[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[FourLaneBlue]

We did have a shocking period under Kean where we didn't win for 10 games but Sunderland also had a similar run of results with a vastly more experienced Steve Bruce in charge.

Exactly. "Vastly more experienced. Therefore, there is a reason to give Bruce more time.

What exactly in Kean's background suggests we should give him more time? What has he achieved as a manager? What experience can he put to good use? What did he do in the lower leagues to suggest that maybe, just maybe, he can hack it in an incredibly tough, unforgiving league?

Actually, forget it...they were rhetorical questions.

He's done squat.

He didn't deserve the job in the first place.

He sure as hell doesn't deserve it now.

[booth]

We did have a shocking period under Kean where we didn't win for 10 games but Sunderland also had a similar run of results with a vastly more experienced Steve Bruce in charge.

Bruce may be more experienced but isn't a great manager I think most will agree. Despite this, Bruce has done a better job at SFC than Kean has at BRFC.

Also Sunderland fans want Bruce out.

Saying Sunderland had a similar run to justify Kean staying on seems like flawed logic.

[Kennys Magic Hat]

Vastly more experienced. Therefore, there is a reason to give Bruce more time.

Or turn it round and say Vastly more experienced so should not be having such problems. Kean did turn round a 10 game winless streak with 4 games unbeaten and 2 wins to keep us up!

Its just ridiculous to sack a guy after 4 games of season, if you've given him the whole pre-season to build a squad in his mould. If results don't improve then fair enough, otherwise we will become the new Newcastle, sacking managers for fun!

[47er]

Whatever happens, Kean is fighting a losing battle with our 'fans'. Even if we win the next 3 games 3-0 then there'll be people who will find negatives in that.

He's got a terrible record overall since he took over yes, but he took over in very difficult circumstances and despite all that said we were doomed and would definitely go down, we stayed up with 4 excellent results when it really mattered. Yet still people were moaning because we didnt try to win against Utd at home after they equalised, we didn't beat West Ham and we conceded 2 goals in the 2nd half against Wolves.

These same people are now the ones trying to organise a major protest after Keans first game after the transfer window when he actually managed to get a credible result at a difficult away ground, despite losing important players to injury during the match and carrying several others as they couldnt be subbed!

We did have a shocking period under Kean where we didn't win for 10 games but Sunderland also had a similar run of results with a vastly more experienced Steve Bruce in charge. Its the Premier League and its so hard to get results. We only got results under Allardyce due to the style of football he played which killed the game and the entertainment value of any game we played in, it was absolutely terrible to watch. At least now under Kean we try to keep the ball on the floor and seem to have a much more attacking philosophy.

To sack Kean after 4 games like most are suggesting is ridiculous. Get behind the team and give him a chance to prove his worth like he did in the last few games of last season. If there's no improvement in the next few games, then it will be time for him to go and with over 3/4 of the season left there will be plenty of games left to pull it back.

Spin, complacency and unbounded optimism------all in one post!

[roverandout]

kenny, its not been about 4 games though has it? its been about the last 9 months, sheesh dont people get it??

[FourLaneBlue]

Or turn it round and say Vastly more experienced so should not be having such problems. Kean did turn round a 10 game winless streak with 4 games unbeaten and 2 wins to keep us up!

Its just ridiculous to sack a guy after 4 games of season, if you've given him the whole pre-season to build a squad in his mould. If results don't improve then fair enough, otherwise we will become the new Newcastle, sacking managers for fun!

Why on earth would you want to "turn it around"? 2 wins in 18 games. You want to "turn it around"? 4 games and 1 point.

Why would any Rovers fan not want him sacked?

The Newcastle analogy is a joke.

[Kennys Magic Hat]

Four Lane Blue and roverandout - I dont care about last season, he kept us up and thats all that mattered. All I'm saying is give a manager more than 4 games after a full pre-season to prove himself. We could quite easily be on 4 points and comfortably mid-table and Everton would be the ones in our position!

I'm all for sacking him if there's no improvement in the next few games, but I'm against any action now and definitely against a protest! If i may protest against a protest?!

[booth]

Kean did turn round a 10 game winless streak with 4 games unbeaten and 2 wins to keep us up!

He kept us up? It was his fault that we were in that position in the first place.

Another way of looking at it is that he fixed his own cock-up, and gave us all a coronary in the process.

Its just ridiculous to sack a guy after 4 games of season, if you've given him the whole pre-season to build a squad in his mould.

It's not after four games though is it. Games 27, won 6.

If results don't improve then fair enough, otherwise we will become the new Newcastle, sacking managers for fun!

So how long do we give him to avoid becoming the new Newcastle? I hope not enough to become the new Portsmouth.

[FourLaneBlue]

Four Lane Blue and roverandout - I dont care about last season, he kept us up and thats all that mattered. All I'm saying is give a manager more than 4 games after a full pre-season to prove himself. We could quite easily be on 4 points and comfortably mid-table and Everton would be the ones in our position!

I'm all for sacking him if there's no improvement in the next few games, but I'm against any action now and definitely against a protest! If i may protest against a protest?!

You can do what you like mate, it's a free country.

What you can't do is argue coherently about why Kean should not be potted this second.

Facts, our history under him and reality make it impossible.

PS - "Give a manager more than 4 games." He ain't a manager. Full stop. So, that negates your sentence.

For the good of Rovers, I want us to get an actual manager in. You can think what you like, but you won't convince anyone as you have no particularly rational basis for your arguments when considering Kean's record since his appointment. Add in his non-existent managerial record before and...well, there is no argument.

Protest against what you like. You will be protesting against what is for the best of BRFC, though.

As Kean ain't turning NOTHING around. He ain't got "it", whatever "it" is to be a successful Premiership manager. We know that now...

[joey_big_nose]

I don't know. At the end of last season I thought Kean had maybe turned it around with some good performances and good shape to the side which ultimately kept us up. He then did, to be fair, bring some decent signings into the side over the summer. However I have definitely moved to the sack him camp over the last couple of games because:-

1) We are in the ludicrous position of having no authoratative figure in midfield and spent our money on unneccessary creative players

2) Our tactical shape is weak

3) We have no established striker

4) Fitness is poor

We need someone to drill the hell out of this side and get them fit and disciplined. Keano is not that man.

One thing is for certain though - whoever we bring in needs to be decent. I think some people are deluding htemselves if they think "anyone would be better". It would be very easy for whoever to come in to be just as bad...

[steverovers]

I don't know what the argument is or why we are pussying around - his record speaks for itself.

He MUST go now to give us chance to save our season

[Hi Mack]

He kept us up? It was his fault that we were in that position in the first place.

Another way of looking at it is that he fixed his own cock-up, and gave us all a coronary in the process.

It's not after four games though is it. Games 27, won 6.

So how long do we give him to avoid becoming the new Newcastle? I hope not enough to become the new Portsmouth.

I would have basically said exactly the same, Kean kept us up? Don't make me laugh......we were there because of him!

Remember these? Stoke Birmingham Newcastle Blackpool all at home.....disgusting! He isn't a manager and never should be.

The day this scumbag goes I will forget about the last year at Ewood and I may enjoy my season ticket again!

I wish Glen could publish everything about Kean without retribution.......Kean Out!

[Veevs]

For those people voting to keep Kean based on a short run at the end of last season where we did ok.. please remember since then we have lost 1/3 of the players who started in those games and most of those who started on the bench.. not forgetting we basically misplaced the core of the team including our top scorer for the season (Niko), our best up and coming central defender (PJ) and our main man in the middle (JJ) and only really found an adequate replacement for PJ.

Humerous facts..

1- We lost well over 800 games worth of premier league experience and replaced that level of experience with 260games worth (of which 219games where played by the Yak and only 54 of those from the last 3 seasons)

2- We lost 15 players of the wage bill and recruited just 8 in total

3- For all the talk of Kean helping the youngsters progress this season sees us with the lowest number of outgoing (for experience) young loan players for many a year and the lowest number of youth players promoted to the senior reserve or main squads.

Also a question of curiosity... how many arrivals did we have in the U18 squad this year?

[Athlete]

Four Lane Blue and roverandout - I dont care about last season, he kept us up and thats all that mattered. All I'm saying is give a manager more than 4 games after a full pre-season to prove himself. We could quite easily be on 4 points and comfortably mid-table and Everton would be the ones in our position!

I'm all for sacking him if there's no improvement in the next few games, but I'm against any action now and definitely against a protest! If i may protest against a protest?!

he kept us up ???? when he took over we wasnt in any danger of the drop FFS !

[Athlete]

he kept us up ???? when he took over we wasnt in any danger of the drop FFS !

Now lets look at our next few fixtures were are we getting points from under Kean and Jensen ???? it is very difficult to see where our next points are coming from at home Dec 3rd Swansea at Home ??? away maybe a point at newcastle sept 24th another point at improving QPR Oct 15th possibility at Norwich 29th Oct and a good chance of 3 points at a poor Wigan Nov 19th ... c'mon Venkys get someone in with full control ( no kentaro influence ) , give the club a lift and give us a fighting chance cos under Kean,jensen and their masters we are only heading one way !

[CaliRoverNYC]

he kept us up ???? when he took over we wasnt in any danger of the drop FFS !

To be fair we were 5 points above the drop zone when he took over and 4 when the season ended.

That said I still think he should be gone, we have only outscored a team once (or there abouts) in the 2nd half of matches since he took over... I think that says something about his tactical know how compared to his peers.

[TimmyJimmy]

From what I've read on here the argument isn't about should Kean go or not - that sounds pretty unanimous. It's more about timing and whether there is better out there and whether they will work for Venkys.

The responsibility for this mess lays at the top for me ie Venkys. They alone are responsible for the debacle that became the Rovers governance structures and the lack of promised funding.

Is Kean complicit or responsible? For me clearly the former. I know that McInally who is a good friend of Kean's said that he was desperate to get players signed. Venkys continuously pulled the plug on deals or gave the bullet to anyone with experience who could negotiate to get the right deals. Kean was stuck between sounding upbeat (crazily so as it transpires) and sounding like a fool because the owners kept telling lies.

I feel I need to throw in the odd hygiene factor at this point and say that Kean is useless and should go ... however ...

I cannot think of a single manager who is both 'out there' and who would work for Venkys and have no money - be assured, Venkys have no money.

It's only pragmatic sense then to give Kean a few more games unless we want Christian Gross or his clones. We have little to no chance of surviving this season but the best shot we have under the circumstances as they exist right now is to hope that Kean gets more out of his players and pulls off an awful lot of good results before Christmas gets here. His luck has to turn surely?

Here's the hygiene factor again - Kean must go - but not in the absence of a proper manager and a transfer pot.

All the problems would be solved in one stroke if Venkys sold up and b*ggered off. This is what we should be protesting about. Kean is an easy (though still deserving) target.

Venkys out!

[Roversider]

Do I want Kean to go? Well, to be honest I am always uncomfortable with the idea that throwing the manager out will cure things and that is influencing me to stick with him for now. If we have a quality replacement available then yes, if not we might end up in an even worse state. The key issue to me that has always tipped the balance is how the players are choosing to play for the manager, I really don't see a lack of commitment so I don't buy the 'he's lost the dressing room' argument. Is his chosen style of play the best with our resources? On that I think his selection of players and tactics will see more passing but won't see us get more points than a more pragmatic and dare I say it, Allardyce style. How much of that is down to the owners and how much to him I don't know, if it is him then a change might help.

Are there quality replacements available? I'm sure that most fans would leap at Mark Hughes but he was the guy who walked out on us and also Fulham. Who else, Martin O'Neill - another serial quitter. Rafa Benitez - he's local and a big name but with no record at a club the size of ours. Dave Jones - possible but who on this board would be excited by him joining Rovers? And so on and on.

If some of the insinuations about Kean were backed up with statements we might be able to make a better choice - but they aren't and whilst I am desperate for the points total to rise quickly I am not of the Judge Roy Bean school of thought - "We'll give him a fair trial and then hang him."

No doubt I will be villified for my dislike of sacking managers so early in the season but that's my view.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Is nobody else worried that the protest march will work - Kean will be sacked - and we will be left with Jensen while our owners frantically try yo get somebody in place.

I made the point before - they are rumoured to have tried to get Benitez and failed - so they are obviously looking - but have obviously been unable to get somebody they consider adequate.

Whether you like him or not - it is rumoured the players largely do like him (not saying the liking a manager is necessarily a good thing). Given the turmoil our club has been in - Kean has actually been one of the few constants for the players - imagine removing that constant and just having the turmoil. Think how the players will react to the vacuum left behind.

All I am saying is that the anti-Kean people should be careful what they wish for - by all means replace with a decent manager - but the lynch mob just seem to be concentrating on getting Kean sacked and for some reason thinking we will from thin air appoint a decent manager. Given the experience during the transfer window - which do people think is the most likely - we get in a new manager quickly - or we remain largely rudderless for months virtually ensuring relegation ?

[Ralfinho]

Four Lane Blue and roverandout - I dont care about last season, he kept us up and thats all that mattered. All I'm saying is give a manager more than 4 games after a full pre-season to prove himself. We could quite easily be on 4 points and comfortably mid-table and Everton would be the ones in our position!

I'm all for sacking him if there's no improvement in the next few games, but I'm against any action now and definitely against a protest! If i may protest against a protest?!

These are our next games:

Blackburn v Arsenal, 12:45

Newcastle v Blackburn, 15:00

Blackburn v Man City, 15:00

QPR v Blackburn, 15:00

Blackburn v Tottenham, 15:00

Out of them games I can only see us getting 1 point from a possible 15, plus the 11 points already dropped. You cannot say Steve Kean needs more time.

The more time we give him, the harder the task will be to stay up. Sort your sh1t out and get in the real world pal

[neophox]

You want Venky's out? Then we will fall to pieces....we should be happy someone want our club at the moment....

I have to say it was an exciting lineup against Fulham but the main problem is that the new players should had arrived in July, not transfer deadline day but I agree that Mark Hughes would be a great manager but would he come?

[Ralfinho]

Is nobody else worried that the protest march will work - Kean will be sacked - and we will be left with Jensen while our owners frantically try yo get somebody in place.

I made the point before - they are rumoured to have tried to get Benitez and failed - so they are obviously looking - but have obviously been unable to get somebody they consider adequate.

Whether you like him or not - it is rumoured the players largely do like him (not saying the liking a manager is necessarily a good thing). Given the turmoil our club has been in - Kean has actually been one of the few constants for the players - imagine removing that constant and just having the turmoil. Think how the players will react to the vacuum left behind.

All I am saying is that the anti-Kean people should be careful what they wish for - by all means replace with a decent manager - but the lynch mob just seem to be concentrating on getting Kean sacked and for some reason thinking we will from thin air appoint a decent manager. Given the experience during the transfer window - which do people think is the most likely - we get in a new manager quickly - or we remain largely rudderless for months virtually ensuring relegation ?

That could be a possibility not having a manager for a month or so, but Im sure our senior players, i.e Nelson would do a better job than kean in the interim until a new manager is appointed

[47er]

Is nobody else worried that the protest march will work - Kean will be sacked - and we will be left with Jensen while our owners frantically try yo get somebody in place.

I made the point before - they are rumoured to have tried to get Benitez and failed - so they are obviously looking - but have obviously been unable to get somebody they consider adequate.

Whether you like him or not - it is rumoured the players largely do like him (not saying the liking a manager is necessarily a good thing). Given the turmoil our club has been in - Kean has actually been one of the few constants for the players - imagine removing that constant and just having the turmoil. Think how the players will react to the vacuum left behind.

All I am saying is that the anti-Kean people should be careful what they wish for - by all means replace with a decent manager - but the lynch mob just seem to be concentrating on getting Kean sacked and for some reason thinking we will from thin air appoint a decent manager. Given the experience during the transfer window - which do people think is the most likely - we get in a new manager quickly - or we remain largely rudderless for months virtually ensuring relegation ?

"the anti-kean people"------you mean" the vast majority of Rovers supporters?"

[Mercer]

Or turn it round and say Vastly more experienced so should not be having such problems. Kean did turn round a 10 game winless streak with 4 games unbeaten and 2 wins to keep us up!

Its just ridiculous to sack a guy after 4 games of season, if you've given him the whole pre-season to build a squad in his mould. If results don't improve then fair enough, otherwise we will become the new Newcastle, sacking managers for fun!

Exactly, and did he deliver, no.

We were left chasing signings in the last few days of the window.

Man U. did their business very early in the window, got their new boys bedded-in.

Kean should have done this. And please don't say the owners were messing about with the budget. Kean should have been strong enough, forecful enough and persuasive enough to get the job done. If he couldn't, then he should have walked as a matter of principle. But, no, he failed on both counts and, IMO and in the opinion of many, he is just an unprincipled yes man who is a disgrace to our club.

Kean out.

[Mercer]

It absolutely staggers me that we have waverers arguing to give Kean more time when it's as clear as day that we are hurtling into the abyss.

Simple facts:

Last 18 PL games P18 W2 Points 13.

How much clearer can that be.

And for those nervous Noras wondering who will come to Ewood then if no one of 'repute' will, then simply put Nelsen and the wily Tony Parkes in charge. TP has forgotten more about football than Billy Bullsh1t ever knew and I feel certain that he would be up for it. Gossip that I've picked-up as to why he recently left his scouting role with Rovers is, frankly, startling and alarming, and tells you all you need to know about the state of our club due to Kean.