[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[K-Hod]

I've read posts well in to Kean's reign saying that we were 'stagnating', the 2010 record says different.

It's amazing how stubborn people can be when it comes to Allardyce....

[John]

I've read posts well in to Kean's reign saying that we were 'stagnating', the 2010 record says different.

Yeah def, top ten finish and we were on course for another one, along with a cup semi final - the football was horrible though and the man is just a slug

[Mattyblue]

Best stop now before we get blamed for 'ruining another thread with BFS talk'

[DE.]

yes de4, would definately have a chance of being published, encaptulates the way everyone is feeling.

I would have a damn good try, it echos the thoughs of so many of us and covers all the issues, great post!

Thanks guys, I've sent an e-mail across to Cryer enquiring about it. I appreciate he may not opt to go any further with it as there's a lot of negativity surrounding the club already, but it's worth a try.

Best stop now before we get blamed for 'ruining another thread with BFS talk'

Problem is Allardyce is becoming more relevant with each game that passes, especially with Kean spectacularly failing at imitating the big man's football philosophy in the past few weeks, having seen his own fail miserably.

[John]

A year at the helm and what a year it has been....

"We are showing people we are a club moving forward, we want to finish in the top ten this season and build a squad in the summer that can finish in the top six.

“When the plans are like that and that is what the owners want to do, players can see that as a challenge and want to come to a club on the up and on the front foot.

“It is about getting a few signings made and there will be a bit of excitement about the club and positivity about the place.”

[Steve Moss]

If it has a chance of being published in the LET or anywhere else I'd be happy to make the modifications and submit accordingly. Do you guys think there is a chance of it being included?

Yes. It is well-written and to the point. They would be crazy not to publish it.

We sat in the print works on Sunday before Crüe and watched the game , I was amazed it was full of rovers fans ! I was randomly sat with a Blackpool fan who was returning from Southampton . He couldn't get his round thT kean hasn't been sacked and he reckoned holloway is ewood bound ! Probly just Stella talk!

I would take him in a second over Kean.

[koi]

Well Hollo has a fair collection of chickens so if he ever does come to Rovers (not that he would) I hope he doesn't invite the Mrs D round for lunch..

[rovers11]

Just reading on Vital Football that Glen Mullan is close to getting a group of supporters to meet with Steve Kean and senior officials at Ewood. Good work Glen.

My only concern is, does this mean Steve Kean's future is safe? Fair play to him for being willing to meet fans but that is not going to turn him into a good manager.

[Clitherover]

I would take him in a second over Kean.

Me too, but could you ever see him as a Venkys yes man?

[Jimmy612]

It's amazing how stubborn people can be when it comes to Allardyce....

Correct K-Hod.. Many still persist in saying 'I wanted him sacked, but only if we got an experienced manager' arguably the most ludicrous statement, judging by the fact that Allardyce is one of the most experienced managers in PL history.

Obviously the people who saw the writing on the wall last December were given all sorts of stick for 'loving Allardyce' when all we really did was recognise a manager who was doing an excellent job, and had us punching above our weight.

[broadsword]

My only concern is, does this mean Steve Kean's future is safe?

Not if ABBEY's going along to meet him.

[Rovermatt]

Excellent post DE. Polish it up a wee bit and forward it to the LET/Guardian/BBC etc.

[Amo]

Correct K-Hod.. Many still persist in saying 'I wanted him sacked, but only if we got an experienced manager' arguably the most ludicrous statement, judging by the fact that Allardyce is one of the most experienced managers in PL history.

And one of the most prosaic.

[Rovermatt]

Correct K-Hod.. Many still persist in saying 'I wanted him sacked, but only if we got an experienced manager' arguably the most ludicrous statement, judging by the fact that Allardyce is one of the most experienced managers in PL history.

Hardly a 'ludicrous statement'. If Allardyce had been sacked and replaced with Martin O'Neill for instance nobody would have been complaining. The problem is patently the appointment of Steve Kean.

[den]

Hardly a 'ludicrous statement'. If Allardyce had been sacked and replaced with Martin O'Neill for instance nobody would have been complaining. The problem is patently the appointment of Steve Kean.

The people who wanted Sam out presumably knew that we could quite easily get someone worse, but evidently didn't care?

Have I got that right Matt?

[patrickvalery]

Correct K-Hod.. Many still persist in saying 'I wanted him sacked, but only if we got an experienced manager' arguably the most ludicrous statement, judging by the fact that Allardyce is one of the most experienced managers in PL history.

Obviously the people who saw the writing on the wall last December were given all sorts of stick for 'loving Allardyce' when all we really did was recognise a manager who was doing an excellent job, and had us punching above our weight.

And can i be the first to say how nice it is that you haven't clung to that bitterness and hurt. So refreshing that you've forgiven and moved on.

[Mattyblue]

Hardly a 'ludicrous statement'. If Allardyce had been sacked and replaced with Martin O'Neill for instance nobody would have been complaining. The problem is patently the appointment of Steve Kean.

Still reckon we were stagnating matt, considering our form over 2010 made us the 6th best side in the league?

[Andy]

Hardly a 'ludicrous statement'. If Allardyce had been sacked and replaced with Martin O'Neill for instance nobody would have been complaining. The problem is patently the appointment of Steve Kean.

Not quite.

If Big Sam had been sacked and replaced with O'Neill, only for us to go on a similar run as we have under Kean, it would still have been a horrendous decision to sack Sam.

[Amo]

Not quite.

If Big Sam had been sacked and replaced with O'Neill, only for us to go on a similar run as we have under Kean, it would still have been a horrendous decision to sack Sam.

And what if we'd kept Sam and gone on the same run of form as Kean?

You could make that argument for anything.

Our current problems reach far beyond sacking Allardyce. He never figured in the Venky's equation. Trying to use his dismissal as a constant stick to beat supporters is ridiculous.

[Jimmy612]

And can i be the first to say how nice it is that you haven't clung to that bitterness and hurt. So refreshing that you've forgiven and moved on.

Moved on to what exactly Patrick? Did you want me to clamber on to the Steve Kean bandwagon after the Liverpool game, as many people did.

Also forgiven whom? Venkys for sacking Allardyce, and ultimatelty sacrificing our Premiership status, or the berks who celebrated the sacking of a man who had taken us from relegation favorites to a solid premier league team in just under 2 years on a shoestring budget.

Moved on

[Jimmy612]

And what if we'd kept Sam and gone on the same run of form as Kean?

You could make that argument for anything.

Trying to use his dismissal as a constant stick to beat supporters is ridiculous.

There is very little evidence to suggest that we would have gone on a run of only 7 wins in 33 games. But you're right, theres no evidence to suggest we would have done under O'Neill.

But who cares about Martin O'Neill, he was never linked to the club. Nor were the other names being foolishly blurted about as possible replacements. Martin Jol was considered by many to be a more exciting prospect than SA, not sure how but anyway.

The thing that got up my nose was the fact that so many fans were so blooody smarmy and cocky when he was sacked with comments of 'anyone would be better than the fat slug' or 'maybe my neck can recover after two years of hoofball'. You all completely dismissed what a good job he had done, and what a risk it is to sack a manager who is doing a decent job, and has a vast knowledge of how to survive in the PL.

2 months later of course came the 'oh I would only have sacked him if a decent replacement was available' Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it.

And yet very few of you have the decency to admit you were wrong, that's what annoys me

Incidentally I completely agree with your comments. Venkys never wanted Sam in, I assume JA and Kean had their feet under the table long before Sam was sacked.

[Kendalrover]

And what if we'd kept Sam and gone on the same run of form as Kean?

You could make that argument for anything.

Our current problems reach far beyond sacking Allardyce. He never figured in the Venky's equation. Trying to use his dismissal as a constant stick to beat supporters is ridiculous.

Topman you are quite right nothing is gauranteed in football and we could have had the same record under BFS as we have had with Kean.

However if we had kept BFS we would almost certainly have kept John Williams and Tom Finn. If the same scenario had occurred they would have known what to do and would have done it.

[patrickvalery]

Moved on to what exactly Patrick? Did you want me to clamber on to the Steve Kean bandwagon after the Liverpool game, as many people did.

Also forgiven whom? Venkys for sacking Allardyce, and ultimatelty sacrificing our Premiership status, or the berks who celebrated the sacking of a man who had taken us from relegation favorites to a solid premier league team in just under 2 years on a shoestring budget.

Moved on

It wasn't meant literally. I thought that much was obvious.

I was making light of the fact that you still held a grudge for the way some folk behaved after Allardyce got canned. Still bitter that some people rejoiced in his sacking.

I find it amusing (if that's the correct word) that people bathe in glory about 'how they were right all along' about the impending doom to be suffered as a result of Allardyce' sacking. Like, despiste the abundance of brown stuff scattered about our club, some people take solace in the fact their suspicions were right all the time. To me it just feels like the sort of sadistic pleasure i might get in predicting the lump under my armpit was the plague before a doctor diagnosed it.

You're right of course. We'd at least be looking healthier in terms of our league position. I'm not daft enough to dispute that. But what's done is done. I don't see any point in looking back and wondering what might have been.

As it goes (i am fearful of being branded a Keanite) i liked Sam Allardyce the man. I liked his arrogance. Like a black country Mourinho! But i didn't go much on his football. It was effective - i'll give him that much. I just didn't find it entertaining. Would i swap it for our current brand? A resounding yes. But i'm honest enough to admit i didn't enjoy the Allardyce style. It just seems its OK to admit that about the way Kean's side plays but its wholly unacceptable to say that about an Allardyce side. Strange.

[hesfromburn]

I dont understand why people dont like sam after what he did for us and what we achieved I hold him in the same high regard as hughes or souness we were improving all the time some of the football played in his last few months was excellent with some decent wing play - just look at the highlights of the goals we scored he was really mixing it up and winning matches and doing this while coping with injurys. I miss that mad one arm windmill celebration of his.

Whats kean done? Mr no charisma kean?

It just seemed to be a phrase "the footballs boring" by a true 1 percent who didnt have a clue. Because if you watched a game it clearly wasnt. Sam deserves and earnt respect and he has gpt the upmost from me!

[Mattyblue]

I don't get any sadistic pleasure from it patrick, just a feeling of sheer frustration in what this club has lost.

Let's face it Venkys and Sam, just like Venkys and Williams was never going to work, so there's no point in lamenting it as a mistake on venkys behalf.

What does give me a bit of peverse pleasure, however are the pundits, managers and stats pointing out the football is still hoof based, however a far less effective version of it.

Just need some of the rabid anti Sam fans to admit it.