[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[XLM]

Before you read any of the rest of my post understand that I'm not a "Kean lover" like I get labelled after anything I say.

I hated BFS with a passion, his football and his personality, but I gave him a fair crack of the whip at the start of last season because he had his team in place and had been given time to set them up in his image. We didn't kick on and so it was time for him to go. We looked no better than we did a year previous.

Kean now has his team in place and has been given time to set them up how he wants. The first 2 games could barely be counted because of the injuries and players that played with little to no preseason. Along with the fact that we had a squad which paled in comparison to the one we have now.

The two following games were far, far better. We deserved a comfortable victory against Everton and easily desrved a draw against Fulham. Those saying we were battered by Fulham either didn't watch the game or are so clouded by their hatred of Kean and/or our owners that their opinion can't be taken seriously. Fulham created 2 chances and scored 1 goal at home. Robinson made 2 comfortable "for the cameras" saves, but apart from that we dealt with their threat very well. We also had the better chances, Rochina in the first half when he should have passed to Goodwillie, Goodwillie and Formica in the second. Fulham have only lost 1 game at home this calendar year, so we acheived a result which should be commended, especially with Dunn, Samba and Hoilett going off injured and Olsson not starting because of a muscle strain (Givet is not a first choice left back, never has been, never will be).

We have a squad which is more than capable of staying up, we have a defence that most sides outside the top 4 would be envious of and a number of players who can change a game. Kean deserves to be allowed to show that his side under his stewardship can pick up points and show that we can avoid a relegation battle over the coming weeks. The games may be a bit tougher than some of the games that have passed but that is the bed that Kean has made for himself by not having his side ready for the start of the season, most likely through circumstance but still. If things don't continue to be turned around then he has to go. There is no point in putting a number of games on it, things can only be judged game by game, and right now he has earned himself more time.

More damage would be done by shipping him out now after 2 good performances. Who would even replace him? You can't just sack someone with no plan, Jensen would have to take over. Then whoever the new manager was to be would have to establish their style of play on a side that has just been put together with the sole aim of playing Kean's football.

If Formica's penalty against Everton had gone 2 inches to the right; half of the people calling for his head would not be doing so. It wasn't Kean's fault we missed 2 penalties and conceded one to a ridiculous decision. What he is in control of is how we set ourselves up and the chances we create. In the last 2 games we created the better chances in both and looked comfortable at the back.

There is far more that I could have said, but it'll probably fall on deaf ears anyway.

[Mattyblue]

Before you read any of the rest of my post understand that I'm not a "Kean lover" like I get labelled after anything I say.

I hated BFS with a passion, his football and his personality, but I gave him a fair crack of the whip at the start of last season because he had his team in place and had been given time to set them up in his image. We didn't kick on and so it was time for him to go. We looked no better than we did a year previous.

We spent nothing in the summer, had to bring in tripe like Benjani and MB Diouf for nowt, yet we would have gone 6th if we would have won his last game.

Can you explain how it was time for him to go?

One manager, good record= 'had to go, hated the bloke'

Other manager, terrible record= 'you lot are all clouded with hate'.

Can you see the flaw in your argument?

[den]

"I hated BFS with a passion, his football and his personality"

That's your answer Matty.

[XLM]

Don't read the whole post then, just take parts out of context. It's what I expected anyway.

[Mattyblue]

Don't read the whole post then, just take parts out of context. It's what I expected anyway.

I have read it, you disregard Kean's appaling record, not an issue, you reckon, as there have been mitigating circumstances.

Sam's very good record is also disregarded by yourself, with no mention of ANY mitigating circumstances throughout his reign.

Seems a very odd way of looking at things, perhaps explained by your 'anyone but Sam' stance.

[XLM]

I have read it, you disregard Kean's appaling record, not an issue, you reckon, as there have been mitigating circumstances.

Sam's very good record is also disregarded by yourself, no mention of ANY mitigating circumstances throughout his reign.

Seems a very odd way of looking at things, perhaps explained by your 'anyone but Sam' stance.

How would you know if I have an anyone but BFS stance? I don't.

I was giving Kean mitigating circumstances for the first 2 games. I'm not considering his first 6 months, like I didn't count BFS's first season. A manager deserves a chance on thier own terms.

I was merely saying that as much as I dislked BFS, I gave him a chance.

I knew I shouldn't have mentioned him though, it takes the focus away from what I was saying and gives even more reason for some to shoot it down and ignore the point of what I was saying. You live and learn.

[OJRovers]

XLM you say that Kean has earnt himself more time - in what way has 2 wins from 18 league games earnt him more time?

[Mercer]

Note that on Rovers' Official MB, new account registrations have been disabled.

Surprise, surprise !?!?!?!

[XLM]

XLM you say that Kean has earnt himself more time - in what way has 2 wins from 18 league games earnt him more time?

I explained in my orinigal post. I really can't be bothered re-typing what I've already said.

[Mercer]

Kean's sacking odds seem to have closed in a tad from yesterday with some of the 'nationals':

Lowest price 4/6, best price evens.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post

[chaddyrovers]

XLM I totally disagree with your comments.

Big Sam is a results based manager. This is what he produces on a tight budget. He saved us from relegation in his first season. Second season we finish 10th and third season we were on our way for challenging for Europe.

Sam Allardyce in his 3rd season wasn't allow to spend a penny on transfers and had to get 2 strikers in, 1 on a free and 1 on loan.

I am very confident that if Sam Allardyce was allow to remain as manager till the end of the season we would have achieve another TOP 10 FINISH for sure.

Also in his second season as a manager we had to sell players to sort of the finacial side of the club by selling Stephen Warnock(6.5 mil pounds), Derbyshire(3 mil), Gallagher(750K) and Roque Santa Cruz(16 million) and replace these with cheap option like Chimbonda(2 mil) and Kalinic(6 mil). Plus signings of Jacobsen(free), Salgado(free), Di Santo(loan), E Van Heerden(free but rarely played tho), He also Bought in Steven Nzonzi for 400k and Givet for 3.5 mil. Both have be excellent signings. To still finish 10th in the PL league was excellent from a very good manager!!!!!

Also think Sam Allardyce deserves alot of credit for what he achieve at rovers. I somewhat agree that his football wasn't good but Football is a result based game. No points for how well you played, it is about winning and scoring more goals than the other team. Different managers play different ways!. Look at Charlton Athletic now and where they were under Alan Curbishley. His football wasn't great but produce results and top half finishers. Then look at Arsenal, play good attractive football but haven't won everything in 6 years, Wenger is happy to acheive Champions league football every season but fans want to win TROPHIES there.

My view of the current time is Kean needs to be sack because his results are just not good enough!!! SIMPLE AS!!! KEAN OUT!!!

I would like to remind rovers fans that this is A RESULTS BASED GAME and that is what we should all remember!!!

[XLM]

This isn't about BFS. I only said I hated him but I gave him a chance. Jesus Christ.

[EDIT] This is the reason why I don't bother posting my opinions on here much. No one actually reads it and just picks out a section of your opinion to use it against you. What is the point?

[Hi Mack]

Before you read any of the rest of my post understand that I'm not a "Kean lover" like I get labelled after anything I say.

I hated BFS with a passion, his football and his personality, but I gave him a fair crack of the whip at the start of last season because he had his team in place and had been given time to set them up in his image. We didn't kick on and so it was time for him to go. We looked no better than we did a year previous.

Kean now has his team in place and has been given time to set them up how he wants. The first 2 games could barely be counted because of the injuries and players that played with little to no preseason. Along with the fact that we had a squad which paled in comparison to the one we have now.

The two following games were far, far better. We deserved a comfortable victory against Everton and easily desrved a draw against Fulham. Those saying we were battered by Fulham either didn't watch the game or are so clouded by their hatred of Kean and/or our owners that their opinion can't be taken seriously. Fulham created 2 chances and scored 1 goal at home. Robinson made 2 comfortable "for the cameras" saves, but apart from that we dealt with their threat very well. We also had the better chances, Rochina in the first half when he should have passed to Goodwillie, Goodwillie and Formica in the second. Fulham have only lost 1 game at home this calendar year, so we acheived a result which should be commended, especially with Dunn, Samba and Hoilett going off injured and Olsson not starting because of a muscle strain (Givet is not a first choice left back, never has been, never will be).

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This annoys me massively.....dont count? I'm afraid they do pal.......

[den]

This isn't about BFS. I only said I hated him but I gave him a chance. Jesus Christ.

[EDIT] This is the reason why I don't bother posting my opinions on here much. No one actually reads it and just picks out a section of your opinion to use it against you. What is the point?

You're as entitled as anyone to comment XLM, but as with all of us, folk will have a go back if they don't agree.

From your post, even though you say this isn't about Sam, the fact is that you said you gave Sam a year and we hadn't moved on, so he had to go. On the other hand Kean has had 9 months, two transfer windows and his record is appalling, - but you want to keep him.

Doesn't make sense XLM.

[ABBEY]

part of it is right ,this is NOTHING to do with sam ,hes gone ,deal with it.

Its all about kean.end of.

[Stuart]

part of it is right ,this is NOTHING to do with sam ,hes gone ,deal with it.

Its all about kean.end of.

Correct.

How's everything going Abs?

[ABBEY]

Correct.

How's everything going Abs?

no change thanks ,thank goodness.one day at a time.

[XLM]

You're as entitled as anyone to comment XLM, but as with all of us, folk will have a go back if they don't agree.

From your post, even though you say this isn't about Sam, the fact is that you said you gave Sam a year and we hadn't moved on, so he had to go. On the other hand Kean has had 9 months, two transfer windows and his record is appalling, - but you want to keep him.

Doesn't make sense XLM.

I didn't even say I wanted to keep Kean, just I think he should have more time to prove that he can do what he set out to with his team and his tactics.

If we haven't moved on then he should go.

This annoys me massively.....dont count? I'm afraid they do pal.......

They do for Rovers, but I don't think they should when judging Kean. Care to give a reason why they should? Pal.

[Billy Castell]

We don't have the luxury of time to see if Kean can turn this around XLM. I understand you saying give him time with these new players, but he has been utterly useless so far since he took over so what will change? His tactics change every game, the players look unfit and not motivated, the tactics are all over the place and Steve Kean's delusions that we are OK and his use of obscure statistics to say we could have won games all show that he is rubbish.

The two games in question should count against him as he was the manager, and had a pre-season to build and sort out a team. You can't just say game X doesn't count because it was before the transfer window closed, and Dann, Yakubu etc. were not here. The fact is, he was manager, we lost two games we could have got points fro and the team looked all over the place.

[PAFELL]

Criminal for Jensen to stay given the way McDonald had to be fired.

Coming out of the Anderson/ SEM stable means that if Mrs D is persuaded to be rid of Kean, Jensen will have to go too as she apparently doesn't like her kid brother's friend any longer.

Agreed, we must cleanse the club of Kentario / SEM in my opinion.

[mark1875]

I didn't even say I wanted to keep Kean, just I think he should have more time to prove that he can do what he set out to with his team and his tactics.

If we haven't moved on then he should go.

and at what point do you think he should go if we haven't moved on? just out of interest, how much time are we prepared to give the manager who is statistically the worst manager in our premier league history?

[XLM]

We don't have the luxury of time to see if Kean can turn this around XLM. I understand you saying give him time with these new players, but he has been utterly useless so far since he took over so what will change? His tactics change every game, the players look unfit and not motivated, the tactics are all over the place and Steve Kean's delusions that we are OK and his use of obscure statistics to say we could have won games all show that he is rubbish.

The two games in question should count against him as he was the manager, and had a pre-season to build and sort out a team. You can't just say game X doesn't count because it was before the transfer window closed, and Dann, Yakubu etc. were not here. The fact is, he was manager, we lost two games we could have got points fro and the team looked all over the place.

Finally a reply which is to what I actually wrote...

I wasn't meaning that the first 2 games should be written off because the transfer window hadn't closed, just that was another factor to be taken into account. The owners to blame for us not having a full squad at the start of the season, not the manager. And having N'Zonzi and Hanley at the back with Dunn and Emerton in the middle of the park is hardly comparable to N'Zonzi being in the middle with Dann and Samba at the back is it? Hoilett's lack of much preseason was also clearly evident in the first couple of games, same with Nelsen against Villa, he wasn't fit but had to play because nobody else could play.

The first 2 games being written off is still of detriment to how Kean should be judged because he's now got a harder set of games to be judged on. It's unfortunate, but it's how it has to be.

I refuse to comment on Kean talking crap, because most manager do talk crap. Kean just spouts positive crap instead of complaining. It may be more embarrassing, but so what really? It doesn't change anything.

I don't really think the players look unfit (apart from the ones who've had limited preseasons), the number of injuries we're picking up is a major concern though.

I also don't think it would be too late if we left it. I honestly believe we have an above average squad. We probably need another striker and a utility player, but you'd be hard pressed to find a club in the league who is 100% happy with their squad (outside of the obvious). I think bringing in a new manager would be more of a risk. November is new manager time. If it is looking desperate before that then fine. But I think we're a long way from looking desperate.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I didn't even say I wanted to keep Kean, just I think he should have more time to prove that he can do what he set out to with his team and his tactics.

If we haven't moved on then he should go.

They do for Rovers, but I don't think they should when judging Kean. Care to give a reason why they should? Pal.

Ok - I agree with some of your original post - especially that he has been unlucky in many respects so far this season. I am also concerned that this has become a witch hunt based on rumours - which has led to Kean being blamed for virtually everything. Under a previous manager - a point at Fulham would have been seen as a good one - escaping relegation as we did would have been viewed with some positivity (though he got us in the position in the first place) - but any negative is held against him with extreme prejudice and any positive is seen as not attributable to him. One of his failings is confidently going to the press that players have signed contracts or we have the biggest budget for a long time etc etc - personally I don't think he is lieing but being fed duff information from other people.

It may surprise you that I agree with Kean being replaced - I just don't get the feeling that the tactics are correct. We seem to constantly expose our full backs in the most basic of ways - we have players challenging for the same ball on regular occasions.

One thing I don't agree with - and why I have doubts about the march, petitions etc etc - is sacking him at all costs. If we are to sack him - we should have a GOOD manager lined up. However - if the rumours are true and Benetez was lined up to replace Kean in the summer - it is obvious that the Venkys have been looking to replace Kean for some time. You have to ask why he hasn't been replaced yet - my only conclusion is they can't find a half-decent manager willing to work with Blackburn yet. Bringing in a second rate manager would be just as bad as leaving Kean in the position - at least the players appear to be trying for him.

[perthblue02]

Oh Dear, looks like Jason Roberts is fearful of losing his steve kean PR man job , and looking to move into management My link

[John]

For those who liked or hated Sam, why not look forward - this is our club, we deserve so much better than Steve Kean, he should never have been appointed in the first place, clearly out of his depth.

Obviously he was was appointed via a crude conflict of interest - he might come good, however, let some other club be the guinea pig.