[Archived] Steve Kean

[RibbleValleyRover]

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/09/04/kean-faces-battle-to-have-ewood-park-future-102039-23394092/

It does sound like he is a defeat or two away from getting sacked if that article is correct. Both Jones and Hughes would do a better job than the current manager, I would prefer Hughes out of the two but happy with either.

No wonder he has rushed to India, he's probably been 'notified' that everything isn't rosy and the owners might be looking to replace him.

[patrickvalery]

Some more fitting Smiths lyrics which don't even need to be tampered with.

The first couple of lines are probably the conversation our Kean had with Mr Anderson;

There's a club, if you'd like to go

You could meet someone who really loves you

So you go, and you stand on your own

And you leave on your own

And you go home

And you cry

And you want to die

[pick32]

got a £10 accume on for £2,500 (England (won), totenham, Arsenal, Villa, UTD, City, Chelsea and Blackburn) the only team i can see losing is Rovers so if we win we get 3 points and my wallet migth become abit heavier and if we lose Kean gets the sack. But of course all the other results will go my way then we will draw meaning Kean keeps his job and i lose.

[Bob Dewhurst]

Are you an idiot Abbey? Clearly if you think the smiths weren't any good

They were and still are one of, I'd argue, top 3 influential bands of all time. And that's fact not fiction

Oh and great work ballboy. Thinking of one for hang the dj

now

This is a football debate isn't it? And, saying fact, if you have a strong opinion on something, doesn't make it fact

[den]

Kean has his own squad and if he succeeds in the next couple of games- fair play, because it will mean that Rovers succeed, if not then he needs to go,

He's worked with the majority of players for a year or two. He's been in charge for 9 months and through two transfer windows. We hit relegation form under him last season and we have lost all three opening games, - two of them at home against poor sides.

If we lose the next two or three games, it will probably be too late. But hey, the sky hasn't fallen in and we need to keep giving him more chances. If we do get relegated and that's more than possible, I guess people will say give him a chance to bring us up again.

[imy9]

He's worked with the majority of players for a year or two. He's been in charge for 9 months and through two transfer windows. We hit relegation form under him last season and we have lost all three opening games, - two of them at home against poor sides.

If we lose the next two or three games, it will probably be too late. But hey, the sky hasn't fallen in and we need to keep giving him more chances. If we do get relegated and that's more than possible, I guess people will say give him a chance to bring us up again.

You have misunderstood what I said.

What excuse can Kean come up with now?

We are in a win win situation now, if he does well then we are succeeding as a club, if he continues to do badly-which is what I expect then he will be fired, is that not reason to be cheerful?

[den]

You have misunderstood what I said.

What excuse can Kean come up with now?

We are in a win win situation now, if he does well then we are succeeding as a club, if he continues to do badly-which is what I expect then he will be fired, is that not reason to be cheerful?

No imy, because it will mean we've left it too late. That's why 8.5 people out of every 10 want him sacked now. Keeping him as long as we have has shortened the odds against us being relegated.

My point really was against this idea that this is now Kean's team. It's been his team since he took charge. There are no excuses for the results obtained under him.

[imy9]

I want him sacked now too!

however the owners have chosen not to previously, so the fact that they are now going to do it potentially after the Fulham game is a positive.

4 games down with 34 to go is not too late at all.

I want him sacked now too!

however the owners have chosen not to previously, so the fact that they are now going to do it potentially after the Fulham game is a positive.

4 games down with 34 to go is not too late at all.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

He's worked with the majority of players for a year or two. He's been in charge for 9 months and through two transfer windows. We hit relegation form under him last season and we have lost all three opening games, - two of them at home against poor sides.

If we lose the next two or three games, it will probably be too late. But hey, the sky hasn't fallen in and we need to keep giving him more chances. If we do get relegated and that's more than possible, I guess people will say give him a chance to bring us up again.

Unlike many I don't have anything personally against Kean - whatever is failings as a manager I feel he has always given 100%. Until all the rumours are substantiated (like players picking the side etc) - I will continue to take them with a pinch of salt.

His record is awful - but he has attempted to radically change the way we play. It looked like it was coming together towards the end of last season. The first three matches of the season would have been difficult for any manager given our central defence problems and inability to hit the back of the net from penalties.

He has also had to deal with tampering with player purchases - constant changes to the budget. He is often labled a liar - but often I think he is being led a merry dance by our owners and their ever changing minds. A more experienced manager would possibly have been more cautious in his statements - but I think he has often been left exposed by our owners.

Personally I would give him two or three matches at the absolute most. No more excuses - he now has in the personnel to turn things around - the only thing under question is his ability to tactically set up the team and motivate it. So - no more excuses - deliver or do the honourable thing.

As for two or three more matches being too late - what rubbish, providing our owners have somebody decent lined up to take over - and don't leave us drifting as they did post Sam (as a write that - you may be right - but that is only a reflection of our owners track record).

[onlyonejackwalker]

No imy, because it will mean we've left it too late. That's why 8.5 people out of every 10 want him sacked now. Keeping him as long as we have has shortened the odds against us being relegated.

What a ridiculous set of cirumstances we have engineered at the club.

Remove experienced pro, recruit useless novice.

Useless novice manager then in charge way too long. Nearly relegated.

Useless novice manager allowed all pre-season to prepare the team.

Useless novice manager allowed to oversea the start of this season. Bottom of the league with zero points after 3 played.

Useless novice manager given company funds to recruit players.

Useless novice manager then given more time to see how new players perform. (Common sense and understandable in normal circumstances).

However, common sense has not been used at anytime previously with regards to this employee, or he would NEVER have been given the job. Give Kean the Fulham, Arsenal, Newcastle and City games and we may well be in such a poor position points wise that any new manager would struggle to rectify the situation and our relegation cards would be marked.

Kean must go, but that will only create more confusion and uncertainty and I am sure his new recruitments would then be very unsettled and wary. Great isn't it!

Round and round we go.

Still we must start somewhere and the only thing immediately beneficial to the club would be to fully unite the fans.

Kean out - Unite the fans - Experienced man to come in - Take it from there.

[den]

His record is awful - but he has attempted to radically change the way we play.

Yep, from knowing how to win a game.

The first three matches of the season would have been difficult for any manager given our central defence problems and inability to hit the back of the net from penalties.

If the first three games were difficult, the next ones will be impossible.

He has also had to deal with tampering with player purchases

Good job he didn't have Sam's negative budget then.

He is often labled a liar - but often I think he is being led a merry dance by our owners and their ever changing minds.

He shouldn't stand for it then. No other manager would. Apart from the fact that he is a liar.

Personally I would give him two or three matches at the absolute most. No more excuses - he now has in the personnel to turn things around - the only thing under question is his ability to tactically set up the team and motivate it.

Three more losses and it will be too late. 32 games left with 40 points needed? it would take Champions league form for rovers to manage that.

As for two or three more matches being too late - what rubbish, providing our owners have somebody decent lined up to take over

See above. Lose the first 6 games and it will be too late.

All in my opinion mind.

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

I think Steve will be judged on his team selections and results more than his transfer business.

6 players in. 4 out of those: Vuckevic; International, Goodwillie; Young international, Petrovic; International, Yakubu; Experienced International.

Scott Dann has the expensive Prem experience, and Slew is a highly rated youngster.

That's around 16m. We sold Jones for 16m (8m upfront) and Kalinic for 6m.. Yes, things could have been different, we still look a little light up the top of the pitch (considering we have Dunn, Hoilett, Formica and Rochina who can play second striker) we only have 2 experienced out and out strikers.

To sum all that up - To me, you have to take your hat off to Venkys. I cannot recall a transfer window in the last 5 years where we have spent the bulk of our incomings. With Rochina and Formica costing around 5m in January, Venkys have spent some of their own cash on the club which is a massive positive (something that we expect them to do, but just look around at a few clubs bigger/more viable than us who have had no investment)

Back to the point; We now can safely judge Kean on his results, because he has absolutley no excuses now. I am one of the glass half full merchants, so I am prepared to give SK the benefit of the doubt in terms of his first 6 months in charge. Replacing an experienced manager, under new owners is always a difficult task; especially when a lot of your senior players come out in "revolt". You could say that he only kept us up on the points SA accrued early season but then you could also say that his decision to sign JJ on loan almost saved us on it's own

He has his own players now, he has his own staff. He has had plenty of time for the players to know what he wants and we are entering "last chance saloon". Losing 3 games on the spin is an awful start to the season. I would suggest that his team selections didn't help what was a dire situation in terms of defensive injuries. If he can replicate the performance against Everton - adding to our defensive and attacking capabilities we may just suprise a few people this season. I think we have a great home game in Arsenal coming up, which normally scare me to death, but this is obviously a good time to play them.

Results will save Kean. My only worry is he will carry on selecting Pedersen and Dunn - who in my opinion; have been well below standard in the short time I have seen them this season. Dunny is on a rapid slope in my eyes. I get the feeling that SK will carry on utilising Dunn in a 442 whilst he is fit, and I think this is suicide. He does not have the capability in terms of engine (see JJ) to cope with this position. When Petrovic came on in the Everton game (Besides a few mistakes that JAL seems to have only seen) we looked stronger through the middle of the park. Everton had to resort to using the flanks.

The future needs consistency - firstly from the owners in terms of media, and secondly in terms of management. Surely those who beleive Sacking Steve Kean after 3 games have forgotten what sacking Big Sam did to our performances. Also, even if we lost the first 10 games, that would leave 28 games; plenty of time to finish mid table nevermind avoid relegation. With the squad we have, as I said previously, SK has no excuses now. If his team selections don't lead to improving results soon though, he will be walked into the Rao backyard and given thee old "yeller" treatment.

I personally hate the irony of the past 12 months - The good football or results debate is surely over...

[Mattyblue]

Chopping and changing managers is not normally a recipe for success Artist, but sometimes needs must. Did chopping Ince harm the club?

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

Chopping and changing managers is not normally a recipe for success Artist, but sometimes needs must. Did chopping Ince harm the club?

Ince had 17 games of a new season, winning 3 - We sacked him after those and we stayed up. Also that summer we signed Paul Robinson, Danny Simpson (Loan), Vince Grella, Carlos Villanueva (Loan), Robbie Fowler, Mark Bunn and Keith Andrews. Surely, (other than Paul Robinson) the worst summer transfer business of all time?

[philipl]

Under Sam we beat Everton and Wolves at home last season.

Under Kean we lost to Everton and Wolves at home this season.

Without those 6 points we would have gone down last season.

Sod the the emotiuonalo arguments about Kean being a liar etc, just looking at the cold statistics, his points per game haul last season were appreciably WORSE than Sam's and Kean relied on Sam'sw decent start to keep us up.

Kean now no longer has a vastly superior manager's point inheritance in the bank and he is already -6 to Sam out of the first 9 points available this season.

Never mind any waiting around for divali, the lights are full on now pointing the way to relegation under Kean.

If we dither and wait to fail to beat Fulham, we are going down under Kean.

If we dither and wait to fail to beat Arsenal, we are going down under Kean.

Repeat ad nauseum.

[yoda]

Are you an idiot Abbey? Clearly if you think the smiths weren't any good

They were and still are one of, I'd argue, top 3 influential bands of all time. And that's fact not fiction

Oh and great work ballboy. Thinking of one for hang the dj now

More influential than the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Genisis (original) Doors, Jimmy Hendrix, David Bowie, Davis byrne !

don't think so

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

Under Sam we beat Everton and Wolves at home last season.

Under Kean we lost to Everton and Wolves at home this season.

Without those 6 points we would have gone down last season.

Sod the the emotiuonalo arguments about Kean being a liar etc, just looking at the cold statistics, his points per game haul last season were appreciably WORSE than Sam's and Kean relied on Sam'sw decent start to keep us up.

Kean now no longer has a vastly superior manager's point inheritance in the bank and he is already -6 to Sam out of the first 9 points available this season.

Never mind any waiting around for divali, the lights are full on now pointing the way to relegation under Kean.

If we dither and wait to fail to beat Fulham, we are going down under Kean.

If we dither and wait to fail to beat Arsenal, we are going down under Kean.

Repeat ad nauseum.

By the same logic, Blackpool would have won the league last season, Burnley the year before, Hull the year before that, Ipswich a few years before that, Charlton etc etc etc

I'll respect your argument more Phil, if your having to say the same thing after 10 games

[yoda]

To 'The Beatles' and 'Paper Back Writer'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k_gffDCuYE&feature=fvst

Sack the drink driver (Sack the drink driver)

Dear Mrs Desai, why employ a crook?

Get rid of Steve Kean, tell him to sling his hook

It's based on a results, worst since Ince was here

Take away his job, so we want you to sack the drink driver,

Sack the drink driver!

We want to see the back of Kentaro’s man

Brother Balaji doesn't understand.

The guy is working for that thief Jerome,

Don’t deserve the job, so we want you to sack the drink driver,

Sack the drink driver!

Sack the drink driver (Sack the drink driver)

It's a thousand losses, give or take a few,

We’ll still be bottom in a week or two.

We appreciate you giving us some style,

Time to change it round, so we want you to sack the drink driver,

Sack the drink driver.

If you really like him you can see him right,

Give the tw@t a million to get out of sight.

We know how he’ll spend it, it will be on beer

Then claim he’s been spiked, so we want you to sack the drink driver,

Sack the drink driver.

Sack the drink driver (Sack the drink driver)

Sack the drink driver - Sack the drink driver

Sack the drink driver - Sack the drink driver

Thats Peter Cucumber standard

[phili]

Ince had 17 games of a new season, winning 3 - We sacked him after those and we stayed up. Also that summer we signed Paul Robinson, Danny Simpson (Loan), Vince Grella, Carlos Villanueva (Loan), Robbie Fowler, Mark Bunn and Keith Andrews. Surely, (other than Paul Robinson) the worst summer transfer business of all time?

You only class them as the worst transfers now, afteral apart from Fowler and Andrews, we signed potential that did not work out. Although we had a squad full of experience so could gamble on potential. Same could very well be said about this summer we have signed potential that may or may not work out.

[philipl]

By the same logic, Blackpool would have won the league last season, Burnley the year before, Hull the year before that, Ipswich a few years before that, Charlton etc etc etc

I'll respect your argument more Phil, if your having to say the same thing after 10 games

Which Championship ground should we meet up at in 2012/3 for you to buy me a drink?

You only class them as the worst transfers now, afteral apart from Fowler and Andrews, we signed potential that did not work out. Although we had a squad full of experience so could gamble on potential. Same could very well be said about this summer we have signed potential that may or may not work out.

But we have a far weaker core squad to fall back on i9f this summer's gamble buys don't work out.

[47er]

. He is often labled a liar

That's because he is a liar and provably so.

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

Which Championship ground should we meet up at in 2012/3 for you to buy me a drink?

I'll meet you in 2013/2014 at Crawley if you want.

Would you prefer us to stay up? or be relegated to get a free pint?

[47er]

By the same logic, Blackpool would have won the league last season, Burnley the year before, Hull the year before that, Ipswich a few years before that, Charlton etc etc etc

I'll respect your argument more Phil, if your having to say the same thing after 10 games

Don't you fear 10 games could leave us marooned?

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

Don't you fear 10 games could leave us marooned?

See my post regarding Ince's failed tenure. He went after 17 games!

[philipl]

I'll meet you in 2013/2014 at Crawley if you want.

Would you prefer us to stay up? or be relegated to get a free pint?

Far rather stay up but we have to fire Kean immediately to do so.