[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[Ferrit]

He accepts responsibility...sort of:

"There’s been a couple of times this season where we’ve had tough calls – Norwich was one – but refs have got a real tough job and I’ll never have a go at a referee."

Yes Steve. There have also been a couple of games (Arsenal and Wigan) where the opposition have had tough calls.

If it's true that luck evens itself out over a season then we're probably due more bad luck, I think we spent all our good luck tokens in the Arsenal game alone. Wigan took us into the overdraft.

Absolutely 100% agree with this.

There's always at least one, people like him are the ones that find out that large weights can be lifted with testicle skin and that fan belts should not be installed while the engine is running.

Indeed, or lose both arms, both legs and the ability to speak or hear. But are just happy to be alive.

[rebelmswar]

Indeed, or lose both arms, both legs and the ability to speak or hear. But are just happy to be alive.

How could you tell?

[Ferrit]

How could you tell?

A hunch.

[Gav]

Should you not be "welcoming him off the bus"now while he's our manager ?

If the fans are as angry as you make out its a very controlled anger.

It is very controlled anger, and all credit to the supports in that boat I say, they're a credit to the club and town

If the current goings on had occured at several other clubs I could mention, the man would be under 24hr protection.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I guess that's a reply to one of my posts DMTP?

It's hardly been a secret on here that I've never liked Kean as a manager or the way in which he "appeared" to get the job. Nor have I been swayed by the occassional decent performance. We are still a PL team, so it's not astonishing that we do well "occassionally" - even though it's usually against sides that are going through their own mini crisis at the time.

This debate started when you said a couple of days ago that you had given Kean the Wigan game, but had now changed your mind and decided he should go. I said that in fact you had given him every game up to and including the Wigan game, and now it could be too late.

That's the truth, so I don't know why you are getting annoyed when people say they knew which way the club was heading all those months ago. Sacking Sam and replacing him with a coach was a stupid gamble which many people were prepared to speak up about. Some people of course, including you I guess, backed him. We're now seeing that backing him all this time was wrong. We're on the brink and we might not/probably wont recover.

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There are various times in his management that I would have got rid of him - but the owners have different views on that. Given our owners - I have always been of the opinion that, irrespective of my liking or not of Kean, it would be in Rovers best interests for him to be a success - as I didn't think they would get rid of him soon enough to prevent relegation otherwise. My giving the him the Wigan match as his last chance to win me over was based on previous good performances - and the improvement in team pattern since Clement arrived.

I don't know anyone that thought sacking Sam as they did was a good idea - compounded by the rapid promotion of the first team coach. However - when appointed - irrespective of how he got the job (I'll leave the rumours to everyone else) I wanted him to be a success - so on that basis, I guess yes I backed him and Rovers !

One final comment - somebodies summary of the Liverpool match (I am surprised you didn't follow it up with the statement - "of course he should now be sacked" ) -

"I haven't read any posts since before last night's game, so here goes with a few personal views on the game and a couple of other points:

Game: Last night was what football should be about. Exciting football, goals, taking on and beating the big boys. I thought Rovers as a team and as individuals were superb. I haven't enjoyed a game as much as that for a long time. On paper Liverpool were, man for man, better than us. On the park, we were man for man, better than them. The 3-0 lead could have been even more. We did come close though, to throwing it all away in the last 20 minutes and that would have been a real injustice. First time in a long time that I've wanted to watch MOTD. All in all, let's have more of that please.

Hoilett: I always thought he had something special about him. He's come on leaps and bounds this season. The way he set up the third goal was brilliant. There's still plenty of scope for improvement, but the lads doing great.

Samba: Easy this one. We should do everything we can to keep him at Ewood Park.

Benjani: Got a lot of stick and rightly so after his last game or two, but last night showed again to me, that when fit he's a real bonus to the squad. He's possibly our best forward.

Kean: Before the game I was thinking that our best chances were to play 5 at the back and try to hang in the game as long as possible, then hit Liverpool on the break. To Keans credit he saw it differently and went 4-4-2. On the night it worked brilliantly. Liverpool couldn't cope with the width we had. One minus for Kean - his substitutions were poor and could have cost us the three points. They were made too early and they were the wrong substitutions. If Gerard had scored that penalty we might not have won a game that we thoroughly deserved to win.

Liverpool: Just to temper all this just a little bit, that was without doubt the worst Liverpool side that's been around since I've been watching football. No heart, that's their problem. With the players available to them, they should be doing much better than that. Hodgson has to go. "

[Veevs]

The time for asking for chants from other clubs fans is about now.. been getting so much sympathy from my normally wind up merchant friends it is plain stupid.

I don't think any true football fan would want to see this happen to their own club and as such Blackburn are becoming popular in an odd sort of way.. lots of sympathy for how we the fans are treated and our predicament.

I find it a joke that in a world in which free speach and the right to protest are supposed to be key in our civilisation that we suddenly find ourselves in such a stupid situation that Blackburn Rovers fans are banned from any form of protest home or away. This isn't india with an authoritarian government/culture.. it is England ffs.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I understand the word relative. And I'd hate to be one of yours with Christmas coming up. You probably think a turd on a stick is a relatively good Christmas present.

A difficult man to please. No not really, just a football manager in charge of the football team I support. That will do. But thanks to people like you, "Mr Keans magical majority" we have to put up with the worst manager the PL has seen for a long long time.

And you'd do very well if you matched my drivel, then you wouldn't have to moan about people saying "I told you so" when you're so obviously backing the wrong horse.

You need to have a chat with Glen Mullan - though leading the protests - he has the class to accept other peoples perspectives. It is insular people like yourself that have helped drive a wedge between supporters as much as Kean has.

"That will do. But thanks to people like you, "Mr Keans magical majority" we have to put up with the worst manager the PL has seen for a long long time"

I think you will find it is the Venky's that hired him - and will sack him when they see fit.

[beastlove]

I cannot see the point in debating who was right when. I wanted to give Kean time to build his own team. sadly I have been proved wrong and accept that he should have gone at the end of last season but in hine sight it is easy. I think the majority now want him gone and will make their feelings known during the next home game

[speeeeeeedie]

It looks like the Guardian's "Fiver" has now cottoned on to the fact that Kean is taking Rovers nowhere but down.

Meanwhile in Cardiff, seriously beleaguered Blackeye Rovers manager Steve Kean-Out has been talking up his side's chances, despite hinting that he's likely to field a side that's even more under-strength than the one he usually puts out. "We have got a good tie and we're scoring goals on the road," said Kean-Out, who's clearly more adept as a spin-doctor than he is as a manager. His team has scored 11 on their travels this season … leaking 17 in the process and winning no games.

Have they been reading this site?

[ebenrocks]

I read the Guardian every day and I have to say, whenever they talk about Blackburn they usually give a very fair and open account of what is going on. Their journalists aren't really they type to have their eyes blinded by bullsh*t. They take the fans side a lot in situations like this.

Just watching sky's coverage of the Manchester City Arsenal game..... god dammit how much do I wish Hughes was still our Manager.

[47er]

There are various times in his management that I would have got rid of him - but the owners have different views on that. Given our owners - I have always been of the opinion that, irrespective of my liking or not of Kean, it would be in Rovers best interests for him to be a success - as I didn't think they would get rid of him soon enough to prevent relegation otherwise. My giving the him the Wigan match as his last chance to win me over was based on previous good performances - and the improvement in team pattern since Clement arrived.

I don't know anyone that thought sacking Sam as they did was a good idea - compounded by the rapid promotion of the first team coach. However - when appointed - irrespective of how he got the job (I'll leave the rumours to everyone else) I wanted him to be a success - so on that basis, I guess yes I backed him and Rovers !

One final comment - somebodies summary of the Liverpool match (I am surprised you didn't follow it up with the statement - "of course he should now be sacked" ) -

"I haven't read any posts since before last night's game, so here goes with a few personal views on the game and a couple of other points:

Game: Last night was what football should be about. Exciting football, goals, taking on and beating the big boys. I thought Rovers as a team and as individuals were superb. I haven't enjoyed a game as much as that for a long time. On paper Liverpool were, man for man, better than us. On the park, we were man for man, better than them. The 3-0 lead could have been even more. We did come close though, to throwing it all away in the last 20 minutes and that would have been a real injustice. First time in a long time that I've wanted to watch MOTD. All in all, let's have more of that please.

Hoilett: I always thought he had something special about him. He's come on leaps and bounds this season. The way he set up the third goal was brilliant. There's still plenty of scope for improvement, but the lads doing great.

Samba: Easy this one. We should do everything we can to keep him at Ewood Park.

Benjani: Got a lot of stick and rightly so after his last game or two, but last night showed again to me, that when fit he's a real bonus to the squad. He's possibly our best forward.

Kean: Before the game I was thinking that our best chances were to play 5 at the back and try to hang in the game as long as possible, then hit Liverpool on the break. To Keans credit he saw it differently and went 4-4-2. On the night it worked brilliantly. Liverpool couldn't cope with the width we had. One minus for Kean - his substitutions were poor and could have cost us the three points. They were made too early and they were the wrong substitutions. If Gerard had scored that penalty we might not have won a game that we thoroughly deserved to win.

Liverpool: Just to temper all this just a little bit, that was without doubt the worst Liverpool side that's been around since I've been watching football. No heart, that's their problem. With the players available to them, they should be doing much better than that. Hodgson has to go. "

That's where you went wrong. Always a mistake to get carried away with one game or even two.

Interesting and ironic that you conclude with "Hodgson has to go"-----------you were willing to give him much less time than Kean!

Finally, its a simple point, many of us did say from the start that this would end in tears. As soon as it happened I wrote that "this is a reckless and unnecessary risk". We were hailed as "doomsayers" and more latterly as "tremblers"!

So how about a bit of credit where its due?

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

That's where you went wrong. Always a mistake to get carried away with one game or even two.

Interesting and ironic that you conclude with "Hodgson has to go"-----------you were willing to give him much less time than Kean!

Finally, its a simple point, many of us did say from the start that this would end in tears. As soon as it happened I wrote that "this is a reckless and unnecessary risk". We were hailed as "doomsayers" and more latterly as "tremblers"!

So how about a bit of credit where its due?

You have made me smile - and also helped prove my point - the bit in comments was from Den - not me - lol.

BTW - also notice the piece where I said sacking Sam and employing Kean was a mistake !

[47er]

You have made me smile - and also helped prove my point - the bit in comments was from Den - not me - lol.

BTW - also notice the piece where I said sacking Sam and employing Kean was a mistake !

Whoops! Sorry Den! Did you no favours there!

Rushing around trying to type while listening to 5Live and stop the dog yapping!

Anyways, surely the Cardiff game is the last straw, assuming we lose?

Or is it all too late and nobody will take the job?

[Amo]

Imagine if he did resign. Venky's wouldn't have a clue what to do. They're probably get on bended knee and beg him to come back.

[chaddyrovers]

Kean has to go now!!!

get rid of him tomorrow as manager then get a new manager in by the next weekend.

KEAN OUT!!!

[gumboots]

Kean out. Can no longer defend the indefensible.

Most people, even those prepared to give him a chance initially, have been saying he should go for months. hasn't made any difference at all to the owners so I don't see why one more appalling and avoidable result should do so. I'm almost beyond caring - couldn't even be bothered to look for the result. he'll still be here against swansea mouthing his sickening platitudes as we sink to another home loss. don't get your hopes up that the Rao family might finally have the gumption to get off their backsides and do something constructive about our position.

[Emge]

Its worth mentioning that in India its the middle of the night over there right now, so I guess Venkys (sleep tight little Venkyfriends...not...hope you have a horrible nightmare and wake up scared and sweaty!) will wake up to some unwanted news in a few hours...

[Claytons Left Boot]

Well, if the bullshitting b'stard doesn't walk after tonight it'll prove he's more thick skinned than a hippo's arse.

[Amo]

Kean has to go now!!!

'Now' was last week, and the week before that, and the week before that, and...

Don't you get it, Chaddy?

[EwoodDawn]

I suspect we might have found Kean's Achilles heel. In the post match interviews immediately following the Stoke match, I thought his voice was just a tad higher than usual and I found his general demeanour a bit rattled. Then tonight, he crazily sends the team out 4 mins early on a very cold November night in a desperate, 'Look, Mrs. D. I'm such a tough, decent manager' stylee. My behind! If you were such a good manager why would you would need to make such a show to motivate your players in the quarter finals of a national cup competition? I personally think that Mr Kean is very adept at giving out snide, nasty comments and other messages to those who dare to protest against him but is a little less adept at taking the criticism directed at him by the press this week.

[chaddyrovers]

'Now' was last week, and the week before that, and the week before that, and...

Don't you get it, Chaddy?

Topman, I thought Kean should have gone after the Fulham game last season then in the summer aswell!!!

Kean was never a manager and never will be.

Thought he was the wrong appoint when he got the job permanent last season and still do!!!

KEAN OUT!!!

[roverandout]

to the guy voting to give kean more time, this is for you

[Amo]

Topman, I thought Kean should have gone after the Fulham game last season then in the summer aswell!!!

Kean was never a manager and never will be.

Thought he was the wrong appoint when he got the job permanent last season and still do!!!

KEAN OUT!!!

Exactly my point.

People have wanted Kean out for a millennium now.

Do you see any change? Venky's are happy to see us relegated and Kean's up to the task.

[sijoco]

I suspect we might have found Kean's Achilles heel. In the post match interviews immediately following the Stoke match, I thought his voice was just a tad higher than usual and I found his general demeanour a bit rattled.

Agree 100% Dawn - the little weasel sounded like Mrs.D. had a hand on his balls the whole interview.

THE PROTESTS ARE WORKING - combined with his ineptitude the end game is getting closer - one final push people please

[Aberdeen Blue]

I am a mature, rational, generally calm, educated individual but I really could do some serious harm to this snivelling piece of ###### given the chance!

Just crawl back under whatever rock you came out of Kean for Gods sake.