[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[RovertheHill]

Times like these show which posters have a grasp on reality, and which posters should generally be put in the "not the brightest" category.

Spot on. And the reality is this - once you sack Kean you need a successor. Quickly. Saying it doesn't matter, or that anything and anyone would be better is NOT having a grasp on reality. I can imagine what most on here would say if Kean got potted on Saturday afternoon and in 2 weeks time we had no manager and Jensen is running the show - it would be words like clueless, naive etc etc and everyone would conveniently forget what they said...

BTW, check out the Next Manager thread if you want to really see people with NO grasp of reality. Some of the names on there are unbelievable

[Athlete]

this isnt about Kean as a person , what mistakes hes made in life ( drink driving ) , how the guy comes across its about his record as a manager and the facts are clear as daylight 2 wins in 19 that should only mean one thing the chop for him and Jensen..no other outcome or discussion..plain and simple those 2 are not up to the job so c'mon Venkys get the fans on side and get shut of them 2 and replace them with people who are capable of doing the job !

[BangkokRover]

TalkSport Just spoke about Kean and the journo said that Kean will be gone if Rovers don't get something from the Arsenal game. The pressure is on and will only increase with ever week that passes with out a win. He also said that as this is the early game the world will be watching and the game would not get lost with the other 3pm kick offs.

[Andy]

We can only hope BKR.

[John]

Even Alan Nixon is saying he needs results and fast.

[Andy]

That is what it comes down to - results.

Get them and stay in a job, don't get them and be under pressure/get sacked.

Odd that some people are trying to make it out to be some kind of witch hunt.

Kean's results have been depressingly bad and this is why he is both under immense pressure and needs to go.

[Gav]

This just gets worse. After all the things that have been said, I'm truly beginning to wonder about the motives of some. It seems to be going way beyond wanting a change of Manager. It's nasty, really nasty and not necessary.

I couldn’t agree more mum.

I want Kean removed simply because he’s not a very good manager, this has been proven time and time again. I couldn’t care less if he got caught drink driving, I couldn’t care less if he stabbed Allardyce in the back and I couldn’t care less if he does his weekly shop in burnley, the bottom line is he’s a bad manager and out of his depth.

But the sort of stuff that’s been posted on here since his appointment has been nothing short of disgraceful. The amount of half-truths, lies and general nonsense posted by the faceless few has made coming to the site a chore. Time and time again we read innuendo and bullsh1t by people who have little or no credibility on the site, nobody really knows who these people are, nobody has ever met them, yet day after day they continue with the tirade of cr@p that ultimately is proven to be rubbish but repeated timeand time again on here until its fact.

Some of the more reasonable posters, that have been around for a while, have either turned into everything that’s wrong this site currently, or left the site altogether. Reasonable debate has given way to pack mentality and that’s ruining the site, I don’t blame the mods, they do a tremendous job, but sadly for me the site is going only one way, but time will tell.

[Fitz808]

hello chaps, not posted up until now, but given the nature of the moment we're in, i thought it might be a decent time to add my 10p to the debate.

to avoid any doubt, i'll lay my cards on the table. i'm one for keeping kean in and i don't consider the protest to be a good move at this point. i can completely see why people are protesting, but i just don't agree with it. my reasons are on shakey ground, but i would see it that:

1) he appears to have the support of the owners and players, even through these tough times

2) outside just simply the match days, he appears to have a plan for the club/team which i find at least interesting

3) his transfer policy is similarly interesting and we now have our best crop of young players for quite a while

4) he has just spent our summer budget on players he wanted, which may well not have been ones other managers would have taken a punt on

5) so following on from this, i worry about the morale of these new players, should a new maneger be brought in who favours experience over youth

6) i just have a gut feeling that he may actually end up being a decent manager. this, of course, is purely subjective opinion.

none of these get round that fact that positivity requires backing up with wins and solidity, but i guess i just don't see it as an absolute that kean cannot take us anywhere good. of course he is flawed, his record is all the evidence we need of that, but i think he can turn it around in quick enough order to see us finish comfortably this season and then push on from there. i'm sure all of this has been debated long and hard on this and many other sites.

to the question in the thread; i think it is flawed somewhat. firstly, this is a site where by default you will have much more partizan opinions than in the general public. if you're on here, you already have strong opinions about the club, and will clearly therefore have stronger opinions one way or the other. you're also more likely to post against the status quo, rather than for it.

to ask the question in its purest sense, then of course many would like to see steve kean gone. it's a trying time at the moment and nobody likes that feeling. however, when you then factor in the upheaval; the chance of getting someone in who will not work out for one reason or another and therefore leave us worse off; the potential money lost; the disruption amongst the playing staff; the fact that the window has just closed and this is now a group of players he thinks he can work with... all those things make it a very different question.

to use a rather lame blackjack metaphore - we're on 16. it's clearly not a good place to be and you feel like you should be twisting. but all things considered, it could well go catastropically wrong from here in just one step. stick or twist... it's stick for me, right now.

[Mattyblue]

I couldn’t agree more mum.

I want Kean removed simply because he’s not a very good manager, this has been proven time and time again. I couldn’t care less if he got caught drink driving, I couldn’t care less if he stabbed Allardyce in the back and I couldn’t care less if he does his weekly shop in burnley, the bottom line is he’s a bad manager and out of his depth.

But the sort of stuff that’s been posted on here since his appointment has been nothing short of disgraceful. The amount of half-truths, lies and general nonsense posted by the faceless few has made coming to the site a chore. Time and time again we read innuendo and bullsh1t by people who have little or no credibility on the site, nobody really knows who these people are, nobody has ever met them, yet day after day they continue with the tirade of cr@p that ultimately is proven to be rubbish but repeated timeand time again on here until its fact.

Some of the more reasonable posters, that have been around for a while, have either turned into everything that’s wrong this site currently, or left the site altogether. Reasonable debate has given way to pack mentality and that’s ruining the site, I don’t blame the mods, they do a tremendous job, but sadly for me the site is going only one way, but time will tell.

I think this site is in the best shape it's ever been in, alas it aint the little club we joined back in the day GAV, but that's the internet!

This site is no different than what goes on in pubs, at games, at work, case in point being most people I know that are going to march on Saturday have never even heard of brfcs.

But I do agree, the ITK crew really need to spill the beans or say nothing.

[jim mk2]

But the sort of stuff that's been posted on here since his appointment has been nothing short of disgraceful. The amount of half-truths, lies and general nonsense posted by the faceless few has made coming to the site a chore. .

Pots and kettles dear boy. Many of your scribblings about the former manager were wrong and disgraceful but it does not stop you continuing to deride him.

Some of the comments on Kean have been over the top, particularly the drink-drive issue, but the strong feelings expressed on this board reflect the general mood among Rovers fans on the terraces (I wish) and in reality are nothing compared to the hate and bile directed at old Jim Iley back in the 1970s. The people are making themselves heard on the internet and on the streets through protest - the question is, are the owners going to listen ?

[Kelbo]

And here's another footballing reason why you are right---his transfer dealings. From last season we have lost Jones, Jones,Emerton and Diouf------all players with great defensive skills, all players you need in a scrap.Who are their replacements?

Outside the back 4 we have nobody who tracks back, nobody who can put a foot in and break up play and no-one who can rattle a bone or two when it is needed.

The only exception would be Olsson up-front attacking, but still protecting Givet-----except he never plays there!!

Nobody protects a totally exposed Salgado who now looks a shadow of the player he was last season.

No-one in the middle protects the two central defenders and that's why we were on the backfoot all second half against Fulham.

Instead we have ligtweight players who could play attractive attacking football if only the other side would step back and let them. All assembled on the cheap, all untried at this level and,sadly, looking out of their depth.

To illustrate the depths to which we have sunk, we are now left hoping and praying that GRELLA of all people can somehow rise Lazurus-like to take his place in the team! That says it all------he was never very good to start with.

So there we are, no insults, no name-calling.

This is basic football common-sense but its beyond the manager who will continue to blame ill-luck into infinity.

That is exactly correct 47, I have said all along we dont defend throughout the team, of course the defence gets exposed, the type of football we are trying to play takes years to perfect and whilst going down that route, ball retention is not good as the quick passes break down and the opposition counter attack, then its easy for them as all our midfield players have an attack and passing mindset so we become exposed, without shape and liable to concede a goal with every opposition attack. I will mention this again, Man U the other night had Evra and Fabio at full back, both have pace but the cover they had from wide midfield players was excellent!!

[Gav]

Pots and kettles dear boy. Many of your scribblings about the former manager were wrong and disgraceful but it does not stop you continuing to deride him.

Some of the comments on Kean have been over the top, particularly the drink-drive issue, but the strong feelings expressed on this board reflect the general mood among Rovers fans on the terraces (I wish) and in reality are nothing compared to the hate and bile directed at old Jim Iley back in the 1970s. The people are making themselves heard on the internet and on the streets through protest - the question is, are the owners going to listen ?

I never said anything disgraceful about the west ham manager, you’re obviously getting me confused with someone else, but I'm glad you agree some of the Kean stuff is has been over the top.

[chris]

to use a rather lame blackjack metaphore - we're on 16. it's clearly not a good place to be and you feel like you should be twisting. but all things considered, it could well go catastropically wrong from here in just one step. stick or twist... it's stick for me, right now.

We are on 16 and the dealer has a face.

[AggyBlue]

hello chaps, not posted up until now

Good first post.

16 and I'd stick too just four games into the season.

[s_simpson_9]

Just for the record.

All the talk is Kean out and only talk of Hughes in. If Hughes doesnt want in then who in and when. Perhaps completely rudderless for a few months or two as decisions are made in Pune. and then no guarantee of anyone better . Oh I forgot. Maradonna. Demo before an important game is a bit like wearing your underpants outside your jeans. I am not happy with Kean but as the Espn blog said a few more games with his team is something that makes more sense to me. Unfortunately mob mentality has taken over and we have sacrificed the strategy for a tactic. Be careful what you wish for.

Anyone. If Hughes won't accept a short term contract get curbishly. Curbishly would have to accept.

I just read the other thread. There are some unrealistic names in it. Poyet - wouldn't come. Ranieri - nope. Schuster - may like a pop at the premier league. Souey - hmmmm.

There are some good names out there who would come.

[ABBEY]

Good first post.

16 and I'd stick too just four games into the season.

17 +dealer wins

Curbishly would have to accept....WHY WOULD HE??????

There are some good names out there who would come.....YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE???????????

[dubdubdub]

hello chaps, not posted up until now, but given the nature of the moment we're in, i thought it might be a decent time to add my 10p to the debate.

to avoid any doubt, i'll lay my cards on the table. i'm one for keeping kean in and i don't consider the protest to be a good move at this point. i can completely see why people are protesting, but i just don't agree with it. my reasons are on shakey ground, but i would see it that:

1) he appears to have the support of the owners and players, even through these tough times

2) outside just simply the match days, he appears to have a plan for the club/team which i find at least interesting

3) his transfer policy is similarly interesting and we now have our best crop of young players for quite a while

4) he has just spent our summer budget on players he wanted, which may well not have been ones other managers would have taken a punt on

5) so following on from this, i worry about the morale of these new players, should a new maneger be brought in who favours experience over youth

6) i just have a gut feeling that he may actually end up being a decent manager. this, of course, is purely subjective opinion.

none of these get round that fact that positivity requires backing up with wins and solidity, but i guess i just don't see it as an absolute that kean cannot take us anywhere good. of course he is flawed, his record is all the evidence we need of that, but i think he can turn it around in quick enough order to see us finish comfortably this season and then push on from there. i'm sure all of this has been debated long and hard on this and many other sites.

to the question in the thread; i think it is flawed somewhat. firstly, this is a site where by default you will have much more partizan opinions than in the general public. if you're on here, you already have strong opinions about the club, and will clearly therefore have stronger opinions one way or the other. you're also more likely to post against the status quo, rather than for it.

to ask the question in its purest sense, then of course many would like to see steve kean gone. it's a trying time at the moment and nobody likes that feeling. however, when you then factor in the upheaval; the chance of getting someone in who will not work out for one reason or another and therefore leave us worse off; the potential money lost; the disruption amongst the playing staff; the fact that the window has just closed and this is now a group of players he thinks he can work with... all those things make it a very different question.

to use a rather lame blackjack metaphore - we're on 16. it's clearly not a good place to be and you feel like you should be twisting. but all things considered, it could well go catastropically wrong from here in just one step. stick or twist... it's stick for me, right now.

Seen as you're inlikely to get many civilised responses from the 'Donut' (it's doughnut by the way) Kean Out lot, i'll reply.

Agree with a lot of your points and think he has the potential to be a good manager.

He inherited an Allardyce team and has changed the style of football and brought in new players so the next few games (Inlcuding the Fulham one) are his to prove his worth.

Whilst even seven or eight games is not enough to judge a season on I don't think Kean has that much time so I hope for his sake he pulls something out of the bag and fast.

A win against l'Arse when they aren't in the best of form (midweek draw aside) and this could give Kean and the team a foothold to push on from in terms of confidence.

I hope he gets a win because I like the players he's brought in. Still unsure as to whether he can be a decent manager but we shall see. I certainly don't want him gone at this point anyway.

[ABBEY]

Seen as you're inlikely to get many civilised responses from the 'Donut' (it's doughnut by the way) Kean Out lot, i'll reply.

POMPUS PILLOCK

[den]

He inherited an Allardyce team and has changed the style of football and brought in new players so the next few games (Inlcuding the Fulham one) are his to prove his worth.

You would think listening to this frequent viewpoint, that Kean has only had one transfer window to work with.

Anyone remember how many players came in during the January transfer window, loans and permanent?

Whatever that number was, it didn't improve our form one iota. Plus, in my opinion, the squad after this latest transfer window, is looking far weaker than it was last season. Hence the terrible start.

[Mattyblue]

Thing is dubdub, you are being 'fairer' to Steve Kean than you are to Blackburn Rovers.

'Let's give the guy a chance' approach only goes so far before it seriously becomes a risk got the club's wellbeing.

[Veevs]

Anyone. If Hughes won't accept a short term contract get curbishly. Curbishly would have to accept.

I just read the other thread. There are some unrealistic names in it. Poyet - wouldn't come. Ranieri - nope. Schuster - may like a pop at the premier league. Souey - hmmmm.

There are some good names out there who would come.

Not sure why Schuster is under your unrealistic names there.. he made his name turning smaller clubs, available and has advertised his aim to return to management, loves a challenge, would fit with the players we have and has strong ties with a certain Real player currently at Ewood.

[Plastic Head]

A win against l'Arse when they aren't in the best of form (midweek draw aside) and this could give Kean and the team a foothold to push on from in terms of confidence.

last 18 league games:

Rovers 13 points

Arsenal 22 points

Arsenal are not in the best of form agreed. What sort of form are we in??

You can't just keep saying "we might win", "a win would turn the corner", "a draw would be a good result". We need to start winning games regularly.

It won't happen. We will not win on Saturday.

I will say again, we will not win on Saturday.

We will not turn a corner. Kean will not suddenly become a good manager.

We will go down.

[John]

Whilst even seven or eight games is not enough to judge a season on I don't think Kean has that much time so I hope for his sake he pulls something out of the bag and fast.

A win against l'Arse when they aren't in the best of form (midweek draw aside) and this could give Kean and the team a foothold to push on from in terms of confidence.

I hope he gets a win because I like the players he's brought in. Still unsure as to whether he can be a decent manager but we shall see. I certainly don't want him gone at this point anyway.

Totally agree pal – our season starts again on Saturday dud a dub.

[yoda]

Thing is dubdub, you are being 'fairer' to Steve Kean than you are to Blackburn Rovers.

'Let's give the guy a chance' approach only goes so far before it seriously becomes a risk got the club's wellbeing.

Thats life these days, the victim comes second to the perpetrator

[Veevs]

Seen as you're inlikely to get many civilised responses from the 'Donut' (it's doughnut by the way) Kean Out lot, i'll reply.

Agree with a lot of your points and think he has the potential to be a good manager.

He inherited an Allardyce team and has changed the style of football and brought in new players so the next few games (Inlcuding the Fulham one) are his to prove his worth.

Whilst even seven or eight games is not enough to judge a season on I don't think Kean has that much time so I hope for his sake he pulls something out of the bag and fast.

A win against l'Arse when they aren't in the best of form (midweek draw aside) and this could give Kean and the team a foothold to push on from in terms of confidence.

I hope he gets a win because I like the players he's brought in. Still unsure as to whether he can be a decent manager but we shall see. I certainly don't want him gone at this point anyway.

Right.. so Sam didn't inherit and completely turn around a squad in a much shorter period? Kean has now had two transfer windows and while I like a couple of the players Kean has brought in, he as manager chose to buy players without top level experience who are young and as such will struggle to get up to the speed of the premier league within 6 months never mind straight away (as shown with Kalinic, Formica and Rochina), the infuriating thing about the summer for me is it must of been obvious to him given he coached Kalinic and had to wait nine months to field Formica and Rochina.

Kean also spent in the wrong areas.. sure Simon, Rochina, Petrovic, Goodwillie, Formica etc may turn out to be good players but he spent the money incorrectly in my humble opinion because he failed to address obvious frailties within our squad (we can only field so many attacking midfielders anyway).. and hell he knew about them otherwise he would not of come out in public stating we needed them.. instead he said we needed someone to replace JJ and we ended up with Petrovic, simon and co. For me we needed a central defender (which was acheived), a midfielder with authority, cover for rightback and a striker with a history.

Surely you can not deny that Formica and Rochina took so long to settle so the same would occur with Goodwillie, Petrovic, Simon and co?

If your going to bring through good young players you bring them into the side slowely but build the strong core of the team around survival first.

We really can not afford to be bottom of the league 4 months into the season kids simply are not going to be experienced enough to deal with that.