[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[Mattyblue]

You are a good poster Paul, have enjoyed sone of your writings elsewhere.

However, I feel you are being disingenous with the 'wrong tiime' line.

IF we had set this up for the summer or for opening day, I would imagine that yourself and others would have said

'what?! Before we've even kicked a ball? Pathetic!'

and you would probably have had a point. Now is the only time, before we are adrift.

Steve Kean was an appalling appointment 9 months ago and he is an appalling manager now.

For me, it's no 'witch hunt', all the personal stuff means nowt, I only care for the club and in the winning of football matches. Like Ince, he is just not up to it.

[Andy]

I agree with you Matty.

I actually read somebody's view on here yesterday that said they'll only back sacking Kean when we're well adrift at the bottom of the league and there's no way back!!

Seriously, what kind of logic is that?

Why not act when the writing is on the wall, but before it's too late?

[47er]

Do what you must but be careful what you wish for. At the moment we aren't part of the problem, it's all Kean's doing, but that changes when we protest and we will have to account for our actions should the worst happen.

The worst is happening.

[A cup of beans]

LISTEN TO THE FANS

90% want Kean out....he has to go!!! BUT IF/ When he goes, DO NOT replace him with another average coach with no experience....We NEED an experienced manager, one who will gain respect from his squad and one who has the tactical nous to help us progress. Aswell as the ability to spot a talent when recruiting new players.

No more Inces, Keans or similar statures please. Get formulating those plans Venkys and get someone of Hughes ilk lined up.

any names, hughesy... realistic ones ??

surely you should also say that the owners line up an experienced replacement.. make sure one wants the job too ??

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

For what its worth Darth Paul I agree with you. I was all for sacking Kean when we didn't win a match for 3 months from February-April, but since then his league record reads:

Played 8 Won 2 Drawn 3 Lost 3

To me thats indicating signs of improvement. Whats the point in suffering through his woeful start, Venkys making the (correct as it proved) decision to stick with him in the relegation battle, letting him sign 10 new players, and then sacking him after 1 game in which he could truly call it his squad? Especially when we drew that game away from home?

Maybe I'm more willing to give Kean a shot than most because I really don't fancy our chances of getting any of the suggested replacements. For me its yet again Rovers fans forgetting the reality of how we are now one of the smallest clubs in the league and not an attractive prospect. If you look at our our managerial appointments since Jack passed away its a good indication of the quality we can now attract:

Hughes - At the time had only managed Wales.

Ince - League 2 success with Macclesfield and MK Dons.

Allardyce - Outstanding appointment, but could only get him because of the widely held view that his football is awful to watch.

Kean - Allardyce's first team coach.

So 3 that were totally inexperienced at this level, and 1 that had a huge stigma attached to him. O'Neill, Curbishley, Hughes (of now), Ancelotti, Moyes etc do not fall into either of those categories. We were in this exact situation 9 months ago when fans inexplicably assumed a top class manager was going to replace Allardyce, it didn't happen that time and the reality is that in all likelihood it won't happen this time. If the argument is anyone could do better than Kean then fine, if the argument is we'll get a good manager in to replace him then you're assuming something that could well not happen.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

LISTEN TO THE FANS

90% want Kean out....he has to go!!!

90% of how many fans. All because a noisy section call for his head doesnt necessarily mean 90% of all fans.

[pick32]

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion even if 9/10 people think they are wrong.

[Mattyblue]

Kean not getting us relegated is not a plus point! That was a top half performing team he ruined with his incompetence.

Now without the Allardyce point buffer his inadequacy is all too painfully clear. We are not improving, the performances are getting more ragged, the fitness levels are regressing to pub team levels.

Not good enough for a PL football club, not by a long shot.

90% of how many fans. All because a noisy section call for his head doesnt necessarily mean 90% of all fans.

Being a local lad, most Blues I know are in real life and I hav never known such a united fanbase, apart from maybe Ince post Wigan.

[RibbleValleyRover]

We don't know who would be interested in the job if it becomes available only Venky's will. Having said that we are a premier league club and that is unquestionably a major pulling factor. There are plenty of out of work managers looking to rebuild their reputation who would be interested in taking it, especially if it's say a 1 year deal allowing either side to walk away if it doesn't work out. Foreign managers as well might want to test their management skills and ability in what is regarded as one of the toughest leagues in the world.

When Souey left us and we were in a dire situation there were plenty of applicants at the time. Same when Ince left us in a right mess. People are underestimating the attraction a job like this has.

I am absolutely certain that if this time Venky's carry out a proper selection and interview process we will end up with a better manager than we have now.

[pick32]

We asked 612 people should Steve Kean be sacked our survey says.... Damn rite

[Kelbo]

You live and die by the sword, every single manager (bar Kean who I dont rate as a manager) is hired and fired by results, indeed, experienced managers would die to be given the time Kean has had, he has failed because of the following reasons.

1) Failed to get results

2) Failed to motivate his players

3) Poor organisation skills

4) Poor tactics

5) By being a total yes man to the owners and not standing up for the club.

6) Poor planning in the close season with regards to transfer targets.

7) The inability to recognise the balance of the squad is not adequate

8) His communication to the clubs fanbase

9) His comments on performances which leave supporters totally bemused

and finally,

10) His belief that he is untouchable because of his relationship with both Anderson and now Venkys.

For me they are 10 great reasons for him to be potted, however just about every other Premier Club manager, would have been potted for reason number one alone!

[RibbleValleyRover]

Ok now this might have me worried:

http://twitter.com/#!/rupayanb

rupayanb rupayan bhattacharya

#Rovers fans are so angry with #Kean, it seems that If #Venkys depute Indian ex star Bhaichung Bhutia as manager, they will not question it!

Would Venky's appoint this man as manager?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baichung_Bhutia

[BuckyRover]

Ok now this might have me worried:

http://twitter.com/#!/rupayanb

rupayanb rupayan bhattacharya

#Rovers fans are so angry with #Kean, it seems that If #Venkys depute Indian ex star Bhaichung Bhutia as manager, they will not question it!

Would Venky's appoint this man as manager?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baichung_Bhutia

What are you talking about?

Its already been accepted on here that it can't get any worse. So this guy must be better than Kean

[glen9mullan]

Quick question?,

Been asked to do a TV interview for Danish TV tomorrow, and they are quite interested on the fans opinion about John Jensen,

How does everyone feel about him?

Me personally have no problem with him being on coaching team, he appears quiet but have no first hand knowledge of how good he is in training ground

[philipl]

Ok now this might have me worried:

http://twitter.com/#!/rupayanb

rupayanb rupayan bhattacharya

#Rovers fans are so angry with #Kean, it seems that If #Venkys depute Indian ex star Bhaichung Bhutia as manager, they will not question it!

Would Venky's appoint this man as manager?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baichung_Bhutia

There are so many reasons why Kean should go over and above the ten listed by Kelbo that I would almost take Bhutia as the price of steam cleaning and sanitising the club after Kean's departure.

Anyway I think the days of Rovers getting a pass from the PL for coaches not in posession of UEFA badges ended with Ince's sacking.

[daverich]

Quick question?,

Been asked to do a TV interview for Danish TV tomorrow, and they are quite interested on the fans opinion about John Jensen,

How does everyone feel about him?

Me personally have no problem with him being on coaching team, he appears quiet but have no first hand knowledge of how good he is in training ground

No problem with him being on the coaching staff, but not as manager or assisstant manager.

We need a clean slate.

[chris]

Quick question?,

Been asked to do a TV interview for Danish TV tomorrow, and they are quite interested on the fans opinion about John Jensen,

How does everyone feel about him?

Me personally have no problem with him being on coaching team, he appears quiet but have no first hand knowledge of how good he is in training ground

I am not bothered about him too much as people know I really think it's all down to the person in charge, not that I want to start a Harford/Kidd arguement.

But I have spotted a lot of people blaming him and his involvement, there was a thread about him.

So he doesn't have a lot of fans.

I googled him earlier and saw he got sacked for 9 defeats and 2 draws in November 2010............thats worrying, he seems like Kean ,very unsuccessful.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Looks like that Indian football journalist was joking about Baichung Bhutia.

On Jensen I don't know if anyone has any knowledge about how good or poor a job he is doing. If you look at the results since he came in as Kean's No.2 it doesn't look like he has had a positive impact. If Kean is axed I think Jensen has to go as well, allowing the next manager to bring in their own staff and also remove the option of Venky's once again promoting from within. Jensen's managerial record is just as bad as Kean's.

[philipl]

Criminal for Jensen to stay given the way McDonald had to be fired.

Coming out of the Anderson/ SEM stable means that if Mrs D is persuaded to be rid of Kean, Jensen will have to go too as she apparently doesn't like her kid brother's friend any longer.

[PAFELL]

Quick question?,

Been asked to do a TV interview for Danish TV tomorrow, and they are quite interested on the fans opinion about John Jensen,

How does everyone feel about him?

Me personally have no problem with him being on coaching team, he appears quiet but have no first hand knowledge of how good he is in training ground

Is not jensens aents kentario

[chaddyrovers]

Time for Jensen to leave with Kean

[Mercer]

Quick question?,

Been asked to do a TV interview for Danish TV tomorrow, and they are quite interested on the fans opinion about John Jensen,

How does everyone feel about him?

Me personally have no problem with him being on coaching team, he appears quiet but have no first hand knowledge of how good he is in training ground

IMO, Jensen was 'shoe-horned' in by his agent(s), Kentaro, and wasn't personally known by Kean at the time.

His managerial record is patchy at best with his best moments as an assistant to Laudrop @ Getafe.

Not certain on the date of his appointment but roughly coincided with beginning of Feb. and since then our record is just 2 wins and 13 points in 18 PL games.

Gossip was that he got off to a 'sticky' start with the players.

You would therefore question just what he has brought to Rovers !?!?

[ABBEY]

Jensen it's gone tits up since mr prolific came on the scene

[mark1875]

Not certain on the date of his appointment but roughly coincided with beginning of Feb. and since then our record is just 2 wins and 13 points in 18 PL games.

12th Jan

[Mercer]

12th Jan

Okay, since Jensen arrived, PL record:

P20, W3, D7, L10, F20, A31, P16

Glen - all the focus has to be on the PL record - if you include cup matches, the 2 wins against QPR & Sheff. Wed. make Kean's record slightly better.