[Archived] Yakubu

[DP]

That's why I emphasised 'should be okay'. With a half-decent manager, we have a team easily capable of surviving in this league and then some. Kean doesn't have any more excuses now. He's had a full pre-season and managed to bring in his own team. There's nowhere left to hide.

Spot on.

[patrickvalery]

how to self-contradict in consecutive sentences! did you actually think about what you wanted to post?

I get his point though. Allardyce didn't even come close to getting the best out of Hoilett because he refused to change his style to incorporate him. The fact is, Allardyce would never have signed so many luxury flair type players. Its fair to say the likes of Formica, Rochina and Vukevic wouldn't be anywhere near Rovers had he been in charge. I'm not passing comment on that by they way. Its horses for courses.

[Stuart]

is that seals dad

:lol: Priceless. Thanks for that!

[John]

The fact is, Allardyce would never have signed so many luxury flair type players.

Guess David Bentley is not a creative player then?

I think Sam likes some flair within his teams as long as it is not detrimental (to the team) in that they become too easy to beat.

The fact is Sam had no flexibility in relation to finances, during his time here, which obviously reducded his/our options considerably in the transfer market.

[Tris]

Guess David Bentley is not a creative player then?

I think Sam likes some flair within his teams as long as it is not detrimental (to the team) in that they become too easy to beat.

The fact is Sam had no flexibility in relation to finances, during his time here, which obviously reducded his/our options considerably in the transfer market.

The fact is, he forced Tugay out when everyone else at the club - from the Chairman down - was desperate to give Tugay the one year extension he so badly wanted.

The best creative player we've seen in recent times ... and don't tell me he didn't have another year in his legs either, or that we couldn't afford his wages.

[patrickvalery]

Guess David Bentley is not a creative player then?

I think Sam likes some flair within his teams as long as it is not detrimental (to the team) in that they become too easy to beat.

The fact is Sam had no flexibility in relation to finances, during his time here, which obviously reducded his/our options considerably in the transfer market.

John, i said that SO MANY flair players wouldn't have arrived under Sam's regime. David Bentley is just one man. Its very likely we could have 3 or 4 flair players in the side now. Never in a million years would Allardyce have done this. Again, i stress, i am not passing judgement on this. Just an observation.

[K-Hod]

Seems to me like the Yak lost his way at Everton and never recaptured some of the form he managed at previous clubs.

At any rate, it's underwhelming considering the names we were linked with.. (granted I never really expected them to sign) I'll judge him once I've seen him play fully. One thing is for certain, he's better than Roberts!

[OZTHEMAN]

sadly he is a player who has been there seen it and done it..So to get him to do the extra bit it going to be difficult but has the experience and ability to score goals which we hope he will do.. And he wont leave saying bad things about the club as he has never done in the past..

[John]

John, i said that SO MANY flair players wouldn't have arrived under Sam's regime. David Bentley is just one man. Its very likely we could have 3 or 4 flair players in the side now. Never in a million years would Allardyce have done this. Again, i stress, i am not passing judgement on this. Just an observation.

There is only so much room for these "flair players" that some fans get far too excited over. Once they actually start matches, for us, every week and contributing positively then I will get excited - good example of when a flair player doesn't work (plus a poor decision to bring him on at that time) was Rochina away at Fulham last season.

Are points given out now for sides containing flair players? We would be near top of the table then...

The fact is, he forced Tugay out when everyone else at the club - from the Chairman down - was desperate to give Tugay the one year extension he so badly wanted.

The best creative player we've seen in recent times ... and don't tell me he didn't have another year in his legs either, or that we couldn't afford his wages.

I liked Tugay a lot too - however, after he left, where did we finish in the league the season without him?

We did not seem to suffer too much....

[OZTHEMAN]

Does Michael Essien look 28? Does Asamoah Gyan look 25? Sulley Muntari 26? Jon Obi Mikel looks older than 24 to me.

They can't all be lying. Fact is some of the African players have older looking faces. That's all.

I am almost certain I put this on earlier that most African cities apart there are few places to register births its only when they want to go to school or they want a passport that they even bother registering their names, this is how the third world works!!

[TugaysMarlboro]

I liked Tugay a lot too - however, after he left, where did we finish in the league the season without him?

We did not seem to suffer too much....

Really? The season after his retirement I hardly saw one player pass a ball twenty yards forward on the floor to one of our strikers.

[thenodrog]

The fact is, he forced Tugay out when everyone else at the club - from the Chairman down - was desperate to give Tugay the one year extension he so badly wanted.

The best creative player we've seen in recent times ... and don't tell me he didn't have another year in his legs either, or that we couldn't afford his wages.

I'd agree with that. However reading between the lines I think there might have been a personality clash behind the scenes with Tugay becoming a disruptive influence. What's your opinion on that Tris?

[patrickvalery]

There is only so much room for these "flair players" that some fans get far too excited over. Once they actually start matches, for us, every week and contributing positively then I will get excited - good example of when a flair player doesn't work (plus a poor decision to bring him on at that time) was Rochina away at Fulham last season.

Are points given out now for sides containing flair players? We would be near top of the table then...

I liked Tugay a lot too - however, after he left, where did we finish in the league the season without him?

We did not seem to suffer too much....

John, i'm struggling here. You seem intent on debating this point with me even though i have said twice that i'm not making any judgement. Simply an observation. I haven't indicated that having so many flair or luxury type players in the side is for the greater good. Neither am i saying the more industrial side which Allardyce put out was best. I certainly haven't intimated that points should be awarded for the luxury players you can field.

[OZTHEMAN]

I'd agree with that. However reading between the lines I think there might have been a personality clash behind the scenes with Tugay becoming a disruptive influence. What's your opinion on that Tris?

BFS wanted to play hoof the ball and contest the second ball.. Tugay wanted to pass the ball and control midfield that's the way we have been spoilt.. maybe BFS understood another Tugay wont come very quickly..BFS won sadly..

[Mike Graham]

Just got home after my jollies with no Internet to find that Son of Chicken has gone and signed this wally

I had really hoped to have returned to find that our toss pot manager had been given the boot - no such luck!

[Give 'Em the Axe]

Right. This Yakubu thread has become a bit of a Tugay thread. Morever, it has become a discussion on why Sam Allardyce (not 'BFS'; that is pathetic)didn't sign the man on for another year.

Bearing in mind that I hadn't found BRFCS at the time,I always imagined that the reason may have been the fact that Allardyce is very much a 'me me me' type of manager. Given Tugay's dressing room seniority and his popularity with the fans,I had the impression that Allardyce pushed him out because because of a desire to show the players and indeed the club, that 'from now on,I am the man,like it or lump it.

I could be wrong. I'm stating the impression I had (still have) at the time. I was gutted at the time and I still feel a pang of sorrow whenever I think about it. I never imagined Tugay to be a billy big balls acting type of man. I think he would have slotted into the Allardyce team rather well when his guile,know how,and let's be fair,utter class was called upon.

For the record, I think Allardyce was a miracle worker for this club of ours. I wasn't particularly enamoured with his tactics,but by christ,he didn't half do well for the Rovers and gave us some memorable moments. Not least saving us from the drop after Paul Ince's cack handed attempts at top flight management. In my humble opinion, he deserves to be remembered as a modern era Rovers legend. Along with Tugay. It's just a damn shame they never worked together.

[John]

Right. This Yakubu thread has become a bit of a Tugay thread. Morever, it has become a discussion on why Sam Allardyce (not 'BFS'; that is pathetic)didn't sign the man on for another year.

Bearing in mind that I hadn't found BRFCS at the time,I always imagined that the reason may have been the fact that Allardyce is very much a 'me me me' type of manager. Given Tugay's dressing room seniority and his popularity with the fans,I had the impression that Allardyce pushed him out because because of a desire to show the players and indeed the club, that 'from now on,I am the man,like it or lump it.

I could be wrong. I'm stating the impression I had (still have) at the time. I was gutted at the time and I still feel a pang of sorrow whenever I think about it. I never imagined Tugay to be a billy big balls acting type of man. I think he would have slotted into the Allardyce team rather well when his guile,know how,and let's be fair,utter class was called upon.

For the record, I think Allardyce was a miracle worker for this club of ours. I wasn't particularly enamoured with his tactics,but by christ,he didn't half do well for the Rovers and gave us some memorable moments. Not least saving us from the drop after Paul Ince's cack handed attempts at top flight management. In my humble opinion, he deserves to be remembered as a modern era Rovers legend. Along with Tugay. It's just a damn shame they never worked together.

Nice to read a well balanced and good post.

[FourLaneBlue]

Im sure I am in the minority but I always thought Yakubu was an excellent target man until his injury problems at Everton. It may well be that he has lost out on some pace, but he remains a big bruiser of a forward.

I'd have played him today. One thing is, he will offer an outlet and can head the ball. Something that Roberts can't and, on today's evidence, neither can Goodwillie.

[Stuart]

Right. This Yakubu thread has become a bit of a Tugay thread. Morever, it has become a discussion on why Sam Allardyce (not 'BFS'; that is pathetic)didn't sign the man on for another year.

Bearing in mind that I hadn't found BRFCS at the time,I always imagined that the reason may have been the fact that Allardyce is very much a 'me me me' type of manager. Given Tugay's dressing room seniority and his popularity with the fans,I had the impression that Allardyce pushed him out because because of a desire to show the players and indeed the club, that 'from now on,I am the man,like it or lump it.

I could be wrong. I'm stating the impression I had (still have) at the time. I was gutted at the time and I still feel a pang of sorrow whenever I think about it. I never imagined Tugay to be a billy big balls acting type of man. I think he would have slotted into the Allardyce team rather well when his guile,know how,and let's be fair,utter class was called upon.

For the record, I think Allardyce was a miracle worker for this club of ours. I wasn't particularly enamoured with his tactics,but by christ,he didn't half do well for the Rovers and gave us some memorable moments. Not least saving us from the drop after Paul Ince's cack handed attempts at top flight management. In my humble opinion, he deserves to be remembered as a modern era Rovers legend. Along with Tugay. It's just a damn shame they never worked together.

You might be right and tt may be that Sam did 'let Tugay go' for the reasons you mention.

Then again, from watching him week in, week out in his final season, it was clear that his legs had gone and he was only able to contribute for 60 minutes max.

We are seeing what happens when players get to that stage and are still picked week in, week out, as is happening with Dunny and Salgado.

Whether the current fitness regime is also playing a part, I don't know but it's heartbreaking to see Dunn and Salgado being humiliated in this way and being described as 'past it' and 'weak link'. I'm so glad it never got to this stage with Tugay.

I would put it down to the experience of a man like Big Sam who let Tugay go out on a high (I'll never forget him sat watching the game from the Jack Walker lower tier near the Blackburn End) rather than subject him to a slow decline.

I hope Yakubu is not another fading star who through injury and lack of fitness labours around the pitch. Goodness knows we can't afford any more passengers!

[FourLaneBlue]

David Dunn - weak link? Past it? According to who?

The brfcs.com intelligentsia?!?

David Dunn receives far too harsh criticism from Rovers fans and always has. Fatboy comments have resounded from when he was a teenager. When he left due to Souness he was portrayed as a traitor. Yet, he came to watch Rovers regularly. Something that some of those giving him stick on here did not do themselves.

Dunn has been, and remains, a cracking Rovers player. We made a few million on him due to his sale/buying him back for much less. Add to that his great commitment to our cause, and his deep love for Rovers, and I think some posters on here should be ashamed of themselves.

Dunny is Rovers through and through. Legend.

[USABlue]

I would have liked to have seen Yakubu thrown in in the second half to day. Clearly Goodwillie was struggling and to leave him out there I think will dent his confidence. Scarily enough though when Goodwille showed signs of being hurt early on who started warmeing up, Yak?? No Jason Bloody Roberts. That small observation has got me just about jumping on the Kean out bandwaggon.

I actually think Dunny has looked more than decent when he's on. One of the few who seems to play like he cares about the club.

[Miker]

David Dunn - weak link? Past it? According to who?

The brfcs.com intelligentsia?!?

David Dunn receives far too harsh criticism from Rovers fans and always has. Fatboy comments have resounded from when he was a teenager. When he left due to Souness he was portrayed as a traitor. Yet, he came to watch Rovers regularly. Something that some of those giving him stick on here did not do themselves.

Dunn has been, and remains, a cracking Rovers player. We made a few million on him due to his sale/buying him back for much less. Add to that his great commitment to our cause, and his deep love for Rovers, and I think some posters on here should be ashamed of themselves.

Dunny is Rovers through and through. Legend.

Very well said. I thought Dunn has been great for us against Wolves and Fulham so far. Easily one of the liveliest and hardest working players on the team. We were absolutely lost without him when he came off. He's an influential player for the team and I'm glad he's still able to give it his all. I agree that the criticism of him on here is way too harsh and he deserves more respect than that.

[Stuart]

David Dunn - weak link? Past it? According to who?

The brfcs.com intelligentsia?!?

David Dunn receives far too harsh criticism from Rovers fans and always has. Fatboy comments have resounded from when he was a teenager. When he left due to Souness he was portrayed as a traitor. Yet, he came to watch Rovers regularly. Something that some of those giving him stick on here did not do themselves.

Dunn has been, and remains, a cracking Rovers player. We made a few million on him due to his sale/buying him back for much less. Add to that his great commitment to our cause, and his deep love for Rovers, and I think some posters on here should be ashamed of themselves.

Dunny is Rovers through and through. Legend.

An overly sentimental view FLB.

Dunn has certainly been a great player for the club. Couldn't stomach Souness but came back at the first opportunity. Legend? Not sure. Local hero? Definitely.

Sadly, Dunn is a 60 min player (at best) and is, IMHO, past it as far as the demanding level of the PL us concerned.

Time to let go. Maybe get him in a coaching role, I'm sure he's good to have around the place.

BTW, the weak link is in reference to comments made about Salgado. It's another great shame that he is being hung out to dry. Now there is a real football legend.

[slough_rover]

Already justified his small fee.

[Amo]

I thought he was too fat and crippled to score goals in the PL?