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[Archived] The Relegation Thread

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I think Wolves were nailed on for the drop if McCarthy had stayed, it's a risk they have to take. They've been appalling recently. McCarthy was obviously desperate, he played Fletcher and Ebanks-Blake together up front yesterday with Kevin Doyle on the right of midfield. It completely failed and he had nothing left offer, and looked like a broken man after the game.

A good manager could turn them into a decent team. The centre back pairing of Johnson and Bassong looks excellent and very well balanced on paper, although they've only played two games together so far. In midfield, O'Hara and Jarvis are good players, and up front Fletcher seems a regular source of goals, and Doyle is a good all round player if less prolific. That's a solid base - significantly better than Bolton & Wigan for me.

Steve Bruce and Alan Curbishley are early favourites. Either would be dangerous for us, both are better managers than McCarthy. Hopefully they go for someone less proven to do well in relegation fights.

You may be right. It's the calibre of replacement that makes me think they'll struggle. Bruce isn't any better than McCarthy, Curbs has been out of the game for years.

Also don't think their team is up to scratch. Johnson's been terrible since his transfer, Bassong tweeked his hamstring yesterday, Jarvis hasn't been effective for ages, Doyle works a lot but doesn't produce much.

I think you're right when you say they're better than Bolton and Wigan, but it ain't by much.

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I don't know where anyone's got the opinion from that Bruce is a good manager. He's shocking!

He was good at both Birmingham and Wigan. He took over Birmingham whilst they were in the Championship, then turned them into a solid upper-mid table PL team. He then went to Wigan, saved them from the drop and again turned them into a solid upper-mid table team.

Both notably weakened after his departure. He also has a knack of finding very good players for little money - Valenica, Palacios, Figueroa, Upson, Cattermole, Rodallega, McLean etc.

He seems like he's one of those managers that loses the plot when given money to spend, because most of his Sunderland signings were poor. I think he's good fit for a team like Wolves though.

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He was good at both Birmingham and Wigan. He took over Birmingham whilst they were in the Championship, then turned them into a solid upper-mid table PL team. He then went to Wigan, saved them from the drop and again turned them into a solid upper-mid table team.

Both notably weakened after his departure. He also has a knack of finding very good players for little money - Valenica, Palacios, Figueroa, Upson, Cattermole, Rodallega, McLean etc.

He seems like he's one of those managers that loses the plot when given money to spend, because most of his Sunderland signings were poor. I think he's good fit for a team like Wolves though.

He wont be able to spend at Wolves though.

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Basically coming down to a 40% chance for each club to stay up, 2/5. Obviously, 2 of the 5 will escape relegation.

The headlines have been other places but Cisse got red carded in only his 2nd match with QPR, his goal was crucial in winning the other game. So he could help them if he is available.

Krypton1980's post is helpful. Not only do you need to figure in the 'top clubs' being played in the remaining matches but other in-form clubs as well, Sunderland is defeating virtually everyone except the top clubs, Sunderland losing only to Arsenal and Chelsea in the last 5 matches.

36 points, maybe 34 points will be enough given that all of the bottom 5 surely play against similar opponents in the remaining fixtures, QPR's strength of schedule might be a bit more difficult.

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Moyes and Everton have played abysmally at times, the news even reported on Moyes being booed some weeks ago but here they are at about 9th or 10th. Wolves though in the last 5 most of the season have not spent that much time in the last 3. Everton is doing well now, Moyes is so well-established. We'll see how it pans out for the Wolves, those big home losses do in managers, Leeds had a big loss and sacked their manager Grayson, lost to Brum 4-1 http://www.soccerway.com/teams/england/leeds-united-afc/ . The owner could not tolerate a big loss to WBA. Wolves may not stay up, probably won't with whomever is managing unless they get a real genius in there.

Bolton ? I peaked into those forums a few years ago, Owen Coyle seems a dignified type, he left Burnley I believe who then proceeded to go down the table and relegated but Coyle saved Bolton, no doubt about that so all of what they say is a mixed bag, he did so much for them. They certainly are spinning their wheels, You can't figure out this year, Bolton defeated Everton at Goodison and Everton has defeated Man City and Chelsea in recent weeks.

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Curbs being appointed Wolves manager would be the most dangerous from a Rovers perspective out of the list of possible candidates. He has experience of relegation battles and winning them. Sure he's been out of the game for a while but that can make you hungry and more determined to succeed.

Not really, he was relegated with Charlton the first time he brought them up. He, remarkably, kept West Ham up one season but had Tevez and Mascherano to help him, as well as a number of dubious refereeing decisions. I think those are the only two relegation scraps he has been in.

Wow, I had no idea Trotters fans had turned on Coyle so much, also how rubbish Davies seems to be - good job we didn't shell out 5 million for him then.

They have been terrible for about a year now. He started well, but has had an almighty slump with the low point being their 5-0 semi final loss to Stoke. Oh, and now losing at home to Wigan in a vital relegation six-pointer.

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I think that this season's relegation scrap is going to be fascinating to be part of.

Last season our predicament came as more of a shock to me than it has done this season. After being comfortably mid-table under Allardyce in December it was painful to watch Kean undo all that hard work and very nearly relegate us. Since that day in Wolverhampton last year, and events since then, I have been resigned to relegation. I am prepared for it and consider it a matter of inevitability. Defeats at home against Wolves, Everton, West Brom, Bolton, Stoke and Newcastle have all left me expecting the worst. Even if we manage the 'great escape' this season then relegation will happen next year or the year after that with the club being managed as it is. I do feel that relegation is 'necessary' for Venky's to relinquish control of the club and for us to be rid of Kean. That's why some of the pressure is off in my eyes, because whilst I will be delighted if we survive, unfortunately I feel that relegation will have to happen sooner or later.

This resignation of mine has actually meant I have been enjoying the relegation battle much more than I did in 08/09 and 10/11. The pressure is off somewhat, and it enables me to watch events unfold with interest. The Hughes at QPR scenario is interesting, as I cannot imagine Hughes taking a side down. The Bolton situation is also interesting because it would be of great pleasure to me to watch Owen Coyle take Wanderers down. The management change at Wolves adds another twist.

It now looks like we're in a mini-league of 5 teams, separated by 2 points. We're going into the last 13 games in the 'top two' that will ensure survival. We're going to have to match or better 3 of the other 4 teams. That's going to be very very tough. QPR are sure to improve once Hughes gets to grips with them and their performance in the second half at Ewood on saturday showed they're up for a fight. Whoever Wolves bring in as manager they are bound to have the 'honeymoon period' where they get some results. Wigan have improved in the last few weeks and have the knack of surprising, Bolton are capable of getting a result from anywhere if they're in the mood for it. One thing is for sure, our home form HAS to improve in the games against Villa, Norwich, Sunderland, Wigan and co. If we'd replaced some of those 9 defeats with say 4 draws we'd be looking ok right now.

If we stay up then great, fantastic and well done in tricky circumstances. If we go down then hopefully that will bring down Venky's and Kean. I honesty don't think they will ever sell whilst we are in the Premier League.

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I'd be more worried if Holloway got the nod rather than Bruce/Curbishley/Warnock

Holloway shares the same frailties as Aidy Boothroyd, Owen Coyle and many other managers who have got sides promoted over the years - he can get his teams scoring but cannot teach his team to defend. I'd put Kean in the exact same bracket to be honest and I would expect him to be the sort of manager to get a team out of the Championship but really struggle to keep them in the Premier League...we might yet get to see this shakey theory tested out for real next season!

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I think that this season's relegation scrap is going to be fascinating to be part of.

Last season our predicament came as more of a shock to me than it has done this season. After being comfortably mid-table under Allardyce in December it was painful to watch Kean undo all that hard work and very nearly relegate us. Since that day in Wolverhampton last year, and events since then, I have been resigned to relegation. I am prepared for it and consider it a matter of inevitability. Defeats at home against Wolves, Everton, West Brom, Bolton, Stoke and Newcastle have all left me expecting the worst. Even if we manage the 'great escape' this season then relegation will happen next year or the year after that with the club being managed as it is. I do feel that relegation is 'necessary' for Venky's to relinquish control of the club and for us to be rid of Kean. That's why some of the pressure is off in my eyes, because whilst I will be delighted if we survive, unfortunately I feel that relegation will have to happen sooner or later.

This resignation of mine has actually meant I have been enjoying the relegation battle much more than I did in 08/09 and 10/11. The pressure is off somewhat, and it enables me to watch events unfold with interest. The Hughes at QPR scenario is interesting, as I cannot imagine Hughes taking a side down. The Bolton situation is also interesting because it would be of great pleasure to me to watch Owen Coyle take Wanderers down. The management change at Wolves adds another twist.

It now looks like we're in a mini-league of 5 teams, separated by 2 points. We're going into the last 13 games in the 'top two' that will ensure survival. We're going to have to match or better 3 of the other 4 teams. That's going to be very very tough. QPR are sure to improve once Hughes gets to grips with them and their performance in the second half at Ewood on saturday showed they're up for a fight. Whoever Wolves bring in as manager they are bound to have the 'honeymoon period' where they get some results. Wigan have improved in the last few weeks and have the knack of surprising, Bolton are capable of getting a result from anywhere if they're in the mood for it. One thing is for sure, our home form HAS to improve in the games against Villa, Norwich, Sunderland, Wigan and co. If we'd replaced some of those 9 defeats with say 4 draws we'd be looking ok right now.

If we stay up then great, fantastic and well done in tricky circumstances. If we go down then hopefully that will bring down Venky's and Kean. I honesty don't think they will ever sell whilst we are in the Premier League.

Exactly how I feel - am fully expecting to go down so if we do manage to stay up, its a fantastic bonus.

Also agree Flunky's & Coco won't go until were relegated but really hope we do stay up for next season so that the entire football world will see the effect these clowns are having on the club & fans - if we go down, everyone will just put dwindling attendances of circa 15K down to being relegated whereas that excuse won't be available if we stay up.

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If we stay up and get 15k attendances next year then the media will simply say that rovers fans don't deserve premier league football and that we are a embarrassment to the league.

Meanwhile radio silence will continue from Pune and Kean will still be in charge. Arsenal fans will boo Wenger and be lauded for demanding excellence and Everton fans will continue their protests and be supported because a famous old club like that 'deserves success'.

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Wow, I had no idea Trotters fans had turned on Coyle so much, also how rubbish Davies seems to be - good job we didn't shell out 5 million for him then.

They are more concerned by Muamba not starting games, when he plays, they hardly ever lose.

Work with loads and a fair % of them think they are relegation certainties.

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