[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[Rover_Shaun]

Just been reading the Telegraph Q&A article from yesterdays Kean press conference and the imbecile is trying to blame injuries for us letting in goals left right and centre. You know the ONE DEFENDER we had injured from a largely settled back 4.

Q: Can you understand why everyone is still surprised you are still manager. It is 37 games and seven wins, so it is unusual surely?

SK: I don’t know if it is unusual. The owners have given my their backing and the players are behind me. We are in a position that is tough.

I’m not making excuses because I don’t like to make them but we have to look at the injury position we are in and it is tough to get a settled back four out for two games on the bounce.

Players are getting injured and accept that as areason why we are letting in goals. The back four of last season when we were picking up results all over the place, the back four was thesame every game

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Last season we won 5 games in 5 months. How is that winning games all over the place?

[Tom]

Just a reminder, threats of or advocating violence or illegal activites wont be tolerated here

[winstonsmith]

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/blog/2011-12-20/jack-straw-kean-can%E2%80%99t-turn-things-around-blackburn

Well done, Jack Straw !

Last Friday he issued a joint statement with Wayne Wild and others asking for Venky's to communicate with the fans, the sponsors and the wider community. Whilst welcoming such a statement as far as it went, I criticised it for not going on to make a clear call for Kean's removal. Well, credit where it is due. In an interview on Talksport, Jack has come out and made a clear statement calling for Kean to be replaced.

Great stuff !

[OJRovers]

Well done to Andy Cryer for printing the full Q&A, but Kean just dodges all the important questions so there are no new answers.

Glen/Simon - hope you press Kean for answers when you meet him!

[Mattyblue]

He was getting 'results all over the place'- in Blackburn, in London, in the midlands- yeah, there was usually about 4 defeats bookending these 'results', but that doesn't matter in Keano world.

[EgyptianPete]

Just bugs me how people fall into this stupid trap that he'd make a good manager.

The same man who said "you don't become a bad manager overnight" when sticking up for Kean.

Obviously, he's the footballing Aristotle we need to clear up this mess.

Yes I understand all that and don't disagree,

But someone has posted that if and a big if Shearer takes the job it's the big name Venky's have been looking for, will unite the fans for sure, and maybe persuade the want away players to stay, and of course there would be money available in January for reinforcements, the key would be Shearers number 2. food for thought. :!: :!:

[jrabrfc]

Here's the full Q&A from the Telegraph. Sorry if this has been posted before: Q&A from Telegraph

[John]

Just read the question and answer on the LET site, he seems confident that he will be manager for the transfer window. Generally speaking his usual rubbish on other areas.

[Brownie]

A well connected friend of mine just told me in The Royal Oak that he saw MGP in San Carlos last night. Said MGP asked Him who he thought the new manager was going to be. My friend Asked if he had missed something, MGP just smiled. For the record MGP wants Hughes back . Strange for me that MGP asked the question

[Neil Weaver]

Excellent. The pressure on Venkys is well and truly being cranked up. Think Kean will go tomorrow but the pressure shouldn't stop there. Venkys need to either start running the club properly or sell. Personally, I think their position is untenable so should sell.

Only just read Henry Winter's article. Correct, Mr 11 (about the pressure, hope you are about Kean), and Winter and Straw (just reading about Talksport) are good people to do a bit of digging about Venky's tenure which has got to be what happens next.

[LeChuck]

Alan Shearer is not the answer - he is a legend but not a manager.

With the right number two it could work. If we could find a quality assistant with good experience in this league then it could balance out Shearer's inexperience.

By the way...to all those who keep saying Kean shouldn't be blamed for not leaving his job, here's an article I found from when Ricky Sbragia left Sunderland.

"I do feel that the club needs a bigger name," said Sbragia. "I took over in a difficult situation. I was asked to keep the club up and I achieved that.

"I could've been selfish and stayed on but I felt it was best for the club for me to step down."

Dignity and selflessness that is a million miles from Kean's "I'm a fighter" bullshit.

[BRFC1995]

IF he is gone by tomorrow ,please god, i can't wait to hear the players bar roberts views in the press on him............everything about the guy surely means he carries £%&k all respect. He'll rightly get savaged in the postmortem.

Not even a career as a pundit to look forward to, who would want to listen to such an odious nasty character.......2nd thoughts Gary Neville screws that idea up.

[OJRovers]

I wouldn't want Shearer in as manager, with an experienced number 2. We need someone with experience and authority to get the club sorted from top down.

Why not have an experienced manager with Shearer as number 2?

[davulsukur]

Just read the question and answer on the LET site, he seems confident that he will be manager for the transfer window. Generally speaking his usual rubbish on other areas.

Just read that. Best question ever:

Q: Do you not think it would be better if you weren’t here?

SK: No, I don’t. The lads are 100 per cent with me. I think that shows in their play.

[Steve Moss]

Kean has been quoted as saying "I know what my back four will be but it will not be people who have too many games under their belts because we don't have them available."

Link to Sky Interview

Salgado anyone?

Is Kean saying he doesn't play payers when it would result in bigger payouts? Is this why he used to rest strikers after they scored? And does this mean he hasn't been playing the strongest team, as some bean counter thought the appearance bonuses were too high?

Could it go tits-up? Yes, of course it could.

But is it massively preferable to the current loser? 100% yes.

Shearer could unite the fans. In that regard he's much better than Kean. But he wouldn't steer the Rovers to PL survival. Regardless, I'll take him.

And what is with Shearer's refuasal to get his badges? Does he think they're beneath him?

Alan Shearer is not the answer - he is a legend but not a manager.

Mark Hughes is the one man I think who could do the job and succeed, but I don`t believe he would be willing to work within the current non-existant structure of the club.

This is wisdom and intelligence all wrapped up in one post. Both qualities which are on short display with Venkys.

[tugay5]

Can't work out from the q&a whether kean is spouting his usual bullshit or whether the owners are actually backing him to the hilt. My fears are that a win tonight against a poor Bolton side will keep him in a job abit like the Swansea result did. God I hate venkys so much!!!

[rovers_rob]

A well connected friend of mine just told me in The Royal Oak that he saw MGP in San Carlos last night. Said MGP asked Him who he thought the new manager was going to be. My friend Asked if he had missed something, MGP just smiled. For the record MGP wants Hughes back . Strange for me that MGP asked the question

The players are usually the last people to find out when the manager has been sacked but this just shows Kean has lost the dressing room when players like MGP are saying things like that.

[T4E]

Kean on injuries to the defence -

"Players are getting injured and accept that as a reason why we are letting in goals. The back four of last season when we were picking up results all over the place, the back four was the same every game."

[DE.]

Kean on injuries to the defence -

"Players are getting injured and accept that as a reason why we are letting in goals. The back four of last season when we were picking up results all over the place, the back four was the same every game."

Some in the media lap this BS up... we won twice between Feb - May. Twice. We drew a load of matches and lost a load of matches. Kean has never been in charge of a consistent winning team, ever, injuries or otherwise.

[Mr Maureen]

Just read the question and answer on the LET site, he seems confident that he will be manager for the transfer window. Generally speaking his usual rubbish on other areas.

Being manager for the next transfer window is his only objective.

Spin spin and more spin,the mouthpiece of Jerome Anderson.###### scandalous.

[Torgeir]

Kean on injuries to the defence -

"Players are getting injured and accept that as a reason why we are letting in goals. The back four of last season when we were picking up results all over the place, the back four was the same every game."

Sheesh there are some lazy journos out there! Why are no one putting him on the spot and calling his bluff? He has gotten away with so much BS and people in the media are still defending him. Incredible.

I hope we win tonight but it can tip both ways as none of the teams are remotely capable of defending themselves. Either way the decision to sack Kean should have been made already.

[Joar]

Reading the LT Q&A atm even if I swore to myself that I would never listen to or read anything Steve Kean says at any point because it really makes my blood boil, but I think I might have some self abuse issues... Anyways, quite a lot of things in the answers strike me as mindnumbingly stupid (remember, this is coming from someone like me, who clearly are missing a bit of capacity up top at the moment for the forementioned reason).

I believe in my heart

Now, even as intellectually challenged as I feel at the moment I still 'believe' with my brain rather than with a autonomic musclegroup. And I would have a lot more faith if I knew the people in charged was thinking with the right organ rather than randomly picking organs to do the thinking.

if we can get a side that is on the treatment room, on the pitch we will win games. That is not just me saying that, you speak to other managers and they will tell you the same.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance and think he meant "out of the treatment room", although I wouldn't mind a couple of them standing on the roof of the treatment room, and then jumping off. It would save us loads on the medical bills. I'm also pleased that he seems to admit that it's on the pitch matches are won. However, why on earth would anyone rely on what managers from other clubs say about Rovers to get a feel of the situation at Rovers. Surely they are not all hanging around Ewood or Brockhall 24/7 are they?

I’m not making excuses because I don’t like to make them

Really? I don't think I've heard anything BUT excuses. Surely if he doesn't like making them it would be better to... say... tell the truth?

(cont.)... but we have to look at the injury position we are in and it is tough to get a settled back four out for two games on the bounce.

...so... you're not making excuses? that right there looks like an excuse to me... Is it me being too litteral here, and actually reading into what you are saying. Did you mean "not making excuses" more in a metaphorical sense? or ironic? sarcastic? a lie?

picking up results all over the place

In which parallel reality was this?

It is not for me to make statements.

I think what you just said there can be considered a statement:

state·ment   [steyt-muhnt]

noun

1.

something stated.

2.

a communication or declaration in speech or writing, setting forth facts, particulars, etc.

Q: Do you not think the horrible atmosphere at almost every home game gets to the players?

SK: No I don’t think it does. I think you see that with our lads.

Then why are you constantly saying for the fans to back the team if you don't think it makes any difference? Should I conclude that you want the fans to cheer because YOU like it as an ego-trip, or because it makes YOU look good in the eyes of the owners?

The lads are 100 per cent with me. I think that shows in their play.

Playing like headless chickens are a sure sign of support is it? To be perfectly honest I would not trust anyone who was "100 percent" with someone. That to me sounds like mindless drones following a dictator. I'd rather them be somewhat less than 100 percent with someone, as that would give them the ability to question something if it is obviously in the wrong. If Alex Ferguson suddenly said that Vidic, while on crutches, should start the next game in goal, I'm pretty sure the players and staff wouldn't be 100 percent with him.

Q: Can you understand why people would say that the loser this evening is in deep trouble and the manager might be sacked?

SK: I can understand why that can be written. All I can do is prepare the team to win and express to you as honestly as I can, as I always do, that my conversations with the owners continue to be positive.

"Written"? Not said? oooooh k...... "Prepare the team to win". I'd much prefer you preparing the team to play 90+ minutes of football, preferably better than the opposing team, keep the little round thing out of our oblong-stick-net-thing, and put it as often as possible into their oblong-stick-net-thing. Preparing the team for an outcome of a game seems rather redundant if they are not prepared for the game itself.

Q: Do you believe you can prove all your doubters wrong?

SK: Yes, 100 per cent.

Again, 100 percent. Surely he must know that there are people on the other end of the positivity scale than him that will never, under any circumstances, be proved wrong about anything.

If you think they are ready you play them. You have to put the players in when they were ready.

This is something that nags me a bit in general about the football-language. The way to push all talk about decisions unto an unknown you person, when it, like in this instance surely is an I/me-issue. But I guess this answer sort of answers the question: Is Myles "son-of-a-corrupt-destroyer-of-football-clubs-agent" Anderson and Bruno "unknown-to-every-man-woman-and-child-in-the-known-world" Ribeiro ready for first team football?

I think the players we brought in in the last transfer window took time to bed in.

Past tense? So they are fully integrated and doing their best performances at the moment? Oh gods... I'm even more depressed now.

Sorry about all that. Needed to get some ranting out of my system. It sometimes helps, even if it's just keyboard smashing. Now let's see if I manage to uphold some of my other oaths today.

[Mattyblue]

The nonsense he spouts doesn't anger me anymore Joar, I've read it about 1000 times before, just white noise.

That's why I'm just amazed glen et al wanted to meet him, why do we need to hear it for the thousand and first time?

[Darwen_Blue]

I have also read the deluded ones Q&A and he reminds me of that Donald Rumsfeld Known, Knowns speech.

Maybe they had the same media trainer..? Either way complete b#####ks

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know"

Donald Rumsfeld

[Rovers_786]

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