[Archived] The Relegation Thread

[Pedro]

I think Venkys have made their decision, or rather they've decided that there isn't a decision to be made. It looks like we're stuck with what we've got, and we're just going to have to put up with it.

All we can do now is carry on supporting the team to the best of our ability.

I'm not sure if anyone else saw this but yesterday Charlie Nicholas implied on SSN that the Venkys had given Kean until xmas to sort things out or at the very least remain in contact with the rest of the table until then. He also mentioned that if we became seperated from the rest of the table he thouht he'd be gone (sorry but I can't remember word for word what was said).

I'm led to believe that Nicholas and Kean are buddies or connected in some way (someone can clear that up I'm sure) and it seemed to me that he'd let slip something he was personally aware of.

[Kelbo]

I'm not sure if anyone else saw this but yesterday Charlie Nicholas implied on SSN that the Venkys had given Kean until xmas to sort things out or at the very least remain in contact with the rest of the table until then. He also mentioned that if we became seperated from the rest of the table he thouht he'd be gone (sorry but I can't remember word for word what was said).

I'm led to believe that Nicholas and Kean are buddies or connected in some way (someone can clear that up I'm sure) and it seemed to me that he'd let slip something he was personally aware of.

They are both SEN/Kentaro clients, so there is a connection, but Christmas would be too late and this is where we have a problem, a poor manager and poor owners!!

[AllRoverAsia]

I'm not sure if anyone else saw this but yesterday Charlie Nicholas implied on SSN that the Venkys had given Kean until xmas to sort things out or at the very least remain in contact with the rest of the table until then. He also mentioned that if we became seperated from the rest of the table he thouht he'd be gone (sorry but I can't remember word for word what was said). I'm led to believe that Nicholas and Kean are buddies or connected in some way (someone can clear that up I'm sure) and it seemed to me that he'd let slip something he was personally aware of.

How would Venkys judge our being ''separated from the rest of the table'' - they know nowt about football. I'm almost convinced that the Raos don't know about relegation and that it involves the bottom 3 teams.

They could also be confused when Kean always says 'bottoms up'' to them?

[47er]

I think Venkys have made their decision, or rather they've decided that there isn't a decision to be made. It looks like we're stuck with what we've got, and we're just going to have to put up with it.

All we can do now is carry on supporting the team to the best of our ability.

Is that really "all we can do now"? I think you'll find others will make different decisions.

Some will carry on the protests. Others will stay away.

[den]

Statistics??? Statistics are the analysis of events that have actually happened - you merely made a prediction Den, a prediction that I don't think will happen because statistically, Rovers (over the course of a season) have never failed to obtain at least a point from at least one of the teams you have mentioned in that list.

I notice you avoided this point. I guess you didn't read it properly:

let's say we lose any 9 games from the remaining fixtures.

If I'd have wanted to make predictions Pedro, I would have put a few W,D and L's at the side of some games. I deliberately avoided that.

I was suggesting that we would very likely lose another 9 games this season. Possibly the 9 games that I outlined, but if we lost say 6 or 7 of those games, we would likely lose two or three others as well.

I'm trying to make the point of how serious the situation really is, by using games where hardly anyone - including fans and bookmakers - would give us anything other than long odds to get even a draw. So no, I haven't made one single prediction.

So facts - if we lose another 9 games this season, which seems very likely, that would mean half of the entire seasons fixtures would give us 6 points. We would then need another 34 points from the remaining 19 games. Could any team recover from that, or more importantly could Steve Kean recover from that?

I can't be any clearer and don't understand what there is to argue about.

That's what we are confronted with.

[Hughesy]

Last 19 league games

Kean - 17 pts

Coyle - 12 pts

Make no mistake Bolton should be worried....No good them talking about having to play all the big teams, especially when they have just lost to Swansea, Sunderland & Norwich

I just hope Stoke dont have another European hangover!

Wigan with 8 straight losses also need to stop the rot soon.

[Mattyblue]

Had a look over at The Wanderer, they are pretty much in agreement that Moses has to go as well.

But they are 'gems', I tell thee!

[ABBEY]

The time to go is most certainly before the international break as even the most optimistic fan cant see us getting anything against chelsea...get someone in plenty of time for the next game Wigan away a must win 6 pointer.don't win @ the DW and the Championship will defo be beckoning

How many breaks now is it? He's going nowhere

[den]

How many breaks now is it? He's going nowhere

Under any other club structure Abbey, he'd be gone well before now.

That's the problem, the way Venky's have structured things. I wonder why?

[rebelmswar]

Under any other club structure Abbey, he'd be gone well before now.

That's the problem, the way Venky's have structured things. I wonder why?

I wonder also.

If we get relegated, and that if is becoming more a when with every passing game, I hope all of those who thought it unseemly to protest and just support the team get behind a very spirited campaign for an investigation.

There is treachery afoot at Ewood, even bumbling morons can not be this inept.

There HAS to be a reason and that reason is always money.

[rog of the rovers]

Where Rovers will to be by the end of 2011?

Chelsea (h) - Not beaten Chelsea at home since Hughes' era. Hope to nick a point but - Loss P11 Pts 6

Wigan (a) - Not beaten Wigan at the DW since New Years Day 2007. Six pointer in November - Draw P12 Pts 7

Stoke (a) - Record at the Britannia P3 L3 F0 A5 Pts 0 - Loss P13 Pts 7

Swansea (h) - Must win, if you want to stay in the division - Win P14 Pts 10

Sunderland (a) - Not won at Stadium of Light since 2007, Sunderland under pressure as well - Draw P15 Pts 11

West Brom (h) - Undefeated against West Brom under Kean! (WOW) - Win P16 Pts 14

Bolton (h) - Another vital game, another six pointer - Win P17 Pts 17

Liverpool (a) - Little chance of a win, Rovers have a very poor record at Anfield - Loss P18 Pts 17

Manchester United (a) - No chance, anything under 7 would be an improvement! - Loss P19 Pts 17

[LeChuck]

Swansea (h) - Must win, if you want to stay in the division - Win P14 Pts 10

Sunderland (a) - Not won at Stadium of Light since 2007, Sunderland under pressure as well - Draw P15 Pts 11

West Brom (h) - Undefeated against West Brom under Kean! (WOW) - Win P16 Pts 14

Bolton (h) - Another vital game, another six pointer - Win P17 Pts 17

I don't think we'll go on a run of 3 wins and a draw at any stage under Kean's stewardship.

In isolation those results all perfectly plausible, but when grouped together it's incredibly unlikely.

[Waggy76]

How grim does the table look. A gap is already opening up. If Kean stays much longer we'll be down by Christmas

I fear we are already down !!! We survived last season thanks to the previous manager ,this time around we have no such luxury and will be relegated ..Because it appears kean is un sackable ...

[Steve Moss]

Where Rovers will to be by the end of 2011?

Chelsea (h) - Not beaten Chelsea at home since Hughes' era. Hope to nick a point but - Loss P11 Pts 6

Wigan (a) - Not beaten Wigan at the DW since New Years Day 2007. Six pointer in November - Draw P12 Pts 7

Stoke (a) - Record at the Britannia P3 L3 F0 A5 Pts 0 - Loss P13 Pts 7

Swansea (h) - Must win, if you want to stay in the division - Win P14 Pts 10

Sunderland (a) - Not won at Stadium of Light since 2007, Sunderland under pressure as well - Draw P15 Pts 11

West Brom (h) - Undefeated against West Brom under Kean! (WOW) - Win P16 Pts 14

Bolton (h) - Another vital game, another six pointer - Win P17 Pts 17

Liverpool (a) - Little chance of a win, Rovers have a very poor record at Anfield - Loss P18 Pts 17

Manchester United (a) - No chance, anything under 7 would be an improvement! - Loss P19 Pts 17

I think this analysis is spot on, under normal circumstances. I also think a competent, experienced manager would get us those 17 points, and might steal another 2-3 points as well. That manager, unfortunately, is not Kean.

Allowing for Kean's bad luck, I believe he'll blow one or three of those games and we'll actually be on 12-15 points come Christmas under his management. We'll be staring down both barrells and with only an outside shot of making up the difference even if we brought in an ace.

[Sparky Marky]

They'll sack him when its too late, then they'll replace him with some weird and wonderful manager who wont have aclue about the championship. We're doomed...clueless

[rebelmswar]

They'll sack him when its too late, then they'll replace him with some weird and wonderful manager who wont have aclue about the championship. We're doomed...clueless

Does anyone for a second believe that they will spend all of the money needed to sustain us, when we have fallen out from under the Sky umbrella and have become, by then, a failed investment?

Brockhall Hatcheries I can foresee.

[Audax]

I'm no expert but as others have said, 10 games have been played, 6 points, 10 games is a bit over a quarter of all games played. I remember only a few years ago, when Derby anchored down the division and ended with 11 points, I say that because by chance, I was looking at all the tables for the past several years at year end. It's a hard road to hoe. I'm so often an optimist and I admit naive at times but that's about all, checking my math this afternoon.

[philipl]

We are coming up to a whole season of Kean. The chap's league record reads:

P32 W6 D10 L16 F37 A56 Pts28. (Thanks Mercer)

This overall record is actually significantly better pro rata than what he is achieving so far this season:

P11 W1 D3 L7 F13 A24 Pts6

Kean's points per game ratio has actually HALVED this season compared with last season from a little over a miserable 1 to a truly catastrophic 0.5.

So even if we give Kean the benefit of the doubt and say something was unusual about the first 11 games, he has to double his points per game performance this season just to lift this season to Kean's overall average (and distinctly average/mediocre at that) of 0.9 points per game in the PL.

I hardly need to add that over a 38 game season, 0.9 points per game yields 34 points and certain relegation.

34 points would at least be respectable compared with the current 19 points we are heading for if there is no improvement over the first 11 games.

[bennyboyt11]

We're good as down, call me pessimistic but there is absolutely no chance we're staying up with this man in charge.

[philipl]

We're good as down, call me pessimistic but there is absolutely no chance we're staying up with this man in charge.

I am afraid you are right.

[Miker]

If Wolves win today, we are as good down. 5 points from safety isn't a good position to be in, even this early in the season.

Surely if we fail to beat Wigan then Kean has to be sacked regardless of what anyone thinks.

[DE.]

If Wolves win today, we are as good down. 5 points from safety isn't a good position to be in, even this early in the season.

Surely if we fail to beat Wigan then Kean has to be sacked regardless of what anyone thinks.

You'd hope so mate, but you get the feeling it'll be the same old story. We'll play okay, have some 'luck' go against us... and there will be the usual "we're turning a corner" "it's a matter of time until we start picking up results" "you can't blame Kean for bad luck" excuses all over again. Venky's will stay true to Stevie Kean (for reasons that may or may not be totally football related) and the infighting at the club will continue

[broadsword]

If Wolves win today, we are as good down. 5 points from safety isn't a good position to be in, even this early in the season.

Surely if we fail to beat Wigan then Kean has to be sacked regardless of what anyone thinks.

Isn't it 4? But practically 5 if youy consider goal difference.

[Athlete]

Martinez at wigan is talking same rubbish as Kean about playing well and luck yet they've had 7 defeats on the bounce

[USABlue]

They'll sack him when its too late, then they'll replace him with some weird and wonderful manager who wont have aclue about the championship. We're doomed...clueless

Gut feeling is Venky's will keep Kean, see us relegated then be off.

If Wolves win today, we are as good down. 5 points from safety isn't a good position to be in, even this early in the season.

Surely if we fail to beat Wigan then Kean has to be sacked regardless of what anyone thinks.

I hope the players don't throw in the towel so easy. I think we will be relegated but there are going to be some twists yet. Kean is going nowhere, sadly.