[Archived] Steve Kean

[Mattyblue]

Should Ince have been given 'more time'?

[broadsword]

That was a mid-table squad he inherited, and he almost took it down.

He's had more than a chance. He's had a fair go at it and shown himself to be utterly bobbins.

Next.

[rovers_rob]

Okay, few things for me (That I think others have pretty much stated, but here's my 10p...)

1. Kean isn't going anywhere yet is he, clearly.

2. It's HIS team now, no excuses

3. Looking at the overall squad, we should be do better than we have

4. The owners will back him until at least November, unless we get humiliated, which of course, the vast majority of us don't want to see

5. Most of us have no problem backing the team

So on the basis that we will have a love / hate relationship at least until we start climbing the table, and, the owners prove that they are listening, we should start afresh.

After all, the fans are vocal enough?

What do you guys reckon?

Spot on.

I think the main point is that he has no excuses.

Last season was crazy, daft decisions, takeovers, daft quotes etc.. but we stayed up. Last season is history and I'm just glad we survived.

We didn't have a defence against wolves, villa game was poor but I didn't expect anything from that and Everton...well..can't blame kean for 2 missed pens. I thought we looked ok in that game.

Excuses excuses, but in my opinion valid ones.

No excuses now. Not to fussed about performances at this stage. We need points and I really don't care how we get them.

Some fans will never like Kean just like some people never liked Sam but his job is to get results and if he does then I'm sure he will win the majority over.

Over to you Mr Kean.

[True Blue & White]

I say give the guy a run. He inherited an industrial, rigid team from Mr Vain, and should be given a fair chance to stamp his philosophy on his players. The trouble with the tremblers is they do not give managers a chance these days.

The perfect example of being given time is RFW. (and no I don't ecpect Kean to emulate his success, but to be given enough time to be judged on his players and ideas)

Hasn't been given a chance? How many matches has he presided over now?

[LeChuck]

That was a mid-table squad he inherited, and he almost took it down.

He's had more than a chance. He's had a fair go at it and shown himself to be utterly bobbins.

Next.

Agreed. Comparisons to Alex Ferguson aren't justified because he had a managerial record to prove he could deliver results. Kean has nothing.

To put this another way; last season his points-per-game would have seen us relegated. This season he has lost all three games. Despite all this, are we to assume that results so far aren't reflective of his ability and that he will start getting enough results to see us safe?

[pedebumchin]

I say give the guy a run. He inherited an industrial, rigid team from Mr Vain, and should be given a fair chance to stamp his philosophy on his players. The trouble with the tremblers is they do not give managers a chance these days.

The perfect example of being given time is RFW. (and no I don't ecpect Kean to emulate his success, but to be given enough time to be judged on his players and ideas)

I'd say 27 premier league games is long enough to stamp his authority, dont forget that includes a full pre-season as well. He has had his chance and has come up as short as he looks in every post match interview. I do believe that the players like him and for some strange reason i think he is a decent coach. But he is not a manager and IMO never will be any good.

The sooner he goes the more chance we have of survival.

Kean Out

[mark1875]

steve kean 24 games = 22 points

in the 24 games immediately before steve kean = 33 points

the loss of 0.4 points per game is bound to be costly and it's Steve Keans fault

[JAL]

steve kean 24 games = 22 points

in the 24 games immediately before steve kean = 33 points

the loss of 0.4 points per game is bound to be costly and it's Steve Keans fault

Stephen Kean, Kentaro/SEM and Venky's have certainly lowered the standard of football at Ewood park this season.

Are they dingles in disguise

[RibbleValleyRover]

Looking at our form and results under him as manager (last season and this season so far) is he worth giving another 10 games?

Our next 10 games:

Fulham Away

Arenal Home

Newcastle Away

Man City Home

QPR Away

Spurs Home

Norwich Away

Chelsea Home

Wigan Away

Stoke Away

Looking at those fixtures none look particularly easy. To survive in this league you have to have a decent home form, in our next ten games on paper we shouldn't win any of the. Arsenal, City, Spurs and Chelsea are all better sides than we are. To get anything from those games it's going to take a bit of luck and a bit of guile, does Kean have that in his locker? I don't think so.

The Stoke game is on the 28th November, after that we have the tricky christmas period when games come thick and fast and we have to play the likes of Liverpool and United.

If Kean's points average that we have seen over his tenure so far continues it won't matter about getting players in January or even a new manager, we could be dead and buried by Christmas.

Relegation for a side like Rovers would be a huge disaster, we don't have the fanbase to generate decent revenue in terms of tickets sold and merchandise and both will decline if we go down. Rovers rely financialy on the the tv revenue and prize money from being in this league. You think Venky's will pump money into the club if we are relegated to the Championship? It's far more likely they will ditch us and we will go the way of Sheff United, Sheff Wednesday, Leeds, Southampton, Charlton and many other clubs who drop down the divisions and struggle to make it back into this league.

Can Kean turn it around? You can't rule out anything in football. But when you look at everything about the man- the tactics, team selection, personality, and most importantly his record and points average I just cannot see it happening.

Top ten finishes and Europe? Nah all I see is fighting relegation under Kean, and this time possibly losing it.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

You're right there, I love Rovers and I hate Kean.

I love Rovers - but I dont hate Kean. I think Rovers fans do need to consider that he is trying his best and also trying to employ more attractive tactics. It was always going to take time and changes to personnel to make it work. IMO now is the time - we have more attacking flair than for many years defence is fairly strong - if he doesnt turn this around quickly there should be no more excuses. No way would I give him until November - there is now enoigh talent to beat some of the better teams - with the right tactics.

[Jackson]

The problem won't go away with a few wins/draws.

If this happens, everyone will be wondering what the squad is capable of with a man of competence.

Unfortunately, I think the ship has sailed on this one.

[Mattyblue]

The problem won't go away with a few wins/draws.

If this happens, everyone will be wondering what the squad is capable of with a man of competence.

Unfortunately, I think the ship has sailed on this one.

We could wonder but that would be all, he's looking pretty secure without results so if he gets a few, then we may as well lock the thread.

[Jackson]

Wrong thread, sorry.

[Tony Diamond Inc]

Agreed. Comparisons to Alex Ferguson aren't justified because he had a managerial record to prove he could deliver results. Kean has nothing.

To put this another way; last season his points-per-game would have seen us relegated. This season he has lost all three games. Despite all this, are we to assume that

results so far aren't reflective of his ability and that he will

start getting enough results to see us safe?

Sorry LeChuck, I had to ChuckLe at that post.

I'd love to have seen you standing in front of the Stretford End prior to that Robbins goal saying 'er I think your opinion of Mr Ferguson is flawed as his manegerial record up to coming to United is exemplory, therefore he should be allowed more time than most!'

Now is not the time to judge Kean. We gave Mr Vain time to turn us into the turgid, mocked and disliked hoofballers, let's give him time to steer the ship into prettier waters.

Remember to improve on Mr Vain would be mid-table and more than 20 seconds at the end of MOTD.

[Mattyblue]

Oh it was because of Allatdyce we got little time on MOTD?

Nowt yo do with the big club bias?

[Tony Diamond Inc]

Oh it was because of Allatdyce we got little time on MOTD?

Nowt yo do with the big club bias?

Mostly his fault!

[Brandeburg]

He's an idiot, play a record..

[Rovermatt]

Worst manager in the league. I'm amazed he's still employed by the club.

[PAFELL]

I love Rovers - but I dont hate Kean. I think Rovers fans do need to consider that he is trying his best and also trying to employ more attractive tactics. It was always going to take time and changes to personnel to make it work. IMO now is the time - we have more attacking flair than for many years defence is fairly strong - if he doesnt turn this around quickly there should be no more excuses. No way would I give him until November - there is now enough talent to beat some of the better teams - with the right tactics.

I have to agree with you. Now the defence has been made stronger by Dann's coming in. Yakubu, although not he best, can and does score goals. Goodwillie looks ok. Holiett staying is good. The squad is not a bad squad. So there is no excuse now. If Kean cannot get this squad playing winning football, then he will never do it.

But I still do not want him at the club. I hope the owners see sence and kick this convicted drunk driver and liar out of the club. He remains a stain on venkys tenure at the club.

Clean sweep, Kentario and Kean out of the club - then we may be able to move on from here.

[Stuart]

You can judge us now, says Kean

OK Steve, you're an incompetent manager who should be nowhere near the manager's job at a Premier League club. That do you?

Ok. So this could go one of two ways:

Door no. 1 - Kean has his own playing staff at his disposal and goes out and picks the sides which play "his way" and brings in the results - at least against Fulham, Newcastle and QPR. Taking 9 points from the next 6 games.

Door no 2 - Kean's way, with Kean's players fails to win any of the next 6 games, and takes 3 points or less.

The question is, will he accept he isn't good enough and ask for help, or, even more admirable, walk away? Or will we hear more positivity and spin?

Kean says judge him now which I take to mean...

No More Excuses.

[RovertheHill]

If thats a witch hunt, I feel sorry for you as in my opinion and many others too, a total lack of planning and foresight!

There has been a witch hunt though hasn't there? Much of it driven by so-called in-the-know inside information and suchlike. Some of the things said about him on here have been pretty low.

the numbers do not lie.

There's no need for it to get personal though. All you need to know to judge Kean is in this statement.

The trouble with the tremblers is ...

Couldn't decide if Nickoteen or Rovers Fan was my favourite quasi-insult on here but you're my new favourite with this one. Genius

[True Blue & White]

Ok. So this could go one of two ways:

Door no. 1 - Kean has his own playing staff at his disposal and goes out and picks the sides which play "his way" and brings in the results - at least against Fulham, Newcastle and QPR. Taking 9 points from the next 6 games.

Door no 2 - Kean's way, with Kean's players fails to win any of the next 6 games, and takes 3 points or less.

The question is, will he accept he isn't good enough and ask for help, or, even more admirable, walk away? Or will we hear more positivity and spin?

Kean says judge him now which I take to mean...

No More Excuses.

There are clearly more than the two variables you suggested but anyway, why should we forget the last 9 months? Should we judge Joey Barton 'from now on' too?

[AggyBlue]

I'd say 27 premier league games is long enough to stamp his authority, dont forget that includes a full pre-season as well.

Perhaps they are heeding the old adage that a manager needs four/five years

[roverandout]

cant beleive some people on here still think kean should be given more time, what basis do you have for that? all of a sudden he is going to become a master tactician? has he been fooling us all and by the time we play fulham, we will be setting the premiership alight? get real, nothing will change as he isnt capable of changing, he come out with more cr^p than a man who has just had been for an indian (no pun intended) the sooner he is gone, the better, no amount of signings will change his ineptitude.

[Aberdeen Blue]

I love Rovers - but I dont hate Kean. I think Rovers fans do need to consider that he is trying his best and also trying to employ more attractive tactics. It was always going to take time and changes to personnel to make it work. IMO now is the time - we have more attacking flair than for many years defence is fairly strong - if he doesnt turn this around quickly there should be no more excuses. No way would I give him until November - there is now enoigh talent to beat some of the better teams - with the right tactics.

Sorry DMT but we simply cannot afford to give this idot more time; he has proven he is not fit for purpose so get rid! The squad he inherited were holding there own, not setting the world alight but we were "safe". This muppet is appointed and we are spiralling out of control, scrape our way out of the poo on the last day of the season only for us to play 3, lose 3 at the start of the next. Enough is enough - sack the pillock today (it would not be a day to soon), do not leave this idot to have any more detrimental influence over this great institution any longer!