[Archived] The Relegation Thread

[92er]

Did Coco/JA feed him that? I remember Gally as quite feisty but 'his' column in the LT and on comments on the radio have made me re-think my views.

The perpesctive Gallagher was coming out with was more critical than perhaps I have made it sound.

Although at the start of the match he seemed to be somewhat critical of spectators not getting behind Kean now that Venky's have improved his contract, by the end of the match he appeared to have changed his tune.

He was saying that the performance was really poor and he either said, or agreed with the statement, that he hadn't seen a poorer team than us in the Premiership.

In a summing up, he put over the perspective about the number of games you had to win just to catch up, and from what I remember, he allied what was needed to Kean's current run of form to suggest it was highly unlikely Kean would be able to do the necessary.

I agree with your comments in the LT, but, together with Hicksons' comments about the Club, I speculate that at long last Radio Lancs are starting to change their tune.

[philipl]

Radio Lancs not having a PL club on their patch will be quite a blow to them I would imagine so the self-interest of the Blackburn media will now work against Kean to an increasing extent.

[rovermagic]

We nearly went down with the two Joneses last year. Without them we are dead certs. Last year Kean gave Hoilett and Olsson a chance, brought in Rochina and got J Jones on loan. This year not only the Joneses gone, but Emerton too. And Salgado finished. Dunny finally finished too. For Kean a step up would have been to become a Championship assistant manager. How can he have been expected to make the acquisitions of a PL manager?

I'm afraid we are now as good as a mid to lower table Championship team. Hanley is not even a decent League Two player. We are far and away the worst team in the Prem. We await relegation and receivership. Probably not liquidation.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Anyone else think the famous Derby total (Lowest in Premier League history) might be achievable? They were officially relegated in March (another record) during the 2007/8 season:

P-38

W-1

D-8

L-29

GF-20

GA-89

Pts- 11

[Mattyblue]

We've been in a number of relegtion battles over the years and I honestly never thought we would actually drop- even last season, I believed Sam's buffer would be enough.

However, from day one this season I could just not see Kean getting us 40 points and now I am resigned to it.

I've accepted it, but I will never forgive or forget the key figures of the last 12 months.

[yorkblue]

I am not worried about relegation this season because if Kean stays in place - which seems certain then we will be relagated without a doubt. You can only worry when there is uncertainty and you don't know the outcome. What really worries me is next season because Kean will still be here, Venkys will still be here, our better players will have long gone, the full-backs will be Anderson and Ribeiro and I suspect a long hard battle to avoid League 1.

The most amazing thing is that despite the cr*p Kean puts out and his totally delusional ineptitude we are only 4 points adrift. Even now it is not too late to have a chance if that nutter is replaced with someone else right now to take maximum advantage of our next few matches. That someone else doesn't need to be a Hiddink or an Ancelotti, just a decent manager who knows how to organise a team and set it up in a sensible tactical way.

[Andy]

What I have found frustrating about the inevitable relegation is that the writing was clearly on the wall since Kean took over.

He had Sam's points buffer last season and still nearly took us down, only just staying up on the last day of the season.

And then all of this season, irrespective of a couple of half-decent performances (where we still lost anyway), we've looked 100% relegation certs.

Yet, even as recent a couple of weeks back, some fans were amazingly backing the decision to give Kean more time - some on the wind-up, some claiming they wanted to provide 'balanced opinions' and some genuinely believing that Kean is capable of keeping this side in the Premier League.

Until Kean is sacked and we appoint a football manager in his place, we will be in the Championship next year.

[Stuart]

I am not worried about relegation this season because if Kean stays in place - which seems certain then we will be relagated without a doubt. You can only worry when there is uncertainty and you don't know the outcome. What really worries me is next season because Kean will still be here, Venkys will still be here, our better players will have long gone, the full-backs will be Anderson and Ribeiro and I suspect a long hard battle to avoid League 1.

The most amazing thing is that despite the cr*p Kean puts out and his totally delusional ineptitude we are only 4 points adrift. Even now it is not too late to have a chance if that nutter is replaced with someone else right now to take maximum advantage of our next few matches. That someone else doesn't need to be a Hiddink or an Ancelotti, just a decent manager who knows how to organise a team and set it up in a sensible tactical way.

Your first paragraph is definitely the worry. This January is going to be the worst one so far since Venkys took over. Of for the heady days of moaning about how tight and shortsighted the Trust were.

The first sentence of your second paragraph is, ironical, probably what Kean is saying to the owners that is keeping him in a job!

[AllRoverAsia]

I am not worried about relegation this season because if Kean stays in place - which seems certain then we will be relagated without a doubt. You can only worry when there is uncertainty and you don't know the outcome. What really worries me is next season because Kean will still be here, Venkys will still be here, our better players will have long gone, the full-backs will be Anderson and Ribeiro and I suspect a long hard battle to avoid League 1.

The most amazing thing is that despite the cr*p Kean puts out and his totally delusional ineptitude we are only 4 points adrift. Even now it is not too late to have a chance if that nutter is replaced with someone else right now to take maximum advantage of our next few matches. That someone else doesn't need to be a Hiddink or an Ancelotti, just a decent manager who knows how to organise a team and set it up in a sensible tactical way.

Probably that's what the real owner wants - Myles Anderson playing first team football and doesn't care in which division. It will look so good on Myles CV when he becomes a football agent. Real life is always stranger than fiction.

You are right about only being 4 points adrift and that a reasonable manager could get us out of the crap. There are 8 to 10 Clubs in the PL who are only average and we, on a good day, are amongst them.

If the Raos/Desai truly own us how can they in all good conscience sit idly bye. I suspect that they do not even watch games on TV and certainly have no one scouring messageboards to gauge fan opinion. Their only source of info is the devil Kean who is even trying to make yesterdays fiasco look like a success.

If the Raos/Desai do own us they they are treating us in line with their culture as lower class serfs and that it would be completely wrong for them to even listen to us. They have been brought us in the Indian/Asian way to treat us with contempt. If we had been bought by the inmates of an insane asylum we would have been managed better.

The 3 Rao siblings are trash and should be treated as such.

[RovertheHill]

so why'd you keep quiet like a doormouse?

As opposed to you with your fantastic FF-resign-en-masse suggestions? Jog on

[Steve Moss]

The 3 Rao siblings are trash and should be treated as such.

This I agree with.

[philipl]

Probably that's what the real owner wants - Myles Anderson playing first team football and doesn't care in which division. It will look so good on Myles CV when he becomes a football agent. Real life is always stranger than fiction.

You are right about only being 4 points adrift and that a reasonable manager could get us out of the crap. There are 8 to 10 Clubs in the PL who are only average and we, on a good day, are amongst them.

If the Raos/Desai truly own us how can they in all good conscience sit idly bye. I suspect that they do not even watch games on TV and certainly have no one scouring messageboards to gauge fan opinion. Their only source of info is the devil Kean who is even trying to make yesterdays fiasco look like a success.

If the Raos/Desai do own us they they are treating us in line with their culture as lower class serfs and that it would be completely wrong for them to even listen to us. They have been brought us in the Indian/Asian way to treat us with contempt. If we had been bought by the inmates of an insane asylum we would have been managed better.

The 3 Rao siblings are trash and should be treated as such.

This analysis is probably desperately close to the truth.

[Clitherover]

Probably that's what the real owner wants - Myles Anderson playing first team football and doesn't care in which division. It will look so good on Myles CV when he becomes a football agent. Real life is always stranger than fiction.

He'd get roasted ten times whatever Andrews got if he ever even dared set foot on a pitch in a Rovers shirt.

[Emge]

He'd get roasted ten times whatever Andrews got if he ever even dared set foot on a pitch in a Rovers shirt.

Just the thought of the fact that Jerome The Devil Andersons son is actually being paid by Blackburn Rovers Football Club is a disgrace!

[den]

OK, so we still have fans who believe this current position can still be easily turned around. Indeed, some suggest we can get to January before making any changes and still stay in this league.

We have 25 games to play.

We need another 33 points to reach 40 points for the season.

We are currently averaging pretty well half a point per game.

If you assume all the other fixtures are equally winnable, we need to move from half a point per game, to 1.3 points per game.

However, if you look at our remaining fixtures, these include these games:

Liverpool A

Man Utd A

Arsenal A

Manchester City A

Man Utd H

Liverpool H

Chelsea A

Tottenham A.

In all honesty, we could quite easily lose all of these games. If we were to win a couple of those games, we would most likely lose two more from somewhere else on the fixture list. Either way, we look very likely, in my opinion, to lose at least another 8 games this season and that makes a huge difference.

If we do lose 8 of our remaining games, then from the other 17 remaining games, we would need 33 points. Virtually 2 points per game, which can be shown as needing to win every home game and drawing every away game. Not just European qualification form, but virtually championship winning form.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I agree Den. Looking at the fixtures remaining and the form we have shown during the entire Kean reign we are going down. The owners have left it far too late.

[Mc Love]

I think the sooner everyone realises the fact that with kean at the helm, we are goin to be relegated, the better.

If it comes to it, and a proven manager is employed soon, then and only then will we have a chance of staying up, but the likelihood of that is rare

[Emge]

Time is on our side

This is just pathetic to read. He is so desperate to keep the job, that he he twisting the truth as hard as he can. He is looking for every possible stat that can back him. It really is pathetic!

This article is obviously meant for one person to read; Mrs Sh!t

[Mercer]

Kean likes stats so how about this:

In PL history, the bottom team going into December (and we are) has been relegated on every occasion other than twice (Everton & WBA) in the 19 years of PL football history.

Even if Kean goes now, particularly given the fixtures outlined in an earlier post, I think it will take a miracle for us to escape.

[John]

Even if we were to make these “reinforcement signings“ in January, they are unlikely to join until the later part of the month which means more games slip by plus we could be cut even further adrift so would be little point spending any money.

[Redrose49er]

Face facts, Steve Kean will NOT get sacked, he has just been rewarded with an improved contract, he is being rewarded for protecting the ownership and is basically the fall guy. The Phil Jones money appears to have been banked. I fear that the club will get relegated and the present owners will pocket the £16m parachute payment, the c£18m for Jones and sell Samba and Hoilett in January/June (c£15m between them). That's the best part of £50m in roughly 18 months, excellent business on behalf of the owners. This proud club has existed for 136 years, it could be ruined in just 18 months. Talk of new signings etc is nonsense, there appears to be no investment (surely July/August was the time spend?), new players would be foolish to sign for a club destined for the drop and who would want to play for Kean? 7 points from 13 games to date, that's a 20 point season. 40 points for 'safety' requires 33 from 25, 9 wins, 6 draws, 10 losses? This club has won 12 matches out of 51 over the past two seasons, losing 25. I might be talking rubbish but deep down I'm sure many would agree, at least when Leeds went belly up they gambled on the future, does this club have a future???

[bannedwidth]

OK, so we still have fans who believe this current position can still be easily turned around. Indeed, some suggest we can get to January before making any changes and still stay in this league.

We have 25 games to play.

We need another 33 points to reach 40 points for the season.

We are currently averaging pretty well half a point per game.

If you assume all the other fixtures are equally winnable, we need to move from half a point per game, to 1.3 points per game.

However, if you look at our remaining fixtures, these include these games:

Liverpool A

Man Utd A

Arsenal A

Manchester City A

Man Utd H

Liverpool H

Chelsea A

Tottenham A.

In all honesty, we could quite easily lose all of these games. If we were to win a couple of those games, we would most likely lose two more from somewhere else on the fixture list. Either way, we look very likely, in my opinion, to lose at least another 8 games this season and that makes a huge difference.

If we do lose 8 of our remaining games, then from the other 17 remaining games, we would need 33 points. Virtually 2 points per game, which can be shown as needing to win every home game and drawing every away game. Not just European qualification form, but virtually championship winning form.

Exactly. We are down now there's no way back even with a real manager in charge its disgusting what's happened but it is what it is. Hate Venkys hate kean hate Jerome A. IWDOTA.

[jim mk2]

Has anyone had the feeling that some seasons some clubs are destined to go down, as if the Gods have marked their cards before a ball is kicked and decided to make all the luck go against them ? Portsmouth two seasons ago and West Ham last year are cases in point - nothing went right for them and they looked relegation certainties from the first day of the season.

Watching MotD and Cahill's unjustified sending-off everything seems to be going against Bolton and Owen Coyle's team could well be going down. Our penalty misfortune against Everton and the farce at Norwich also point to our luck being out this season - Kean's incompetence notwithstanding of course.

Now I know some people will say that you make your own luck and the club has brought misfortune on itself over the past 12 months but I just have this feeling that even if we change manager our destiny has been pre-determined and we will be relegated this season.

[DE.]

I'd say Wigan are dead certs to go down this year - they've not even had huge amounts of bad luck like ourselves and Bolton, they're just crap (also I wouldn't say the pen we got in our match against them was bad luck, their player booted Robbo in the head!).

As for the others... the signs do look ominous for Bolton but for some reason I think they'll get out of it.

With a different manager we would have a slim chance of survival up to a point(which may have already passed), but with Kean in charge absolutely none. It'll be Wigan, Rovers and Swansea at the end of the season IMO, and we won't be seeing Premiership football for a looooong time afterwards.

[Blue blood]

I honestly think that without Kean we have a good shout at surviving.

Looking at the game on Saturday Swansea are a much worse team than us. They seem to have less depth, loads of fragility, and given that the momentum of last season will wear off, I don't think that they've enough points.

Bolton are really struggling, have had a horrific time with injuries and generally despite a decent squad nothing is going right. With us there are obvious answers (no. 1 being Kean out but also protect the full backs, teach the midfield to tackle etc.)

Wigan - they look terrible. They look a worse side than us, and even under Keans leadership and with us down to 10 men they couldn't finish us off.

So realistically it's a 4 horse race of which only 1 can survive. If we had a good manager I think despite the damage done, that given we have a better team than all three of those mentioned, and being in a better position(just!) than both of them, that there are grounds for optimism. Having said that Swansea's 4 point lead looks quite big at the moment, which is why it's vital that we replace Kean before this becomes insummountable.

Worryingly there are only 4 teams I think realistically who could drop, which means the Premiership will be even more unforgiving on mistakes. However, without Kean, I do feel that the situation isn't as bleak as it could be.