[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[LDRover]

Strange isn't it? And all after a win against possibly the worst team I've ever seen pitch up in the Premier League's history.

Things look an awful lot better today I grant you but there's a long way to go yet before anyone can crow about being 'out of the woods'.

Blimey, we looked down and out with 5 minutes to go against Villa, it's turned in our favour since, got to be aware that it can so easily go the other way.

[Andy]

Bloody hell - one win and the wind-up merchant with the Venky's avatar appears from under her rock.

So Kean did a 'great' job to keep us up last year, eh?

What about the fact that we were on course for another top-10 finish under Allardyce and absolutely no danger of dropping into the relegation fight before the useless turd Kean popped up in the manager's dugout?

We stayed up as a result of the points collected under Sam and the collective efforts of the players (eg Samba's HT teamtalk at home to Blackpool).

Anyone with a bit of self worth or dignity wants nothing to do with Kean and the majority of these have since left.

She also keeps bringing Big Sam up, which shows the great job he did at Rovers, considering even his critics won't shut up about him 1/2 years since he left.

Sam did and does big himself up, but heres the kicker for his haters - he backs it up with results.

How often can Kean say that?

And I couldn't help but laugh at the comparison of having a Venky as your avatar vs having Ciccio Grabbi.

At least Grabbi tried and did his best for the club, however crap he was.

Can you say the same for any of the Venky's?

I know I shouldn't bite, but it's been a long day and I need some amusement

[DE.]

garth crook team of the week comment on bbc

MIDFIELDER - JUNIOR HOILETT

Junior Hoilett

I've been saying all season that these players are a credit to Steve Kean. They have performed heroics at times in a climate of hostility, much of that sadly, from their own fans. Against Wolves they seem to be getting the support their efforts deserve, Junior Hoilett in particular. The winger produced a sparkling performance and two superbly-taken goals which takes Blackburn out of the bottom three and puts QPR under immense pressure when you consider their run-in. Perhaps the Rovers fans should stop their protests and give their team and their manager their full backing. That way they might stay up.

words fail me

There are a lot of pundits you could say are stealing a wage - Lawrenson, Hansen, Collymore, Nicholas, Redknapp ... but Garth Crooks must somehow be close to if not on the top of that list. An absolute know-nothing loser who makes Alan Shearer look like a genius in comparison.

Oh aye, Kean's an absolute hero now. Forgetting the fact we've got a points total that in most seasons would have us in deep, deep trouble, of course. Kean's suddenly a fantastic manager because little old Blackburn - who don't deserve to be in the league, anyway - are surviving by being 3 points above the relegation zone, which is inhabited by 3 of the most inept teams you will ever see in the top division of any sport.

do me a favour.

[patrickvalery]

garth crook team of the week comment on bbc

MIDFIELDER - JUNIOR HOILETT

Junior Hoilett

I've been saying all season that these players are a credit to Steve Kean. They have performed heroics at times in a climate of hostility, much of that sadly, from their own fans. Against Wolves they seem to be getting the support their efforts deserve, Junior Hoilett in particular. The winger produced a sparkling performance and two superbly-taken goals which takes Blackburn out of the bottom three and puts QPR under immense pressure when you consider their run-in. Perhaps the Rovers fans should stop their protests and give their team and their manager their full backing. That way they might stay up.

words fail me

While i completely agree that Rovers fans have been shat upon from a great height, Venky's are the archetypal rotten owners and Steve Kean's rise to fame has a fishier whiff than a John West Tuna factory, the basics of Garth 'the wordsmith' Crook's comments are correct. This is the worst thing about the whole situation for me. In order for fans to rightly voice their unhappiness, the playing staff inevitably suffer. I am right behind those protesting, but during the 90 minutes it has to be minimal. Even if that means Kean spouting his nonsense about voacl fan support and the image it portrays to the wider press audience.

[braddock]

i think he is owdman who comments on the LET rovers stories

Nope. I don't go on that site. My parents get the paper so there's no need.

[braddock]

Bloody hell - one win and the wind-up merchant with the Venky's avatar appears from under her rock.

So Kean did a 'great' job to keep us up last year, eh?

What about the fact that we were on course for another top-10 finish under Allardyce and absolutely no danger of dropping into the relegation fight before the useless turd Kean popped up in the manager's dugout?

We stayed up as a result of the points collected under Sam and the collective efforts of the players (eg Samba's HT teamtalk at home to Blackpool).

Anyone with a bit of self worth or dignity wants nothing to do with Kean and the majority of these have since left.

She also keeps bringing Big Sam up, which shows the great job he did at Rovers, considering even his critics won't shut up about him 1/2 years since he left.

Sam did and does big himself up, but heres the kicker for his haters - he backs it up with results.

How often can Kean say that?

And I couldn't help but laugh at the comparison of having a Venky as your avatar vs having Ciccio Grabbi.

At least Grabbi tried and did his best for the club, however crap he was.

Can you say the same for any of the Venky's?

I know I shouldn't bite, but it's been a long day and I need some amusement

1. I'm male.

2. I said it was a great job IF he is as bad as people say. You've got to take things in the proper contexts, which requires you to read exactly what is being posted. It's hard but give it a try.

3. Ah, Samba's half time team talk which there is no evidence of apart from a few conspiracy theorists scrambling for an excuse of a Kean win. I don't mind it when they point at the statistics as they are poor indeed, but this is without foundation. The super man Samba who has walked out yet it has had no bearing on performance. These players have must have short memories or perhaps they are playing under somebody else. But no, you are right, in fact I've heard he came back from Russia to hold a seminar before the Wolves game.

4. I'm male (again).

5. I bring up Allardyce when people bring up something that applies to Allardyce. Like when they accuse Kean of lying in interviews and coming out with rubbish. I think that's fair enough, given most of the people coming out with it have now become ardent Fatty fans.

6. Yes, he's really got the results to manage Real Madrid, hasn't he? What an odd statement.

7. Even though we are a club in debt they have put up around double Grabbi's transfer fee and sanctioned payment for the likes of Yak, so whilst they are destructive in many ways, they at least offer more than Grabbi did on a purely benefits front. Negatives is another matter, which I do not deny.

[Pedro]

Bloody hell - one win and the wind-up merchant with the Venky's avatar appears from under her rock.

So Kean did a 'great' job to keep us up last year, eh?

What about the fact that we were on course for another top-10 finish under Allardyce and absolutely no danger of dropping into the relegation fight before the useless turd Kean popped up in the manager's dugout?

We stayed up as a result of the points collected under Sam and the collective efforts of the players (eg Samba's HT teamtalk at home to Blackpool).

Anyone with a bit of self worth or dignity wants nothing to do with Kean and the majority of these have since left.

She also keeps bringing Big Sam up, which shows the great job he did at Rovers, considering even his critics won't shut up about him 1/2 years since he left.

Sam did and does big himself up, but heres the kicker for his haters - he backs it up with results.How often can Kean say that?

And I couldn't help but laugh at the comparison of having a Venky as your avatar vs having Ciccio Grabbi.

At least Grabbi tried and did his best for the club, however crap he was.

Can you say the same for any of the Venky's?

I know I shouldn't bite, but it's been a long day and I need some amusement

I'm pretty sure Sam masterminded us to 6 wins the season he was sacked and Kean was in charge for 5 wins. I think Kean was in charge for 3 more games than Sam but both were in charge for 8 defeats each - so their records weren't massively different that season and neither was anywhere near the calibre of Hughes. With that in mind, I think it is wrong to say that we only stayed up because of Big Sam's points, especially when we ended up 4 points clear of the drop and could have effectively done without the extra win he had.

[Rovermatt]

garth crook team of the week comment on bbc

MIDFIELDER - JUNIOR HOILETT

Junior Hoilett

I've been saying all season that these players are a credit to Steve Kean. They have performed heroics at times in a climate of hostility, much of that sadly, from their own fans. Against Wolves they seem to be getting the support their efforts deserve, Junior Hoilett in particular. The winger produced a sparkling performance and two superbly-taken goals which takes Blackburn out of the bottom three and puts QPR under immense pressure when you consider their run-in. Perhaps the Rovers fans should stop their protests and give their team and their manager their full backing. That way they might stay up.

words fail me

Garth Crooks knows less about football than Garth Brooks.

[jim mk2]

1. I'm male.

4. I'm male (again).

Someone doth protest too often methinks.

Male or female, it's a very odd person who has that avatar. Why would anyone glorify a woman who has destroyed the fabric of our club ?

[braddock]

Someone doth protest too often methinks.

Male or female, it's a very odd person who has that avatar. Why would anyone glorify a woman who has destroyed the fabric of our club ?

I fail to see your point, or did you just want to say that? Are you saying I'm male, female or have gender confusion? Unusual thing to draw on.

There were Allardyce av's when we became Allardyce FC. It's the same thing.

[47er]

I'm pretty sure Sam masterminded us to 6 wins the season he was sacked and Kean was in charge for 5 wins. I think Kean was in charge for 3 more games than Sam but both were in charge for 8 defeats each - so their records weren't massively different that season and neither was anywhere near the calibre of Hughes. With that in mind, I think it is wrong to say that we only stayed up because of Big Sam's points, especially when we ended up 4 points clear of the drop and could have effectively done without the extra win he had.

Sam managed us to 21 points from 17 games------average of 1.2 points per game

Coco got us to 22 points from 21 games-----average of 1.04 per game.

Extrapolated over a season Sam's total gives us--------45.6 points and certain safety

Coco's gives us 39.52 and safety in most seasons including the last one.

However, we'd had many of the hardest fixtures in Sam's period and were looking to climb the table.

Further Coco's record this season is significantly worse. Strange because he told us to judge the team from the start of a new season and confidently predicted a top ten finish.

[super_arran]

Shearer as well in his column praising Kean and digging at the fans again. We really do have some enemies in the gutter press, its bizzare.

Or they could be speaking a bit of sense and we've still got our heads up our bums?

Also, does anyone else on here find it a bit cringe worthy when seemingly grown men use childish names to describe other things/people? Ie. "Coco" "Manure" "notlob"

Or am I in the minority (again)?

Grown men protesting with chicken hats on their heads; that is also embarrassing.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Or they could be speaking a bit of sense and we've still got our heads up our bums?

Easy for them to look at it from the outside, they don't have to put up with his retarded comments on a weekly basis. Also a lot of these pundits most certainly don't even know how bad his record really is, if they did they wouldn't be coming out with so much praise.

Or am I in the minority (again)?

As always.

[Brownie]

Somebody agrees with me !!! My personal favourite 'cringe' is Chelski, so unfunny and dated yet many still get an inner glow from this witty example of word play.

Citeh is also quite hilarious

[Pedro]

Sam managed us to 21 points from 17 games------average of 1.2 points per game

Coco got us to 22 points from 21 games-----average of 1.04 per game.

Extrapolated over a season Sam's total gives us--------45.6 points and certain safety

Coco's gives us 39.52 and safety in most seasons including the last one.

However, we'd had many of the hardest fixtures in Sam's period and were looking to climb the table.

Further Coco's record this season is significantly worse. Strange because he told us to judge the team from the start of a new season and confidently predicted a top ten finish.

So....you are basically supporting what I say is correct then? It's good that you've gone to that effort and sort of pointed out that we may well have been safe with Kean in charge from the off (in a points per game sense). I obviously have issue with the "played the hardest fixtures and looking to climb" quote because it is all ifs, buts and maybes and 3 points against Liverpool is only worth the same as 3 points against Villa - but I understand your point.

I just want to point out again that I'm not Kean's biggest fan BUT I often find myself defending him due to the people creating extremely flawed arguements such as "it was only because of the points that Sam amassed that we stayed up" - which you have kindly shown to be utter ######

[super_arran]

Easy for them to look at it from the outside, they don't have to put up with his retarded comments on a weekly basis. Also a lot of these pundits most certainly don't even know how bad his record really is, if they did they wouldn't be coming out with so much praise.

But that's the thing; they might actually know his record.

The difference between their judgement and most on here is that they don't see him as the anti Christ and are currently judging him on the job he's doing at the moment and not holding past failings against him?

[RibbleValleyRover]

But that's the thing; they might actually know his record.

No way of knowing for sure, but I suspect that most in the media with no ties to the club don't know how poor his record has been during his tenure. If they did know and still praised the job Kean is doing then you have to seriously question their footballing acumen.

The difference between their judgement and most on here is that they don't see him as the anti Christ and are currently judging him on the job he's doing at the moment and not holding past failings against him?

The judgement is that he has had two consecutive seasons of battling relegation, any idea that he is doing a good job is fantasy especially when you consider where the club was when he took over. Kean isn't the Anti-Christ, he's just a shockingly bad manager that is completely out of his depth and likes to cause splits in the fan base on a consistent basis.

[Amo]

But that's the thing; they might actually know his record.

That would be the same Alan Shearer who said re: Kean "You don't become a bad manager overnight," and professed to the world that no one knew who Ben Arfa was before he came to Newcastle?

[super_arran]

The judgement is that he has had two consecutive seasons of battling relegation, any idea that he is doing a good job is fantasy especially when you consider where the club was when he took over. Kean isn't the Anti-Christ, he's just a shockingly bad manager that is completely out of his depth and likes to cause splits in the fan base on a consistent basis.

Like I said though, they're judging him on current results and aren't holding past failings against him.

[Amo]

Kean has been made a martyr by the protests. It's easier to sympathize with one man than a thousand faceless supporters. He also garners support from the ex-managers club, and the rest of the armchair pundits. IT takes someone like Robbie Savage, who intimately knows what a well-established club we were to provide a voice of reason. There's simply a lack of Rovers influence in the media, in contrast to the top clubs who are quick to wheel out ex-pros decrying the likes of Wenger & Villas Boas for their failure.

I can see why people are suckered by Kean at times. If you watch the man's interviews at face value, he often comes across as a very innocent, butter-wouldn't-melt chap who's just living the dream. Not the lying, cheating convict that has darkened our door. They don't consider that his ties to SEM are the ONLY reason he got this job, they don't include his drink-driving charge and pathetic defence (which incriminated his own fans) into their character assessment, nor do they keep up with the double-speak that has plagued his time as manager. That's without taking into account his base failure as a football manager, unable to record back-to-back wins OR keep a clean sheet (oh wait just a minute!)

[RibbleValleyRover]

Like I said though, they're judging him on current results and aren't holding past failings against him.

How current? One game? The previous two or three?

If by current you mean ignoring last season and just including this season:

P-28

W-6

D-7

L-15

I can form a judgement purely on the stats, it's bloody awful.

[waynerovers]

You could argue though that coming in as a rookie manager with no experience that he's learned on the job and that maybe he might just now be starting to come good.

Since the Bolton game when we looked to be dead and buried

Won 4

Drawn 3

lost 4

15 points from a possible 29

Scoring goals and finally that first elusive clean sheet, 3 points clear from relegation, if we continue with this form we'll stay up comfortably. I still think he's a ###### but the only thing that matters in the end is results and if he gets those then I won't have many complaints.

[ABBEY]

So it's really w 4 not won 7

[Mattyblue]

Unfortunately this message board will continue in this vein till the day he finally departs.

Even if he did march us back into the mid table life we had before he will still be unpopular, can you EVER imagine his name sang at Ewood without 'OUT' following it?

I wouldn't say he was a divisive figure, because apart from the 3% on here I can't remember the last Blue I spoke to that is behind him. The vitirol has died down, folk are just resigned to his omnipetent rule.

Indeed, if your regular fan had a read of this thread, they'd probably be just bemused, 'what you getting wound up about on a website for? he ain't going anywhere while venky's are here'

The fans have got behind the side post Bolton and I have no doubt it will continue, so Garth 'the Poet Lauerate of Football' Crooks should change the record and maybe focus on Wolves.

[Stuart]

This whole pundicks v fans spat over Kean is borne out of jealousy and a desire to see the back of jumped-up Blackburn.

Would Shearer want Kean as Newcastle manager, Collymore (Villa), Lawro (Liverpool), Redknapp (Spurs)?

No, course not, but he's good enough for Rovers and we should just 'support him' and 'get behind the team',

Well, guess what, I am fully behind the team but I will never support him. I don't care what Crooks or that young lass Braddock say. At least Braddock is in good company though, she thinks exactly like non-Rovers supporting press folk who will blame the fans if/when we are relegated.

Where will you be when Venkean are gone, Braddock, and all you have left are those fellow fans you are embarrassed of? They will be here long after Venkys, I expect you'll just create a new username and avatar and change sides...

One win against an awful Wolves team, and the premature crowing begins? Let's see how we get on against Subderland, eh?