 9 months the weasel has taken us to our worst league run in over 60 years and if/when we're beaten at Fulham, it will be our worst run of results in the club's history.

That is not bad luck and if you genuinely fail to see the reasons why over 90% of fans want him out now, then I'm sorry but you are quite clearly the 'moron'.

eh!

[roverandout]

braddock, i dont care what you think, yes he deserved what he got, from where i was sitting in, in the blackburn end, there was enough booing for him, that you must have heard it, i booed him to because hes awful, kean is to blame for the result as he didnt bring in the quality strikers, we desperately needed that would have made the difference, he keeps playing that plodder up front and he does absolutely frig all, all game but moan at the referee and his teammates.

[thenodrog]

One puzzling thing from today when we were awarded 2 penalties as kean said yes Dunn & Pederson had gone off injured why then did the younger players take both penalties

Exceptional talent that he is it's clear that Hoilett has not been coached in the art of penalty taking. Lampard and Arteta showed how. It's just like hitting a golf ball where you keep your head down and accelerate through the swing. Hoilett committed the ultimate sin of leaning back and decelerating his kick. The only way for that technique to be successful depends solely on the keeper choosing to dive the right way.

wtf do they do all day at Brockhall? It's absolutely effin basic.

This fella never missed many.... No second guessing the keeper, no hitting the side netting just the basic head down and get through the ball...

btw funniest bit is that the commentator didn't think it was a penalty. Must be cos it was against Spurs.

[47er]

I know Kean has made plenty of mistakes. But it seems a shame that everyone has been whipped up into this sacking frenzy after a performance like yesterday. If we played like that for the rest of the season we'd safely finish mid table. His starting line up yesterday was wrong, but the fact is, we played well and if we'd played that same match ten times we'd have won it more often than not. You can't legislate for two of our best players missing from the spot. I felt more disheartened after the Villa match to be honest.

You think people have been whipped up into a frenzy after one performance? If we'd played that match with the starting eleven I doubt we'd ever have won it. That's down to Kean.

Dunn goes off---no Plan B for penalties. Down to Kean.

So even though we should have easily won that game, the manager doesn't come out of it too well.

However my desire to see him gone is far more broadly based----its about the 22 points from 24 Premier League games---a guarantee of relegation.

[thenodrog]

First not a penalty for me but Hoawrd was a good foot off his line when it was takem

I thought it was at the time and still do now after seeing the replay. Barclay stuck out a leg which blocked Formica's knee. Anybody looking for contact with the foot or ankle wouldn't have seen anything wrong. It's far easier to 'ride a tackle' that is coming in at the ankle than one that is higher than the knee.

[roverandout]

the kean lovers can never be converted, if kean burned down an orphanage on christmas eve, some people on here would still say hes a great guy.

[Andy]

the kean lovers can never be converted, if kean burned down an orphanage on christmas eve, some people on here would still say hes a great guy.

I don't know whether the tiny minority backing Kean genuinely cannot see the massive issues with him being in charge or if they're just on a massive wind-up.

[Bluefudge]

First game yesterday....

No leader on the pitch

No leaders on the bench

No leaders in the posh seats upstairs

No direction

No tactics

No desire

Just frightened people everywhere, we are all but finished.

People on here say we played well ?

Must be me, but I thought we were very very poor and woefully under prepared!!

There will be no change.

We have a cancer in the club, and the treatment is way off coming!

[Plastic Head]

You are an idiot if you think booing Roberts was the right thing to do. Incidentally I didn't hear it from the top tier of the Blackburn End so it must have been a minority. I presume those who were booing need another hate figure now Andrews has left. Morons.

OK, so I'll give my opinion, which will no doubt be shot down.

Team selection was understandable. Roberts to start against their bruising centre halfs. Wasn't a game for Goodwillie to start just yet. Pedersen and Dunn also included for their experience, Pedersen specifically for his defensive duties. No massive debate to be had. It's understandable why they played. It's fair to say some of you would have done it differently but it's hardly awful managing.

As for the game, aside from a few shaky moments near the start we more than deserved to win. Aside from Pedersen not putting his foot in we were more than comfortable dealing with their attacks and were set up well to deal with them. The transition after the double substitution passed smoothly and it was great to see us not only avoid conceding straight after the break but use this time to completed batter them. Most of the second half we were camped in and around their box. There is nothing more the manager could have done. It was down to the players to convert the chances. He set up a system that had its rewards in an attacking sense and we could easily have been 3 up or more.

I think the level of intelligence of a section of the fans is highly questionable. After about 40 minutes of control, Everton went on a rare venture up the field and straight away 'Kean-o, sort it out!' was ringing out from some sections of the crowd. Ridiculous. I know it's a frustrating time but people really need to put things in to context and learn how to deal with these frustrations in some form of logical way, rather than reverting to the old favourite 'hmmm, we aren't winning yet - why it must be Kean's fault!', as though he was the one missing the target time and time again.

It also wasn't his fault that a ridiculous penalty decision was given against us. The referee had a mare, all game, giving incorrect decisions for both sides. If this had been a high profile game then he'd have been having a meeting early next week.

Goodwillie had an interesting performance. Some really good runs which caused problems for the Everton defence, but a little naive at times. Totally understandable. Formica looks very promising and has great awareness and a wonderful touch. Unfortunately I don't think he's going to get another penalty all season now. Pertrovic wasn't ready (as Kean said in the post match interview, hence Dunn starting) but did an adequate job. N'Zonzi did quite well but what a stupid yellow card to give away. I blame Kean for that, naturally. Was good to have Samba back. A mountain, though was lucky to get away with an obvious push as last man. Feared for him when he went down injured too. And Givet for that matter too.

Overall a very good performance, the result wasn't deserved, the manager couldn't have done much more, and those who left early cursing the manager should be disgusted with themselves, if only because they missed Emerton's farewell.

Questioning the intelligence of someone whose argument you don't agree with does you no favours. Perhaps some of us think anyone who sits applauding the club in our current situation also has a low intelligence quotient. It certainly shows an inability to understand the mindset of the other person and convince them of your side of the argument.

You could always have drowned out the few boos for Roberts with wild cheering, perhaps you knew had bad he was deep down. I certainly didn't hear many complimementary remarks and even Roberts himself had to put on a limp to hide his shame.

Football is about results. Our general play under the previous manager was rarely as good as yesterday, but he won games. Kean doesn't win games. The club is on it's worse run in history and want contentment? Not from me.

[thenodrog]

Shearer said both ours were penalties

And if he were taking them that would have been 2-0 game over.

A few pens here (and superb memories).... http://www.shearer9.com/vidsbburn.shtml

Mon morning they should sit the wannabee pen takers down to watch this. In fact for a few bob well spent he'd prob come and coach them for an hour or two.

Formica is a real positive and whilst Hoilett has had better games I love having him in our team. Every time he gets the ball in the opposition half you feel that something will happen.

I thought pen miss aside Hoilett had a cracking game and I'm sure Phil Neviklle will back me up. He and Samba were MoM for me with Formica and Givet not far behind.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Between fans arguing amongst themselves?

Yes, and its only going to get worse I fear.

Where are the Sheffield clubs right now?

Exactly,I said after the Wednesday game that they should serve as a dire warning of what can possibly become of us once the rot sets in.

Frightening stuff.

[thenodrog]

How could our under fire first choice centre forward (the guy who more than any other player is picked for his ability to score goals) not have the bottle to demand to take the pen?

Difficult if not impossible to hit a dead ball with your shin would have thought. In all seriousness I'd put Robinson way in front of him, in fact Robbo is our best kicker of a dead ball by a mile.

Be honest garnersfags ... or anybody else for that matter... when has anyone ever seen Jason Roberts hit a ball with real power? I can't rem it and just watching 5 mins of that compilation of Shearer in the blue and white halves just highlights how sh1t a striker Roberts is. Shearer had no weaknesses as a striker and whilst Roberts has NO strengths to his game at all. 'He can be a handful' being the most positive comment I've ever heard about him.

watched the game last night and how we lost is beyond me,maybe its keans fault for not taking the penaltys himself.best moment was the fight just after half time between a vietnamese hooker and a cambodian bar girl

Over you by any chance was it waggy? Or should I be calling you Father Goose?

How will the season go? We need two strikers which will cost £12-15m at least. Venky's don't have that kind of cash so we won't get them. A lack of goals will relegate the team. Our next few games are very tough and to be brutal any more than three points - Fulham, QPR and Norwich - will be a good return.

We are in deep sh!t but I still enjoyed the game in parts yesterday - which I hadn't expected

Disagree strongly. Any brass they have needs to be spent on a fullback and a centre half.

[thenodrog]

First game yesterday....

No leader on the pitch

damn... I ticked that by mistake. Samba was immense.

[booth]

Questioning the intelligence of someone whose argument you don't agree with does you no favours. Perhaps some of us think anyone who sits applauding the club in our current situation also has a low intelligence quotient. It certainly shows an inability to understand the mindset of the other person and convince them of your side of the argument.

Why are you biting? His avatar should tell you everything you need to know. Every one of his posts is intended to wind people up.

He's clearly some lonely sap who sits on his own in a darkened room, enjoying the feeling of power of knowing he's got someone's back up, rewarding himself a cookie for every retaliatory reply he gets.

[LeChuck]

Disagree strongly. Any brass they have needs to be spent on a fullback and a centre half.

Funny how we all see things differently. Samba and Givet form the strongest area of our team, they're not the problem.

A lball winning leader in central midfield is a much bigger problem than defence. We need another Savage, someone with experience who can inspire the team and add aggression. Petrovic isn't the partner N'Zonzi needs but will be a good squad player.

After that a proper front man to keep Roberts out of the team.

Don't really understand the logic of saying we need defenders based on yesterdays game. We didn't lose because of the defence, Everton hardly had a sniff. We lost because we didn't have ability or conviction to take our chances against a very poor team. Two top defenders wouldn't have made a single difference yesterday.

[Bluefudge]

damn... I ticked that by mistake. Samba was immense.

Samba had one of his worst games!!!!

Playing to prove his fitness for Arsenal !!

[philipl]

Braddock, most of your posts are complete twaddle but that bit in the blue box at the bottom of every post you make is spot on.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

First game yesterday....

No leader on the pitch

No leaders on the bench

No leaders in the posh seats upstairs

No direction

No tactics

No desire

Just frightened people everywhere, we are all but finished.

People on here say we played well ?

Must be me, but I thought we were very very poor and woefully under prepared!!

There will be no change.

We have a cancer in the club, and the treatment is way off coming!

I think you do some of the players a huge discredit by saying there are no leaders on the pitch.

Even given our current predicament - the desire was there for all to see.

Tactics - I don't think he can win with this one - people on here moaned about the lack of experience in our developing squad - and then moan when he puts out an experienced side (btw - I didn't agree with his team selection - but just making the point).

Frightened people - rubbish - the one thing Kean has done is create an atmosphere were players feel more free to express themselves. Wednesday night was a good example - as is Hoiletts emergence. Also - amazing that at least three players pushed themselves forward to take the penalty kick - not the actions of frightened players.

As for the match - I felt we played well for most of the match. However - we relied on our flair players - whereas Everton had the better team pattern and cohesion for most of the match. I think Kean struggles to get the balance right - a sign of the pressure he is under.

[47er]

I think Kean struggles to get the balance right - a sign of the pressure he is under.

No, a sign he is utter rubbish.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I thought pen miss aside Hoilett had a cracking game and I'm sure Phil Neviklle will back me up. He and Samba were MoM for me with Formica and Givet not far behind.

I just thought there were a couple of occasions when Hoilett had the opportunity to get on the outside of the full back but opted for a little angled pass instead. For me, he should stick to his strengths, one of which is scaring the bejeebers out of full backs. Cute passing is not Hoilett's game.

That aside I'd imagine he is a real pain to play against. Even though a percentage of his runs at Neville didn't come off, you're right, I'd reckon Wilfred Bramble's love child is glad to see the back of Junior.

[Hekla]

Can I ask why people are moaning about Petrovic after only his second appearance as a sub? You can't expect him to be world class from the off. Some people are strange on this messageboard.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

As for the match - I felt we played well for most of the match. However - we relied on our flair players - whereas Everton had the better team pattern and cohesion for most of the match. I think Kean struggles to get the balance right - a sign of the pressure he is under.

Only to be expected DMTP, that Everton team has been together for a while now. Barry Horne (ex Evertonian and not generally given to complementing Rovers) praised Kean on the Foxtel commentary saying that he had "put out a well balanced side, no square pegs in round holes"

Can I ask why people are moaning about Petrovic after only his second appearance as a sub? You can't expect him to be world class from the off. Some people are strange on this messageboard.

Possibly the same people who slagged off Formica for not setting the world alight the minute he arrived from the other side of the Globe.

[Hekla]

People don't understand the language barrier, new cultures. Think before you speak god damn.