[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[unsall]

I think most of us think Keen is not up to the job,but who would they get to replace him,people keep saying Hughes,O'neil etc,do you honestly think anyone like that would work under the Venkys,they are not yes men,and we would end up with someone simmilar to Keen,need to see how it goes in the next 6 games......

[PAFELL]

It has to be an organised event before because a) we get a decent result people will melt away and b] people want to get home after a game and in all likelyhood nothing would come of it.

Totally agree. Damm I wish I could be there.

Glen has posted the march will start from,

Havelock Inn

Havelock Road

Blackburn

BB2 2QA

[PAFELL]

I think most of us think Keen is not up to the job,but who would they get to replace him,people keep saying Hughes,O'neil etc,do you honestly think anyone like that would work under the Venkys,they are not yes men,and we would end up with someone simmilar to Keen,need to see how it goes in the next 6 games......

Why risk 18 valuable points. If protests are put off and off over and over again, nothing will ever be done. ^ matches form now would take us into winter - weather will put a lot of people off, christmas planning etc and all manner of other reasons, such as wait until the january transfer window.

No it has to be done NOW. A new manager will still have to be appointed either now or in 6 matches time (using your time scale) why wait any longer. KEAN'S RECORD IS WORSE THAN INCE'S. IF KEAN IS NOT SACKED, EVEN INCE COULD ASK THE QUESTION AS TO WHY KEAN HAS NOT BEEN SACKED.

[Darth Paul]

I am glad I am not alone in having issues with this planned protest, so fair play to Kenny’s Magic Hat and others for having the conviction to stand against the rising tide. I expect them to come into criticism for their views, as well as myself but I believe the nature and the timing of this protest is totally, totally wrong.

Nobody bleeds blue and white more than I, or is feeling the pain and embarrassment of our current on field and off field predicaments than I do, believe me. However in the past few months I have observed on this site and elsewhere what basically amounts to a witch hunt against our manager, sometimes wholly justified but also often devoid of logic and reason. Sometimes I suspect the dividing line between Kean’s faults and that of our owners is unclear and certainly doesn’t help the situation.

In any event the time for this protest was weeks ago, given that those against Kean have held the same views since before the season started and have not, nor would not change those views regardless.

Why wait until after we pick up our first hard earned points of the season, in a difficult away fixture, on the eve of a vital home fixture against an equally vulnerable travelling team and at a time when the club have finally invested to a reasonable standard in the playing staff?

The Fulham fixture was a backs against the wall job for the second half at least, but also proved to be a formidable defensive display, with two of the managers signings, Scott Dann and Ruben Rochina showing some signs that we may have brought in some quality.

Our manager may have a long way to go to emulate drinking buddy Alex Ferguson, but if he goes, who comes into replace him and how would they cope with the chaos that has enveloped the club off the field over the past 12 months?

I am not Kean’s biggest fan by any means, but the Summer was the time for action – now is the time for solidarity and to support the team building on some early signs that we may just be getting back to normality off and on the field.

I expect heavy criticism for my views, but they are my own and not just a platitude to the moaning masses who seem to revel in negativity.

I won’t be joining in the protest but if I feel the behaviour of the fans inside the ground is at detriment to the team, I will be making my own feelings known, minority or not.

[chris]

I am glad I am not alone in having issues with this planned protest, so fair play to Kenny’s Magic Hat and others for having the conviction to stand against the rising tide. I expect them to come into criticism for their views, as well as myself but I believe the nature and the timing of this protest is totally, totally wrong.

Why wait until after we pick up our first hard earned points of the season, in a difficult away fixture, on the eve of a vital home fixture against an equally vulnerable travelling team and at a time when the club have finally invested to a reasonable standard in the playing staff?

1 point in 12 and 20th in the league on the back of 6 wins in 27 games equals bad timing????

Really think the timing is perfect. bottom of the league, on the back of open letter, sky cameras, exposure, isolated game, morning protest.

Perfect timing.

Fulham destoryed Blackburn and things can't just keep waiting and waiting.

[LeChuck]

if I feel the behaviour of the fans inside the ground is at detriment to the team, I will be making my own feelings known

Then surely you can understand why people want to make their feelings known about a manager who they feel is a detriment to the team?

There is never a convenient time to protest. I think the longer the season goes on, the less convenient it becomes.

From what I can gather, Glen seems fairly certain this will force Venky's hand. If that is based on good knowledge then it has to be worth doing.

[SergioPeter89]

I really respect you for standing up against the tide, Darth Paul. Even though I'm pro this protest.,

The reason to why the protest has not come before, is because we could not do it when the relegation monster was breathing in our necks, and when the season started we all promised to wait and see what SK could do with a whole pre season, and when the result is questionable signings (apart from Dann), very poor results, worst start in 60 years, deluded interviews and extremely bad fitness on the team, the right time for a protest need to be now.

The longer we wait, the more likely is the disaster happening.

[rebelmswar]

For Gods sake!

Every morning I set my stereo to all its full settings and prime all 12 speakers and 2 woofers, set the Cd to the climax of Ode to Joy, hand out hearing protection to my children, and call the local window company, only to be disappointed to see the limpet is still hanging on.

[PAFELL]

I am glad I am not alone in having issues with this planned protest, so fair play to Kenny’s Magic Hat and others for having the conviction to stand against the rising tide. I expect them to come into criticism for their views, as well as myself but I believe the nature and the timing of this protest is totally, totally wrong.

Nobody bleeds blue and white more than I, or is feeling the pain and embarrassment of our current on field and off field predicaments than I do, believe me. However in the past few months I have observed on this site and elsewhere what basically amounts to a witch hunt against our manager, sometimes wholly justified but also often devoid of logic and reason. Sometimes I suspect the dividing line between Kean’s faults and that of our owners is unclear and certainly doesn’t help the situation.

In any event the time for this protest was weeks ago, given that those against Kean have held the same views since before the season started and have not, nor would not change those views regardless.

Why wait until after we pick up our first hard earned points of the season, in a difficult away fixture, on the eve of a vital home fixture against an equally vulnerable travelling team and at a time when the club have finally invested to a reasonable standard in the playing staff?

The Fulham fixture was a backs against the wall job for the second half at least, but also proved to be a formidable defensive display, with two of the managers signings, Scott Dann and Ruben Rochina showing some signs that we may have brought in some quality.

Our manager may have a long way to go to emulate drinking buddy Alex Ferguson, but if he goes, who comes into replace him and how would they cope with the chaos that has enveloped the club off the field over the past 12 months?

I am not Kean’s biggest fan by any means, but the Summer was the time for action – now is the time for solidarity and to support the team building on some early signs that we may just be getting back to normality off and on the field.

I expect heavy criticism for my views, but they are my own and not just a platitude to the moaning masses who seem to revel in negativity.

I won’t be joining in the protest but if I feel the behaviour of the fans inside the ground is at detriment to the team, I will be making my own feelings known, minority or not.

You are, as is everybody else, entitled to your opinion. Sadly the bottomline is that no Rovers supporter wants to be in the position where they feel the need to do any form of protesting with regards to Blackburn Rovers football club. Right time, wrong time a debated point. It is just sad that it needs to be done.

There probable is not a right time to protest. But bear in mind that Kean has had half a season last season and 4 matches this season and his record has got worse and not better. People feel the need to protest before it is too late.

I also would not be happy if the prote

st is directed in the direction of the players, as there is no need. The protestors should get behind the team on Saturday, this should not be and I would not expect it to be effected by the protests. i believe the idea of doing it before the match, is so that it does not effect the atmosphere inside the ground. If anything it could even heighten the atmosphere as well as the players performance. I do not believe there are any plans to protest INSIDE THE GROUND. Though I suppose a lot of that will depend on the score and performance of the players.

But I hope for a successful protest march on the way to ewood park. A tremedous support for the team during the match and a result in rovers favour v arsenal.

[DE.]

Then surely you can understand why people want to make their feelings known about a manager who they feel is a detriment to the team?

There is never a convenient time to protest. I think the longer the season goes on, the less convenient it becomes.

From what I can gather, Glen seems fairly certain this will force Venky's hand. If that is based on good knowledge then it has to be worth doing.

Exactly, there will always be a reason why it's not a good time to protest. The fact is it needs to be done before it's too late - and after another 3 or 4 games it will be too late.

[Plastic Head]

I am glad I am not alone in having issues with this planned protest, so fair play to Kenny’s Magic Hat and others for having the conviction to stand against the rising tide. I expect them to come into criticism for their views, as well as myself but I believe the nature and the timing of this protest is totally, totally wrong.

Nobody bleeds blue and white more than I, or is feeling the pain and embarrassment of our current on field and off field predicaments than I do, believe me. However in the past few months I have observed on this site and elsewhere what basically amounts to a witch hunt against our manager, sometimes wholly justified but also often devoid of logic and reason. Sometimes I suspect the dividing line between Kean’s faults and that of our owners is unclear and certainly doesn’t help the situation.

In any event the time for this protest was weeks ago, given that those against Kean have held the same views since before the season started and have not, nor would not change those views regardless.

Why wait until after we pick up our first hard earned points of the season, in a difficult away fixture, on the eve of a vital home fixture against an equally vulnerable travelling team and at a time when the club have finally invested to a reasonable standard in the playing staff?

The Fulham fixture was a backs against the wall job for the second half at least, but also proved to be a formidable defensive display, with two of the managers signings, Scott Dann and Ruben Rochina showing some signs that we may have brought in some quality.

Our manager may have a long way to go to emulate drinking buddy Alex Ferguson, but if he goes, who comes into replace him and how would they cope with the chaos that has enveloped the club off the field over the past 12 months?

I am not Kean’s biggest fan by any means, but the Summer was the time for action – now is the time for solidarity and to support the team building on some early signs that we may just be getting back to normality off and on the field.

I expect heavy criticism for my views, but they are my own and not just a platitude to the moaning masses who seem to revel in negativity.

I won’t be joining in the protest but if I feel the behaviour of the fans inside the ground is at detriment to the team, I will be making my own feelings known, minority or not.

No no no no. You'll be one of the misguided that puts Labour back in at the next election and futher wreck the country.

The club is heading down under the current manager and owner and a procrastinating, wait and see attitude will only confirm this.

By the way this action is not a negative one but POSITIVE. A negative reaction would be to sit on your hands and watch teh club head for oblivion.

Kean out, Venky out, Anderson out, everyone out. Someone else in I don't care who, it can't get worse.

[Barnesy]

Exactly, there will always be a reason why it's not a good time to protest. The fact is it needs to be done before it's too late - and after another 3 or 4 games it will be too late.

[Darth Paul]

No no no no. You'll be one of the misguided that puts Labour back in at the next election and futher wreck the country.

The club is heading down under the current manager and owner and a procrastinating, wait and see attitude will only confirm this.

By the way this action is not a negative one but POSITIVE. A negative reaction would be to sit on your hands and watch teh club head for oblivion.

Kean out, Venky out, Anderson out, everyone out. Someone else in I don't care who, it can't get worse.

So in response to your last sentence who exactly are you protesting against? The manager or the owners?

This is my worry - do the masses know why they are protesting or just joining in, and the 'Kean and Venkys out, dont care who replaces them' view is utter madness...lets.hope we dont get Avram Grant and Thaksin Shinawatra eh?

[Barnesy]

So are u expecting Jenson to do better in the 3 or 4 games or what? Venky's surely have not got an ideal replacement who will meet the apparent needs of the Venky's and protesters (ie.one is grounded in successful premier league experience, has no money until January and needs to travel to India each Month-all non-conditional it seems) Just who do you have in mind for the post? I can't think of anyone realistic. Please don't say anybody but Kean as there are a lot worse candidates out there.

[DE.]

Kean was 1 great save from Robbo away from giving us our worst EVER league start, he also presided over something like our worst run in 20+ years last season. Honestly, how much worse can it get? I'd rather we took a chance now and got rid of him, rather than stick by him and accept the inevitable fate of such a decision - relegation.

[chris]

So are u expecting Jenson to do better in the 3 or 4 games or what? Venky's surely have not got an ideal replacement who will meet the apparent needs of the Venky's- (ie.one is grounded in successful premier league expereince, has no money until January and needs to travel tot |India each Month-all non-conditional it seems) Just who do you have in mind for the post. Please don't say anybody byt Kean as there are a ot of worse candidates out there.

"On 6 October 2010 John Jensen was sacked from Randers FC after a series of nine losses and two draws in 11 matches."

I'm sure if Kean works hard he can match this record.

[Plastic Head]

So in response to your last sentence who exactly are you protesting against? The manager or the owners?

This is my worry - do the masses know why they are protesting or just joining in, and the 'Kean and Venkys out, dont care who replaces them' view is utter madness...lets.hope we dont get Avram Grant and Thaksin Shinawatra eh?

I'd take those 2 right now. Grant has a better record than Kean despite being relegated twice. Look where City are now!!

Protest against the manager on Saturday as this is the first step.

[den]

Kean was 1 great save from Robbo away from giving us our worst EVER league start, he also presided over something like our worst run in 20+ years last season. Honestly, how much worse can it get? I'd rather we took a chance now and got rid of him, rather than stick by him and accept the inevitable fate of such a decision - relegation.

Yep, 1 point off being the worst start in a season for 123 years. Don't forget that follows the worst run for 25 years last season. All following a 10th place finish. They're some stats aren't they!

Good news is, if we stick with Kean, he says there's more of that to look forward to.

[Mercer]

I actually think there is a fair chance that Venkys will bin Kean before Saturday.

Why ?

Well, it's a pretty safe bet that they've been considering managerial options since March and, if speculation is correct, even at this minute. Therefore, there are already likely to be big question marks against Kean in the eyes of Venkys and the last thing they will want is bad PR, media coverage, particularly as Sky will beam around the world on Saturday.

Simply, therefore, why wait any longer to bin him ?

This excellently coordinated, potential (as wont be needed if he goes before Saturday), activity orchestrated by Glen might just be the bale of hay that breaks the camel's back.

Would expect the odds with the National bookies to shorten pretty quickly now.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Simply, therefore, why wait any longer to bin him ?

Because nobody else wants the job ?

Pointless getting rid of Kean - to have Jensen stand in for months. They need somebody lined up ready to take over - or things will go from bad to worse. We no longer have a Parkes waiting in the wings - or John Williams steading the ship.

[Hughesy]

LISTEN TO THE FANS

90% want Kean out....he has to go!!! BUT IF/ When he goes, DO NOT replace him with another average coach with no experience....We NEED an experienced manager, one who will gain respect from his squad and one who has the tactical nous to help us progress. Aswell as the ability to spot a talent when recruiting new players.

No more Ince’s, Keans or similar statures please. Get formulating those plans Venkys and get someone of Hughes’ ilk lined up.

[Stuart]

In any event the time for this protest was weeks ago, given that those against Kean have held the same views since before the season started and have not, nor would not change those views regardless.

I picked this line out because it frustrated me greatly.

People have been told time and time again, now is not the time to protest, give him more time. It's too soon. Premature. Etc, etc.

Now that people are actually about to muster up the courage to physically demonstrate, you say we've missed the boat? Difficult to swallow that, Paul.

I can understand concerns about the protest itself, though...

The key to the protest being effective, is to have a decent cross-section of the Ewood crowds. It needs to have men, young and old, women and children. It cannot be just a bunch of young lads shouting the odds and being looked down on by the rest of the fan-base, otherwise, it will be written off as a minority, a "lunatic element" even.

Failure to get the message and delivery right and it may end up backfiring. For the same reason that people are shouted down in the Riverside for expressing their frustration, people don't want to be seen to rock the boat - or not "be a fan".

It's a simple question. Do people think Kean can turn the situation around?

Messages coming from out of Venky's are mixed. One minute they "read this board" and are "in touch with Kamy", yet other times, they are "not aware of the feelings of the fans". Therefore, if the answer is no, let's at least rule out the margin for doubt and ensure they are aware of the feelings of fans.

If the answer is yes, do not complain if you are wrong and we are relegated.

It'll be too late for "I hold my hand up, I was wrong".

[Darth Paul]

Because nobody else wants the job ?

Pointless getting rid of Kean - to have Jensen stand in for months. They need somebody lined up ready to take over - or things will go from bad to worse. We no longer have a Parkes waiting in the wings - or John Williams steading the ship.

This more or less sums up how I feel - reminds me of the old Souness saying 'We have to wee with the willy we've got'. Sadly, unless a viable alternative manager is already lined up, and further transfer funds are available for January without selling (I suspect niether are) then our current management team IS probably better than nothing, despite what some might think.

I hope the protest achieves something postive for the club, any protest is only worthwhile if it can make a positive change. Some may have inside knowledge that I don't that makes them believe it will, fair play to them...time will tell.

[T4E]

Then surely you can understand why people want to make their feelings known about a manager who they feel is a detriment to the team?

There is never a convenient time to protest. I think the longer the season goes on, the less convenient it becomes.

From what I can gather, Glen seems fairly certain this will force Venky's hand. If that is based on good knowledge then it has to be worth doing.

Totally agree. Those saying that this a bad time - please could you explain how exactly we can afford to wait any longer? Ince went in December when we had 13 points from 17 games, we needed one of the most exprienced managers in the country to dig us out of that. We're not going to get a manager who is as much of a sure thing on this occasion, so it's imperative that we give the incoming manager a fighting chance.

Can anyone really see us getting 39 points from the next 34 games under Kean? Particularly seeing as his 25 league games so far have seen us pick up 23 points? It's going to take a fairly major upturn in his/our performance for us to even achieve borderline relegation form.

[TimmyJimmy]

We had this debate in the second half of last season.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and that should be respected.

However, many feel that this issue can't be left any longer otherwise it will simply be too late and we will be hurtling towards the Championship with no brakes or reverse gear.

We had the debate last season because Benitez was coming in the close season if and only if we stayed up. The deal later fell apart but that didn't invalidate our decision to stay behind the team.

Totally agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion and that those opinions should be respected. It's not too much of a stretch to say that we actually all have the same opinion (bar 10% ish), what we perhaps disagree on is what to do about it or when.

If change would guarantee an escape from the bottom three then I'd be in the protest like a shot but I really doubt that anyone sensible would take over from Kean, we could end up with the next Ince or Laws, at least Kean staying put would minimise the disruption on the team (and what little spirit is left in the dressing room).

I'm just expressing my opinion here and to be fair it's probably best not to take too much notice of it as I got it well wrong over Ince at the time, so what do I know. I just have the overwhelming feeling that any protest would have big adverse consequences. I think the Venkys value saving face over almost anything else, a humiliation on TV could just push them to shut up shop and let the club fester on its own. If they can discover the inevitable like the rest of us already have then they can take the decision themselves without being put to shame and we may get a better outcome. May, perhaps, hopefully, with luck - always the sign of a weak argument, but it's the best I got.

Do what you must but be careful what you wish for. At the moment we aren't part of the problem, it's all Kean's doing, but that changes when we protest and we will have to account for our actions should the worst happen.