[Archived] Rovers v Everton

[Silencio]

Braddock, most of your posts are complete twaddle but that bit in the blue box at the bottom of every post you make is spot on.

ha ha ha!

[thenodrog]

Funny how we all see things differently. Samba and Givet form the strongest area of our team, they're not the problem.

A lball winning leader in central midfield is a much bigger problem than defence. We need another Savage, someone with experience who can inspire the team and add aggression. Petrovic isn't the partner N'Zonzi needs but will be a good squad player.

After that a proper front man to keep Roberts out of the team.

Don't really understand the logic of saying we need defenders based on yesterdays game. We didn't lose because of the defence, Everton hardly had a sniff. We lost because we didn't have ability or conviction to take our chances against a very poor team. Two top defenders wouldn't have made a single difference yesterday.

Funny indeed Lechuck....

CH... We've sold one of the best CH's in the country, Nelsen is injury prone and noticeably slowing down, preferably we'd like olsson at left midfield and therefore Givet goes to left back, Hanley is inexperienced and not ready to play every match for a full season imo and Samba might be away. Need any more reasons?

Full Back... We have just one full back in the entire club. Salgado is struggling with age thats why the opposition have been 'weighing' on him so obviously, whilst Givet and Olsson are better players in other positions.

I find your opinion incredible.. as you say 'funny'.

[Bluefudge]

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

If you look at the club as a whole, we have a problem with direction from the very top down to the kids.

Like I say we are a hell of a long way from the cure.

On a positive thought the shop was as well stocked as I have every seen it.

[thenodrog]

Why are you biting? His avatar should tell you everything you need to know. Every one of his posts is intended to wind people up.

He's clearly some lonely sap who sits on his own in a darkened room, enjoying the feeling of power of knowing he's got someone's back up, rewarding himself a cookie for every retaliatory reply he gets.

He's a she I believe.

.... I'd reckon Wilfred Bramble's love child is glad to see the back of Junior.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Braddock, most of your posts are complete twaddle but that bit in the blue box at the bottom of every post you make is spot on.

Which bits of his last post ? I agree - I to could see the rationale of his team selection - didn't agree with it, but could see the thought behind it.

I was also surprised at some of the chants about "Kean sort it out" when we were well on top.

I can see what Kean is trying to do - if he can pull it off we will have an exciting team to watch over the next few years. If he doesn't we will possibly be relegated. Would I replace him - most likely - though I like his vision - don't think he has the experience to carry it off - especially considering the inexperience of our owners.

[Paul]

You mean Emerton who is going home with family issues and has been a great servant to the club and so deserves to get his wish?

Yes, a good decision I'd say.

On the basis of what Kean has said Emerton going home for "family reasons" is untrue.

[dopper69]

That is how to take a penalty. Someone needs to send that to Hoilett.

Few thoughts on the game:

1 - If not for the width of the post Dunn would have scored a fantastic goal. Great build up play from Jr.

2 - Hindsight is a lovely thing however Roberts should have been on penalty duty.

3 - Formica looked very lively, as did Hoilett

4 - My patience with Steve Bean is wearing thin.

Edit - We desperately need to get 2 proper fullbacks. Salgado is becoming something of a liability and it is getting very obvious that teams see him as a weak link in the team. IMO when your setting up your wide men to constantly get forwards your full backs need a good engine to cope with the additional workload. Shame he is leaving as I would prefer Emerton to Salgado. If he wasn't such a shirker MGP at left back wouldn't be a bad shout.

[booth]

Which bits of his last post ? I agree - I to could see the rationale of his team selection - didn't agree with it, but could see the thought behind it.

I was also surprised at some of the chants about "Kean sort it out" when we were well on top.

I can see what Kean is trying to do - if he can pull it off we will have an exciting team to watch over the next few years. If he doesn't we will possibly be relegated. Would I replace him - most likely - though I like his vision - don't think he has the experience to carry it off - especially considering the inexperience of our owners.

He can't pull it off. There's no evidence to suggest that he ever will. We had months of agony last season under him, and this season we've had our worst start since the 1950's.

We're about as exciting as a life threatening illness. Day to day you never know what's going to happen. It doesn't make it good.

I think everyone could see the thought behind his team selection yesterday, but the thinking behind it was really very poor.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I can see what Kean is trying to do - if he can pull it off we will have an exciting team to watch over the next few years. If he doesn't we will possibly be relegated. Would I replace him - most likely - though I like his vision - don't think he has the experience to carry it off - especially considering the inexperience of our owners.

Yeah, me too. It dosn't look on at the moment. As well as being inexperienced, he's unlucky, which is probably the worst thing you could say about a football manager. (It's ok, nobody needs to "correct it" for me )

[xtp]

Can I ask why people are moaning about Petrovic after only his second appearance as a sub? You can't expect him to be world class from the off. Some people are strange on this messageboard.

People were complaining about Jermaine Jones in his first few games, too. Now we're all desperate to get him back. You're right. Players need time to settle. Plus he's only 22.

[Mattyblue]

Why is he unlucky DGS? Yes, we've had games when we have been ufortunate, but we also came across a Liverpool side all at sea, a Bolton team on the slide after Wembley.

Just how it goes.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Why is he unlucky DGS? Yes, we've had games when we have been ufortunate, but we also came across a Liverpool side all at sea, a Bolton team on the slide after Wembley.

Just how it goes.

He had horrendous injuries last season which, coupled with his inexperience meant it was "squeaky bum time" at Molyneaux.

I'm struggling to think of the last time we missed two pens, hit the inside of the post, hit the bar and had a ###### ridiculous penalty awarded against us in the last minute to deny us a point when we thoroughly deserved all three.

Come on Matty, if Kean didn't have bad luck, he'd have no luck at all.

[Parsonblue]

Possibly the same people who slagged off Formica for not setting the world alight the minute he arrived from the other side of the Globe.

The problem dgs is that Formica took six months to get up to speed. Petrovic may well be a very good player once he has settled down it's far to early to pass judgement. However, the point that many are making, myself included, is that we simply don't have the resources to allow players to sit in the Reserves for three or four months until they get to grips with the speed of the Premier League. If we had brought in a couple of Premier League players to cover then you would have the time to wait for the likes of Petrovic to grow into the Premier League. Sadly, because of the transfer policy that Venkys and Kean have opted for we need all new arrivals to hit the ground running.

[den]

Can I ask why people are moaning about Petrovic after only his second appearance as a sub? You can't expect him to be world class from the off. Some people are strange on this messageboard.

They are giving their opinions based on what they've seen so far.

Why do you question that? You can give yours if you wish.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

The problem dgs is that Formica took six months to get up to speed. Petrovic may well be a very good player once he has settled down it's far to early to pass judgement. However, the point that many are making, myself included, is that we simply don't have the resources to allow players to sit in the Reserves for three or four months until they get to grips with the speed of the Premier League. If we had brought in a couple of Premier League players to cover then you would have the time to wait for the likes of Petrovic to grow into the Premier League. Sadly, because of the transfer policy that Venkys and Kean have opted for we need all new arrivals to hit the ground running.

I get that PB but ready made, hit the ground running Premiership midfielders are beyond the resources of us, Bolton, Everton, Wigan, Fulham, Newcastle, Villa, West Brom etc,etc,etc.....

They are giving their opinions based on what they've seen so far.

Why do you question that? You can give yours if you wish.

I think his opinion was implicit in his post. That being he's a good player who needs more than one game to settle in.

[47er]

Can I ask why people are moaning about Petrovic after only his second appearance as a sub? You can't expect him to be world class from the off. Some people are strange on this messageboard.

I don't know that i moaned about him exactly. I was making the point that the least you can say is that he didn't look ready for Premier League football, just as Formica clearly wasn't last season.

Other clubs can afford to have reserves of players like these and gradually bring them on but we can't. Petrovic is the direct replacement for J Jones who did hit the ground running. And we miss him a lot.

If we keep signing players with potential, we'll go down, simple as that.

Notice that all my points are footballing ones rather than simply criticising another poster Hekla and Deryck?

PS--sorry Parson Blue-read your post above after posting!

[Hekla]

It's true though, how do we know he can be ready after two short outings in the Premier League, what if he is fantastic next week? The guy needs to settle, as do every foreign player that comes here.

[booth]

It's true though, how do we know he can be ready after two short outings in the Premier League, what if he is fantastic next week? The guy needs to settle, as do every foreign player that comes here.

I wouldn't worry too much about it, he wasn't great yesterday from what I saw but he just needs time before anyone makes a proper judgement on him.

I'm hoping Vukcevic hits the ground running though.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Notice that all my points are footballing ones rather than simply criticising another poster Hekla and Deryck?

Cut it out. I've made loads of footballing posts tonight and last night. Wind your neck in.

[Hekla]

I wouldn't worry too much about it, he wasn't great yesterday from what I saw but he just needs time before anyone makes a proper judgement on him.

I'm hoping Vukcevic hits the ground running though.

Sorry, just annoys me when fans don't understand that players can't always hit the ground running. Players need to settle.

I hope so too.

[JAL]

The recurring thought from yesterdays game is, if you've played the best you can play and lose, what hope is there for the future.

[yoda]

The recurring thought from yesterdays game is, if you've played the best you can play and lose, what hope is there for the future.

NONE

[deryck guyler's spoon]

The recurring thought from yesterdays game is, if you've played the best you can play and lose, what hope is there for the future.

I may need certifying after this but I sort of agree . Teams that play well and lose eventually lose heart and confidence and just lose.

That being said, Everton didn't win in their opening six games last year and finished 7th.

[chocky]

The recurring thought from yesterdays game is, if you've played the best you can play and lose, what hope is there for the future.

Thing is we will play badly and win a match. We were good yesterday, missed tweo penalties and at least two good scoring chances and lost. We were mudgged off. It's football and the best team doesn't always win. I still think things will get better but I also think that the owners will lose patience with Kean and sack him.

[LeChuck]

Funny indeed Lechuck....

CH... We've sold one of the best CH's in the country, Nelsen is injury prone and noticeably slowing down, preferably we'd like olsson at left midfield and therefore Givet goes to left back, Hanley is inexperienced and not ready to play every match for a full season imo and Samba might be away. Need any more reasons?

Full Back... We have just one full back in the entire club. Salgado is struggling with age thats why the opposition have been 'weighing' on him so obviously, whilst Givet and Olsson are better players in other positions.

I find your opinion incredible.. as you say 'funny'.

Based on yesterday's game (this is the Everton thread after all), I don't know how you can come to conclusion that we need two defenders more than we need two players elsewhere. The defence wasn't the issue yesterday, Everton barely had a chance all game.