[Archived] Steve Kean

[tonyoz]

How can you be optimistic? Look at what has happened since Venkys have taken over.

How are these additional income stream plans and Indian marketing vision coming along by the way? Could not even get a sponsor at a reduced fee ffs.

Well, because I think we've done OK this window. Lots of dead wood has gone and we have some proper players to replace them. I'm talking about guys who have real potential and didn't cost an obscene amount of money. In other words, proper value for money players. That's exactly the sort of player that has Blackburn Rovers written all the way through him. If we get a Jansen or a Sherwood or a Bentley or a McCarthy or a Santa Cruz or a Nelsen or a Samba or a Hoilett or a Givet or two - then we'll be good won't we?

As for the marketing stuff - I never worry about it. We still bought more players than I can remember for many a long while didn't we?

[den]

Things haven't gone well but I wouldn't exactly say the wheels have fallen off just yet.

You obviously haven't been watching Rovers since the man you support so much, along with the owners you support so much, took over.

ps, how can roversider -1 that. Do you think it's been good watching the team performances and the debacle that is Venky's? If you haven't been witnessing the wheels coming off, how do you call it - unlucky?

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[Rovers Gals]

Well I'd like to hope it's goung to be a good time to play arsenal ! So sincerely hope we can get something out of next match , I watched ladt one on holiday in a bar with an ex referee who happened to be an everton fan , he said we were unlucky to loose and he meant it ! I was that annoyed afterwords I through two sets of flip- flops at bedroom wall while I was getting ready to go out grrr . Now I've recovered and have to follow my team , mini sulk gone ( for one ) ha

[tonyoz]

You obviously haven't been watching Rovers since the man you support so much, along with the owners you support so much, took over.

I think Bucky, like the rest of us, supports the team. We aren't gonna get rid of the owners or Kean so what do we do? You either sign up at suicide.com or you look to the positives. For me this means putting some faith in keen ambitious youngsters blended with a pinch of solid rock - Samba, Nelsen, Robinson, Givet and a bit of spice thrown in with the likes of Vukcevic and the Yak. It ain't all bad surely?

[yoda]

I like mangers who have a fierce ability to win.

I like managers who actually do win

[den]

I think Bucky, like the rest of us, supports the team. We aren't gonna get rid of the owners or Kean so what do we do? You either sign up at suicide.com or you look to the positives. For me this means putting some faith in keen ambitious youngsters blended with a pinch of solid rock - Samba, Nelsen, Robinson, Givet and a bit of spice thrown in with the likes of Vukcevic and the Yak. It ain't all bad surely?

We all support the team. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't say it as we see it Tony. Since Venky's took over and appointed Kean, from where I've been sitting in the Jack Walker upper, it certainly has been a matter of the wheels falling off. I see no point whatsoever in trying to say any different.

As for the recent transfer window, you were saying that we have brought in plenty of potential, while at the same time getting rid of some dead wood. Well the truth here surely, is that we have also lost some quality players - JJ, PJ, Emerton and others who we know can cut it in the PL, while apart from Scott Dann, the other signings are as yet unknown.

So yes, let's hope some of these new signings step up to the plate. At the moment though, we can't be sure about any of them.

[tonyoz]

We all support the team. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't say it as we see it Tony. Since Venky's took over and appointed Kean, from where I've been sitting in the Jack Walker upper, it certainly has been a matter of the wheels falling off. I see no point whatsoever in trying to say any different.

As for the recent transfer window, you were saying that we have brought in plenty of potential, while at the same time getting rid of some dead wood. Well the truth here surely, is that we have also lost some quality players - JJ, PJ, Emerton and others who we know can cut it in the PL, while apart from Scott Dann, the other signings are as yet unknown.

So yes, let's hope some of these new signings step up to the plate. At the moment though, we can't be sure about any of them.

We did lose some quality but the 3 you mention were inevitable I think. JJ is the interesting one for me as I think that, once he had settled in, he made our midfield tick in a way it hadn't for a long time - first in partnership with PJ, then with N'Zonzi. I am hoping Petrovic will be able to fill those shoes.

The owners seem to be here for a while. I don't think they are used to failing from a business point of view. The Premier League is a whole new baby though and it will test their mettle. I still can't weigh them up.

As for Stevie - I felt very let down with the drink driving business. He sounded like any wide-boy trying to justify the unjustifiable. I would have had more respect for him if he had just come out and said "Sorry, I stuffed up!" But then again, I have to forget/ignore/put to the back of my mind so many things since the Premier League became so ugly. It's a wonder I still bother to be honest!

[Roversider]

Well if Kean were going he'd be gone.

Seems that 12% of over 700 of us are getting their wish for relegation.

Do you really believe that those of us who aren't enthusiastic about sacking Kean now are wishing for relegation? I don't think that is what you want either, however I might surmise that you will take some satisfaction from Kean failing from your constant mantra about Kean, Kentaro and Venkys. We do all care about the Rovers no matter how bitter and opposed we might feel about how the club has moved. Personally I wish we could have got another Jack Walker from amongst the population of Blackburn but his like appears once in every two generations.

The squad has been strengthened whatever anyone might say, we have kept Samba, N'Zonzi and Hoillet. Now we need to get some results and I am more positive than I have been thanks to the additions AND retention of key players. By the way, if the team had not shown some commitment and quality against Everton I might have had a different view but they did, just failed in front of goal.

It's going to be a long season and it is down to the owners whether Steve Kean is there at the end. No doubt they are influenced by the fans but in my opinion attempting to satisfy the fans without having an alternative plan is no way to run a club for the long-term.

[BuckyRover]

You obviously haven't been watching Rovers since the man you support so much, along with the owners you support so much, took over.

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I voted to sack the manager. But I'm content that if/when this does happen. We have a good enough team for a manager to step in and do the business.

They have significantly strengthened the team and I got to a point where I didn't think they would.

Happy days

[Rainmaker]

By the way, if the team had not shown some commitment and quality against Everton I might have had a different view but they did, just failed in front of goal

I'm of the opinion that the Everton result was down to two factors alone.

1. The inability to score from two penalties

2. The ref awarding Everton a dubious, if not completely wrong, penalty.

Rovers didn't play badly that game.

[Andy]

I voted to sack the manager. But I'm content that if/when this does happen. We have a good enough team for a manager to step in and do the business.

They have significantly strengthened the team and I got to a point where I didn't think they would.

Happy days

Whilst I agree with what you're saying, what's the point in having a stronger squad when we still have a manager who is incapable of organising them into taking points from matches?

We could have Man Utd's squad, but with Kean in charge we wouldn't win the league.

[Roversider]

You obviously haven't been watching Rovers since the man you support so much, along with the owners you support so much, took over.

ps, how can roversider -1 that. Do you think it's been good watching the team performances and the debacle that is Venky's? If you haven't been witnessing the wheels coming off, how do you call it - unlucky?

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Don't have a problem with your dislike of the owners, just the automatic assumption that anyone who has a different view must not watch the Rovers. Don't read anything extra into my comments, I just prefer a thoughtful discussion.

Some of the football has been good since Kean took over but not to the extent of making me happy. It is a results business and the table doesn't make nice reading (nor did it last year) but I am a patient man and whilst I have called for other managers to be sacked (Iley and Ince) I don't think that Kean is there yet. Ince hadn't a clue and as for Jim Iley ......

Still this is all about opinions and the reality is that if the results go well Kean may stay, bad results and he will go.

[True Blue & White]

When was the last time we signed 6 players? Some of which with a lot of potential.

Summer 2009, we signed 7 players - Lars Jacobsen, Steven Nzonzi, Gael Givet, Elrio Van Heerden, Jake Kean, Nikola Kalinic and Pascal Chimbonda. So not that long ago really.

So just two summer windows ago, funny how short some people's memories are. We had ONE window where the trust didn't bring anyone in (the last summer one in which we were being sold to Venky's so understandable) and people always extrapolate that one window throughout the entire ownership of the Trust, as if they never gave us any money for transfers ever, why?

It seems to me Venky's are simply matching the Trust's spending policy, they certainly aren't pumping the money in we expected (and were told).

Oh and as for having a lot of potential, that is purely subjective. I'm sure Van Heredeen had a lot of potential when we bought him too and Kalinic definitely did, after all we had signed "the future of Croatian football" at the time.

[John]

We had an ok start to the season after bringing just Benjani in, whoops...

[FourLaneBlue]

The only reason people were saying we'd have no points by September is because they despise Kean so much.

Oh, right. I thought it was because we have no points by September.

[Rovers Gals]

Statistics don't lie ! if they stay the same by January , venkys could very well be leaving it too late to make a brave descision and sack kean . Unbelievable

[True Blue & White]

Statistics don't lie !

You seem to be confusing statistics with Shakira's hips.

[Brfcrule1]

Rainmaker wrote:I'm of the opinion that the Everton result was down to two factors alone.

1. The inability to score from two penalties

2. The ref awarding Everton a dubious, if not completely wrong, penalty.

Rovers didn't play badly that game.

Rainmaker ever heard of the saying I would rather play poorly but winand you say didn't play that badley I must have watched a different game missing one penalty is bad enough missing 2 is just careless and if I was one of the players to take a penalty I would be mad with the more excperienced not offering to take the heat of me because after all we keep hearing Salgado won the champs league before surely with that experience he should have taken one but no excuses can be made when you are on top for much of the game you have to take your chances and our inability to convert even one of those penalities means we did play badly.

[FourLaneBlue]

The next run of matches are very difficult - including Fulham away for a newly created squad.

So if the Manager is 'sacked' by the witchunt on here that is not the end of the story....we have to appoint the right replacement from the football 'establishment'. On this I agree with Madon's little piece.

Guarantee me Hughes and the Taffia coming back and I will support the knee-jerks on here.

All that might happen is 3 weeks of speculation on here. But then again that is what this Messageboard is for -isn't it? BRFCS.com needs to emphasise the 'S'.

Some people simply refuse to see the wood for the trees.

2 wins in 18 games is kneejerk...

[broadsword]

The squad has been strengthened whatever anyone might say

Has it really?

We've swapped Jones for Dann effectively, bought a striker who's seen better days and signed a youth player for Sheffield United. We've also signed Petrovic who will presumably take time to get accustomed to the pace of the game over here. If you then add in that we've lost numerous bit-part players then I would have to say that any improvement in the squad is very marginal.

What is of greater concern is that the infra-structure of the club is completely hopeless and we have a clown for a manager.

2 wins in 18 games is kneejerk...

That's like a doctor hitting you on the knee with a hammer and you kicking him next week.

[chris]

Has it really?

We've swapped Jones for Dann effectively, bought a striker who's seen better days and signed a youth player for Sheffield United. We've also signed Petrovic who will presumably take time to get accustomed to the pace of the game over here. If you then add in that we've lost numerous bit-part players then I would have to say that any improvement in the squad is very marginal.

The questions that I need answering, are these cheap purchases really just average players that are cheap for a reason or are they (like most people seem to think) going to be hits and become 5-8 million pound players with in a year.

IF they all pay off then Keans done great, if not he shold be in trouble as the league will not lie.

He has purchased mostly gambles so very hard to say yes the squad has improved.

I think any time you spend less then what you sold, you worry a little,

[imy9]

First of all Dann is a 5-8 million pound player who just a few months back was values at 14 million by Brum, their money issues and our quick thinking has meant a brilliant bit of business for us.

Simon has had a major falling out with his coach and coupled with 1 year left on his deal has meant a bargain 2 million fee. I may be mistaken but I think Sporting paid over 2 million last year to buy 100% rights for the player,i think they only partpaid for him.

Petrovic was wanted by Roma, confirmed by our own Roberto, highly rated.

The rest of the signings in my eyes are the big gambles and the chances of working out are more limited,i am confident that the players mentioned will be 5-8 million players by the endof the season.

[broadsword]

Wow, I forgot about Vukcevic. I need a break.

I still think things are marginal. We're still low on Premiership experience and we did lose Phil Jones. I know Dann is highly rated. So even if we said that was a like-for-like, it really depends on these incoming players proving they can do the business in England.

I guess only time will tell.

[John]

I actually think things will get better on/off the field. Few critical weeks coming up.

[JAL]

Petrovic was wanted by Roma, confirmed by our own Roberto, highly rated.

Watching Petrovic against Everton was far from inspiring, as he passed the ball out of play under no pressure, passed the ball to an Everton player under no pressure, failed to track back as Falaini blazed over the bar from a good goalscoring opportunity, got cautioned for dragging an Everton player back lazily, and producing one of the weakest shots you'll probably see from distance.

But hey, time will tell. But it definitely isnt a good start from the lad then again maybe i'm being a bit unfair as we should be judging him from now on and not then my mistake.