[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[T4E]

Mick McCarthy, Eck, Moyes and Jol have destroyed Kean tactically and the next four at Ewood are Wenger, Mancini, Redknapp and Villas-Boas.

Good grief, that is grim reading. It will be hard for any manager to get much out of that. Coupled with our away form, tha damage may already be done even at this early stage.

[DE.]

Good grief, that is grim reading. It will be hard for any manager to get much out of that. Coupled with our away form, tha damage may already be done even at this early stage.

That's my fear as well... we really, really needed more points from our first few matches.

[rebelmswar]

Good grief, that is grim reading. It will be hard for any manager to get much out of that. Coupled with our away form, tha damage may already be done even at this early stage.

It is sad isn't it?

It like having a brawl with Sooty, Sweep and George from Rainbow and getting your ass handed to you. As you pull yourself off the ground, you see Tyson and Hulk cracking their knuckles.

[chris]

Good grief, that is grim reading. It will be hard for any manager to get much out of that. Coupled with our away form, tha damage may already be done even at this early stage.

blimey, but we have a couple of winnable away games.

[Mercer]

Lowest price with the national bookies is now 1/2.

The noose is tightening.

[Kelbo]

Simple, give him 7 games, 5th of a season, in the bottom 3 then sack, if not keep. Look again after the next 5 games with the same theory. This gives time for the board to line up a replacement if we need to sack him.

So 7 games and the best he can hope for would be 3 points after 7 games, that could leave the club 9 points adrift of the 17th placed club!! Now that would take some pulling back for any manager, thats if they would agree to come with such a deficit.

Get rid now and we have a chance, he really cant organise the team and they are without both shape and direction!

[den]

I have been reading the many posts about Steve Kean and I must say that I am one of those who voted to give him more time. Now I am one of quite a few Rovers fans who also agree to give him more time (For a start all my family, people I sit with at the games think he should be given a bit more time). I would say most of these are the more older and conservative Rovers fans, 50+ year olds who have been going down Ewood since the 60's and who do not have access to this message board; the wise and intelligent people some would say but that is a matter of opinion. They have not been fed the jargon that some posters have put on here on what he has allegedly done or not, which agent is involved, who spoke to who, who did this and that. I am not interested on how he got the job, what has been said behind the scenes, if he is a drunk or not, etc.

These older fans Matty, will then no doubt remember the relegation season in 1966. The polio epidemic meant, that by the time we kicked off our season, we were already out of touch points wise, with the teams above us. Despite having a very good squad, the matter of being so far behind, so early on in the season took it's toll. Rovers never recovered from that deficit and the harder they tried, the worse things became. We eventually went down with a record low number of points [i think].

The biggest danger we face at the moment, is that we let that gap get too big. When people suggest we give Kean another few games, they need to remember how hard it becomes, so very quickly. The way results have gone so far, coupled with the difficulty of the games next up could mean we will be too far behind to recover, very soon.

[Fife Rover]

Well Fife, if the club do nothing, we are going down - and after 9 months I suggest that there is absolutely no evidence to say that we wont. In fact, the evidence says we will go down. The consequences of that are frightening.

Replacing a manger can take a while, or it can be done quickly. That's down to the owners getting their fingers out. I don't see that as a reason for keeping him on.

I always respect your posts Fife - might not agree with everything you say, but on this one, are you saying the best option is to keep Kean? Because from your recent posts, I thought you wanted rid.

No Den I am not saying keep Kean at all.....What I AM saying is all this was well enough known and obvious to everyone in the football world except the Babes in the Wood (sometimes known as the Venkys) long before the end of last season; so they have had much more than ample time to think it out and reach a decision to find a proper manager.

They didn't do it though, and instead got involved with the Kentaro lot and allowed them to lead them by the nose right up S***s Creek without a paddle. They got rid of the two very wise heads that kept Rovers on course through years of hardship in the footballing and monetary senses for several years and who had earned the club a very hard won and grudging admiration from virtually ALL the football world. (Now I wonder who put them up to that one?). They also went on to sack the only Manager that could realistically be expected to keep us playing in the mid-table region of the EPL, and in his place appointed a pefectly good coach who had no relevant management experience and obviously expected him to be able to motivate and manage a squad of mostly experienced PL players (fat chance???).

This new "manager" then proceeds to try and change the complete playing style that the squad had been well drilled in by the previous proper manager and of course he did what any ordinary football fan might well have predicted and fell flat on his face. Why?? Because it was obvious from day one of his appointment that he has not even got the MAKINGS of a real manager. He is cluless when it comes to tactics, motivation, ability to read a game and react correctly, or indeed any other managerial qualities. Why did the Babes keep him on as we tumbled down the league from our safe mid-table place we occupied when Sam Allardyce was so disgracefully booted out of the door? Could it have something to do with Mr Kean being so very compliant and rushing off to do whatever the Babes commanded at the clap of a hand, and no questions asked?

Anyway enough of that; we ALL know who is REALLY to blame so what is to be done? Obviously we need to get a GOOD EXPERIENCED MANAGER in ASAP. But my point is: Why have we not acted before the season started and preferably as soon as the last one ended? This would have given the new Manager a proper chance to find his feet and decide on his OWN choice of players. Then to get to know his squad in training and pre-season games, and finally to formulate his best teams for various matches and to work on his tactics so that the squad gets to know the new manager and to settle to his ways. It is simply crazy to leave the change of manager to this stage in a new season. But in our present situation (AGAIN) what choice do we have ? Kean has to go!!

[PLJPB]

Regarding the question of giving Kean more games.

My take on the march and email campaigns etc is that these tell Venkys in no uncertain terms that the supporters are not happy with Kean's performance.

I do not believe they will sack him because of the protest but it will put pressure on them to monitor his performance over the next few games and start to seriously look at alternative managers should results not improve quickly.

The problem with waiting another few games before protesting is that it delays the start of the process.

[den]

Right Fife, thanks.

We're 100% in agreement in that case.

[matty1875]

So 7 games and the best he can hope for would be 3 points after 7 games, that could leave the club 9 points adrift of the 17th placed club!! Now that would take some pulling back for any manager, thats if they would agree to come with such a deficit.

Get rid now and we have a chance, he really cant organise the team and they are without both shape and direction!

Okay so we have 3 points after 7 games that is what you reckon and I think is fair enough. However by your estimation 17th place would have 12 points after 7 games (We would be 9 points adrift). That over a season would equate to 64 points for 17th place over a 38 game season!! How many points to get in Europe, 95 maybe?? Talk about plucking random numbers to fit an arguement.

After 7 games the 17th place team will have 5 - 6 points maximum, maybe less, I am just going on past history of the premier league to assume these numbers. If that is the case Kean has to win two of his next 3, going to be hard for him but like I said that is what I think he should be given a 5th of the season. If we somehow manage to be outside the bottom 3, then stick but only for the next 5 games and then judge him again.

The Sack Kean posters have asked how long the "keep Kean fans" would give him, I have given you a logical answer which is not swayed by me liking Kean or what has gone on in the background. This season is the one he is judged on for me, if after 7 games he has not performed then out the door. We waited 17 games for Ince and that was 10 games too long and we still survived. No need to panic yet guys.

[philipl]

Yes but Matty, this is a case of having to be cruel to be kind.

Nobody is giving Kean an earthly chance except getting lucky luck (ie he isn't even smart enough to make his own luck) against Wenger, Mancini, Redknapp and Villas-Boas (and that is before you think about Walcott v Givet, City's midfield v Nzonzi effectively on his own, Bale v Salgado, or Goodwillie trying to bully Terry).

Against Kean it will be like running over a rabbit at 90mph in a SUV.

Raspberry jam for tea in the visitor's changing room afterwards?

[AllRoverAsia]

I don't see many posts saying that Kean must stay - it's either get rid now (I'm in that camp) or give him a few more games.

OK so far we have 1 point from 4 games - that form just about guarantees relegation.

For the sake of argument Kean gets another 4 PL games.

IMO based on Kean's team management performance to date I doubt that we can expect more than 2 points from the next 4 PL games and perhaps 0 points!

IMO then after 8 games we could be looking at having 3 points or even 1. We all know what happens next...relegation.

Why wait - Kean out now.

Whilst I am in the 'Kean Out' camp I would give him a final task - drive the bus that takes the Venky mob away from Ewood for good. That's just a wish - I have no easy answer to the damage that lot have caused us.

[TimmyJimmy]

Look all this Kean out stuff is flogging a dead horse. We know he's rubbish. There's no point in going on about his points total, his win percentage, this split of games against that split of games, how many more games.

We get it, he's rubbish.

But that's not the argument. Posters have been asking "who's the replacement" not saying "give him a chance'". Give me a list of names to choose from who are 1) of good pedigree and fit for our club 2) have a recent track record in the EPL and understand what's required 3) who could work with Venkys interference 4) who's not called Grant or Gros 4) who will handle being told there's no money for players - and I'll stick a pin in that list and he's the replacement for Kean - any name will do, let's get rid.

Trouble is there's no one saying who's on that list just "it'll be all right on the night, trust us". O'Neill without money? Yeah that's likely to work. Curbishley? Give me a break. He was good at Charlton simply because he demanded and got full control of everything at the club. There's zero chance of that with the Venkys. Wannabes from the Championship? Jewel, Holloway? All failed once so this time will be different? Grayson - unproven but if you fancy a Hail Mary. Grant, Gros? Peearrlleeese.

Maybe I lack imagination but I'd appreciate a few sensible names. Hughes? Did I hear someone say Hughes? Not a snowballs chance in Hell he'd come. Who else could come in and make a difference?

We are doomed under Kean. I said this before the beginning of the season and say so now. Yet if you play poker you will know how to make the best of a crap hand. Keeping him is the only chance even if it's like trying to fill a run from the middle. He/we may get lucky and it all falls into place. Highly unlikely but is it any worse odds than picking and paying for any of the above plus paying Kean's/Jensen's severance cash out of an already non existent transfer pot.

I really really really want Kean out and the same for Venkys but someone needs to convince me that we are turning to something better that can have an impact on our season. Names please on a list - this is not sarcy, I just cannot think of any and until I do I can't sign up for Kean Out.

PS I've just thought of one - Allardyce,but hey ho.

Venkys Out!

[den]

with that viewpoint TJ, we will have Kean in charge until one of the members of this site comes up with a name.

It's impossible and futile to ask people on here who we could get, because we don't know who would apply if it were advertised.

[92er]

They will be looking to 'pull-in' favours, so expect the likes of Kevin Gallacher, Nicko (see his Twitter) etc to be proactive.

Kevin Gallacher was certainly against it in today's LT.

[TimmyJimmy]

with that viewpoint TJ, we will have Kean in charge until one of the members of this site comes up with a name.

It's impossible and futile to ask people on here who we could get, because we don't know who would apply if it were advertised.

Den, with the greatest of respect mate that's just ducking a very necessary question.

The "Post Kean - Next Manager" thread has appeared since I started typing that first post so that seems like the place to take the discussion further. That said, Fife I think has put it best in that all this should have been thought about and sorted pre season, no question.

Venkys Out!

[dopper69]

I'm probably in the minority on here but I have no qualms in saying that I was looking forward to the start of this season as in my opinion the players that Kean has brought in seem like a decent bunch (even the yak!). I was willing to wipe last years slate clean and give the manager a chance to show us how he sets about utilising the players that he actually wants in the team.

Aston Villa aside, my personal opinion is that the performances on the whole have been quite adequate. We just seem to be lacking the tactical nous of turning these performances into results - which is usually the sign of a good manager.

This for me is where i'm caught in two minds. On the one hand, the excitement that I had leading into the season leads me into wanting to give Kean a decent amount of games - to see if he can use the exciting youngsters that we have at our disposal. On the other hand, if this record of his continues by the time he has had a decent amount of games we will be adrift and heading for the fizzy pop league.

One thing for sure is that there is going to be a difficult decision to be made shortly, one which could well be the making or breaking of this fine club.

[den]

Den, with the greatest of respect mate that's just ducking a very necessary question.

It isn't TJ.

It's got nothing to do with us fans, we wont be consulted, so what's the point even asking us? If Venky's sack him, they will find another manager, that's a fact. So we worry who that will be, because we can't think of anyone ourselves? That's silly simply because we don't know who would firstly apply, and secondly, we don't know who would be interested if approached. So we duck out of doing something that we know is necessary? [according to polls, somewhere between 80 and 90% of the fans think it's the right thing].

Sometimes we can talk ourselves out of doing the right thing.

[John]

TJ has a point, I was of the view a couple of weeks back that it may be best just to stick with Kean in the desperate hope that he comes good.

Unless Venkys have properly changed their ways, no way any decent anager will want near the place.

We still need a good manager to take place, our squad is not that good and Venkys are unlikely ever to spend big in the transfer market.

[Mercer]

Kevin Gallacher was certainly against it in today's LT.

I think Gallacher is trying to break into football as a coach and I believe is very much pro Kean in order to try and get that opportunity with Rovers. Gallacher was never a favourite player of mine - Roberts very much reminds me of Gallacher attitude wise - IMO, real sulkers when not playing.

[booth]

So you think every decent manager out there can afford to turn down a huge pay packet whether they win or lose, stay in the job or get fired?

A managers contract these days is the equivalent of a lottery win, and there are still people who think we can't get a decent manager in? Sure the likes of Hughes and Mourinho will be able to be picky but I'm sure there are other decent managers out there who couldn't afford to turn down a contract at Ewood.

[Kendalrover]

The propsed march seeems to be on Venkys radar

http://www.rovers.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10303~2451255,00.html

[Mattyblue]

So, he was at QPR/Newcastle Monday, Dortmund/Arsenal last night. Does he spend ANY time at Brockhall?

[SharrockDownSouth]

The propsed march seeems to be on Venkys radar

http://www.rovers.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10303~2451255,00.html

Not a bad piece, and not a single mention of Steve Kean never mind full backing... Think that Glen's plan is a good one, protest outside the ground, full backing of the team inside the ground!