[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[BigAlan]

Seen as you're inlikely to get many civilised responses from the 'Donut' (it's doughnut by the way) Kean Out lot, i'll reply.

Agree with a lot of your points and think he has the potential to be a good manager.

He inherited an Allardyce team and has changed the style of football and brought in new players so the next few games (Inlcuding the Fulham one) are his to prove his worth.

Whilst even seven or eight games is not enough to judge a season on I don't think Kean has that much time so I hope for his sake he pulls something out of the bag and fast.

A win against l'Arse when they aren't in the best of form (midweek draw aside) and this could give Kean and the team a foothold to push on from in terms of confidence.

I hope he gets a win because I like the players he's brought in. Still unsure as to whether he can be a decent manager but we shall see. I certainly don't want him gone at this point anyway.

[yoda]

Anyone. If Hughes won't accept a short term contract get curbishly. Curbishly would have to accept.

I just read the other thread. There are some unrealistic names in it. Poyet - wouldn't come. Ranieri - nope. Schuster - may like a pop at the premier league. Souey - hmmmm.

There are some good names out there who would come.

Any manager worth his salt would be intrested in managing in the PL

[Veevs]

One thing that does scare me above all else at the moment is whoever comes into replace Kean (it will happen now sooner rather than later) will inherit a squad without experience, even Sam inherited a decent amount of experience.

For this I actually rate Ince more than Kean he at least did not run into the club and weild a sythe on the experienced core of the squad.

[Veevs]

Any manager worth his salt would be intrested in managing in the PL

Someone from here should email the agents of these managers on the fans list and see if they would be interested.

After the protest of course and then let Venkys (and the general media) know who else is available and interested with a links to the career history of these chaps.

[dubdubdub]

POMPOUS PILLOCK

Presume you're one of the DONUT lot seen as i've had to correct the spelling above.

Right.

I'm not being fair to Steve Kean. I'm being fair to the squad and Rovers in how I see the team going forward. At this point in time the team could move on if Kean got a few results. The fact that I want to give him a chance is because he now has established a squad and a way of playing and could start picking up points, for the benefit of Rovers. Further to this, I don't think we'd get Hughes and I don't fancy the other managers out there.

RE transfers. Kean brought in Santa Cruz and JJones over the winter window. One made an instant impact and the other on paper should have been an improvemnet on what we had. I was all for signing Cruz back up. Jones on the other hand was a corker. We knew the other two players were for this season. It was a decent winter window, certainly when you look at the potential in Rochina and Formica.

Regarding Allsy's way of football. The squad he inherited was still a decent squad (few injuries aside) but I believe that the style of football he played with us meant that the team could adapt quickly. It's not too difficult to know where to stand when a ball's being lumped. Not a criticism, he did turn us around.

[Veevs]

You would think listening to this frequent viewpoint, that Kean has only had one transfer window to work with.

Anyone remember how many players came in during the January transfer window, loans and permanent?

Whatever that number was, it didn't improve our form one iota. Plus, in my opinion, the squad after this latest transfer window, is looking far weaker than it was last season. Hence the terrible start.

I like to try and keep a balanced debate.. so I would not go as far as it didn't improve our squad one iota.. JJ took a while to bed in but when he did he was crucial to Rovers survival (christ from being top half to survival under Kean).

Right idea though that highlights Keans poor transfers in regards to timings.. of the players he purchased not one played any real part in the rest of the season and RSC was always a massive risk given his injury record at the time.

[Edit] please note JJ is more of an experienced head.. from a top league yet he still took weeks to bed in.. and don't go camparing any of these players to world class lads who can simply fit in instantly, these are out of our bracket financially.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

One thing that does scare me above all else at the moment is whoever comes into replace Kean (it will happen now sooner rather than later) will inherit a squad without experience, even Sam inherited a decent amount of experience.

For this I actually rate Ince more than Kean he at least did not run into the club and weild a sythe on the experienced core of the squad.

I think we do have a fair amount of experience across the team - players like Nzonzi actually have a fair few games under their belts now. Was it Alan Hansen who said - you don't win anything with kids ?

[FourLaneBlue]

I never said anything disgraceful about the west ham manager, you’re obviously getting me confused with someone else, but I'm glad you agree some of the Kean stuff is has been over the top.

I couldn't care less what Kean is like as a person. If he had a talent for winning football matches, I would be over the moon that we had him.

However, he is so bad that he is taking us down. Supporting Kean means doing so to the detriment of Blackburn Rovers.

Fans should focus on the football reasons.

[dubdubdub]

last 18 league games:

Rovers 13 points

Arsenal 22 points

Arsenal are not in the best of form agreed. What sort of form are we in??

You can't just keep saying "we might win", "a win would turn the corner", "a draw would be a good result". We need to start winning games regularly.

It won't happen. We will not win on Saturday.

I will say again, we will not win on Saturday.

We will not turn a corner. Kean will not suddenly become a good manager.

We will go down.

Yeah I said we might win...maybe this could be the start of winning games regularly. We do need to start winning games. Don't quite see your point.

And how do you know we ain't going to win? We drew away with them last season.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I like to try and keep a balanced debate.. so I would not go as far as it didn't improve our squad one iota.. JJ took a while to bed in but when he did he was crucial to Rovers survival (christ from being top half to survival under Kean).

Right idea though that highlights Keans poor transfers in regards to timings.. of the players he purchased not one played any real part in the rest of the season and RSC was always a massive risk given his injury record at the time.

[Edit] please note JJ is more of an experienced head.. from a top league yet he still took weeks to bed in.. and don't go camparing any of these players to world class lads who can simply fit in instantly, these are out of our bracket financially.

I think you have to view the signings in the context of when they were bought. Buying a couple for the future (Formica and Rochina) seemed a good idea at the time - as we didn't look likely to go on the terrible run that almost led to relelgation. Jones and RSC were bought for immediate impact - though Jones took a while, I still think he contributed in his early matches - RSC - least said the better, but at the time I did think he was a reasonable player to bring in on loan

[Veevs]

Presume you're one of the DONUT lot seen as i've had to correct the spelling above.

Right.

I'm not being fair to Steve Kean. I'm being fair to the squad and Rovers in how I see the team going forward. At this point in time the team could move on if Kean got a few results. The fact that I want to give him a chance is because he now has established a squad and a way of playing and could start picking up points, for the benefit of Rovers. Further to this, I don't think we'd get Hughes and I don't fancy the other managers out there.

RE transfers. Kean brought in Santa Cruz and JJones over the winter window. One made an instant impact and the other on paper should have been an improvemnet on what we had. I was all for signing Cruz back up. Jones on the other hand was a corker. We knew the other two players were for this season. It was a decent winter window, certainly when you look at the potential in Rochina and Formica.

Regarding Allsy's way of football. The squad he inherited was still a decent squad (few injuries aside) but I believe that the style of football he played with us meant that the team could adapt quickly. It's not too difficult to know where to stand when a ball's being lumped. Not a criticism, he did turn us around.

Willing to take a bet on him turning it around mate? We have no authority in midfield and an absolutly no cover for the fullbacks (who will be critised for their performances all season long despite it not being their faults).

If you want to play like Barca then you have to have the funds to do it (splashed on a shiny defensive midfielder and midfielders who can still cover the back).. we don't and no team that has tried has succeeded.

[beatrix]

Steve Kean has to go, he is an inexperienced manager his record since his appointment has ultimate relegation written all over it.

Much credit goes to Glen for actually doing something as well as posting, well done Glen.

Hope the march goes well and as many people as possible turn up. Nothing personal re Kean we need an experienced PL manager to steady

the ship.

The wellbeing of the ROVERS comes before anything else, the venkys may soon be gone for all we know.

[dubdubdub]

Willing to take a bet on him turning it around mate? We have no authority in midfield and an absolutly no cover for the fullbacks (who will be critised for their performances all season long despite it not being their faults).

If you want to play like Barca then you have to have the funds to do it (splashed on a shiny defensive midfielder and midfielders who can still cover the back).. we don't and no team that has tried has succeeded.

Not sure whether he'll be given the chance to turn it around. Whilst I would give him a few more games to prove his worth I think it ain't going to take long to get rid if we lose on Saturday.

And if we had cover for the full backs then that'd mean playing Peds and not Hoilett which everyone would moan about.

[den]

I like to try and keep a balanced debate.. so I would not go as far as it didn't improve our squad one iota.. JJ took a while to bed in but when he did he was crucial to Rovers survival (christ from being top half to survival under Kean).

I didn't say JJ wasn't a good signing Veevs, I said for all his January transfer incomings, results were still awful/terrible - whichever you want.

This bit is being ignored by those wanting to give Kean more time. We only hear from them about the last transfer window - and I maintain, that this years squad is currently looking far weaker than the squad he had at his disposal at the end of last season. Since then we have lost Phil Jones, Jermaine Jones, Emerton, EH Diouf, MB Diouf, RSC, Benjani and Kalinic.

If I was the manager, I would much prefer to have last seasons squad to work with, than this seasons squad, from what I've seen so far. Yes, we have Vukcenic and Yakubu to come yet, so it's maybe still a little too early to come to a final conclusion - that's why I say "from what I've seen so far".

I think that's a balanced viewpoint.

[47er]

Not sure whether he'll be given the chance to turn it around. Whilst I would give him a few more games to prove his worth I think it ain't going to take long to get rid if we lose on Saturday.

And if we had cover for the full backs then that'd mean playing Peds and not Hoilett which everyone would moan about.

Eh? I thought this was now Kean's team? And we should judge him after the window? Hasn't done very well has he if we have to drop Hoilett to provide cover for the full-backs?

If we are so desperate for cover for the full-backs and that means playing Pedersen and leaving out Hoilett, why did we let Diouf and Emerton go?

If you believe it was right to let those 2 go, why were they not replaced in the transfer window given the shortage you've identified?

Yet you still want him to be "given the chance to turn it around"! Why?

[Veevs]

I think we do have a fair amount of experience across the team - players like Nzonzi actually have a fair few games under their belts now. Was it Alan Hansen who said - you don't win anything with kids ?

The Alan Hansen quote is correct.. our average age in the last game was?

From last season we have lost nearly 900 games worth of experience from the squad.. thats nearly 900 epl games and exchanged it for what 300 of which nearly all of them are Yakuba who has not really played in the last three seasons after an injury that is scientifically proven to effect performance.

Look at our last game mate.. when Dunn went off we had jnr and Nzonzi as our only experienced players beyond defence and not one single player with those extra skills of organisation/authority/communication.

Lets look at the attack last game mate... in total we played Dunn (138 EPL Starts, age 31), Lowe (0 EPL starts, age 20), Nzonzi (50 EPL starts, age 22), Hoilett (29 EPL starts, age 21), Goodwillie (2epl starts, age 22), Petrovic (0 EPL Starts, age 22), Formica (2 EPL starts, age 23), Rochina (2 epl starts, age 20).. compared to the experience of say Emerton (199 EPL starts, age 32) or EHD (199 EPL Starts, Age 30)

Basically in the second half of that match we had an average age under 23 and less than a single players worth of experience never mind not one of them has authority etc..

[Amo]

This bit is being ignored by those wanting to give Kean more time. We only hear from them about the last transfer window - and I maintain, that this years squad is currently looking far weaker than the squad he had at his disposal at the end of last season. Since then we have lost Phil Jones, Jermaine Jones, Emerton, EH Diouf, MB Diouf, RSC, Benjani.

I'll give you Phil Jones and Emerton (since his versatility is invaluable).

But we've made a brilliant signing in Dann, which gives us one of the best centre-back pairings outside the Top Four.

And we also have Simon Vukcevic, who's a cracking player on his day.

We've signed Petrovic to cover JJ.

Yakubu & Goodwillie can't do any worse than M. Diouf, Santa Cruz and Benjani.

And E. Diouf was never going to feature under Kean, anyway.

[Veevs]

I didn't say JJ wasn't a good signing Veevs, I said for all his January transfer incomings, results were still awful/terrible - whichever you want.

This bit is being ignored by those wanting to give Kean more time. We only hear from them about the last transfer window - and I maintain, that this years squad is currently looking far weaker than the squad he had at his disposal at the end of last season. Since then we have lost Phil Jones, Jermaine Jones, Emerton, EH Diouf, MB Diouf, RSC, Benjani.

If I was the manager, I would much prefer to have last seasons squad to work with, than this seasons squad, from what I've seen so far. Yes, we have Vukcenic and Yakubu to come yet, so it's maybe still a little too early to come to a final conclusion - that's why I say "from what I've seen so far".

I think that's a balanced viewpoint.

Sorry mate misunderstood your wording.. Agree with you totally there on what we have lost.. to say the least

[s_simpson_9]

I can't work this reply button properly ...

ABBEY - how the frig would I know if curbishly will come. Pull your head in. But surely he is ready for another crack. And surely a lot of other managers out there would also love a crack.

VEEVS - my post could've been better. Schuster - may want to have a go. He was a 'realistic' one. But there is no way Poyet will leave the Brighton Wonderland.

[47er]

I'll give you Phil Jones and Emerton (since his versatility is invaluable).

But we've made a brilliant signing in Dann, which gives us one of the best centre-back pairings outside the Top Four.

And we also have Simon Vukcevic, who's a cracking player on his day.

We've signed Petrovic to cover JJ--------not in the same league thus far is he? Opposition walks through him.

.

And E. Diouf was never going to feature under Kean, anyway-------that's not an argument for Kean though is it? Couldn't handle him because he's not a manager. Let Warnock walk all over us.

[dubdubdub]

Eh? I thought this was now Kean's team? And we should judge him after the window? Hasn't done very well has he if we have to drop Hoilett to provide cover for the full-backs?

If we are so desperate for cover for the full-backs and that means playing Pedersen and leaving out Hoilett, why did we let Diouf and Emerton go?

If you believe it was right to let those 2 go, why were they not replaced in the transfer window given the shortage you've identified?

Yet you still want him to be "given the chance to turn it around"! Why?

I'm not advocating cover for the full backs. Somebody else was. I think Hoilett just needs to track back so he's at least there in spirit. Rochina at least did this.

I was making the point that we either have defensive players on the wings or attacking ones. With the quality of wingers we do have, they happen to be more attacking. Not bothered we let Diouf go. I am sad we let Brett go.

[Amo]

JJ was written off after a few games, as well. Looked off the pace and gave away stupid fouls. Once we've seen more of Petrovic we can see if they are indeed leagues apart.

If E. Diouf wasn't playing under Kean beforehand, and not likely to this season, how is our squad weaker for losing him?

[mattym]

Quote from his interview this morning on Rovers Player

"Your better playing the big teams when your playing well, and theres no doubt we are playing well at the moment" Steve Keen 16/09/2011

What the hell is he on ??

[Veevs]

I'll give you Phil Jones and Emerton (since his versatility is invaluable).

But we've made a brilliant signing in Dann, which gives us one of the best centre-back pairings outside the Top Four.

And we also have Simon Vukcevic, who's a cracking player on his day.

We've signed Petrovic to cover JJ.

Yakubu & Goodwillie can't do any worse than M. Diouf, Santa Cruz and Benjani.

And E. Diouf was never going to feature under Kean, anyway.

Petrovic isn't a JJ completely different player and still a young lad.

Simon is unpredictable and another one who won't support the back line... but who makes way for him? Yes another of the new signings.

Yakuba we will see his record in the EPL for the last few seasons since his injury (I will say yet again science has proven this effects performance.. jump, speed, agility and acceleration) has been poor to say the least (1 in 14 makes him worse than even Roberts).

Goodwillie may come good but who knows at the moment, he has looked unfit and very unready for the EPL.

Dann is great, but not of the same standard as Jones who could play as an authoritive defensive midfielder when needed.

And you hit on another key factor missing.. can you name a player in our squad who is versitile enough to fill in where needed? Last season Andrews, Phil Jones and Emerton all are versitile enough to fill in.

[sijoco]

Quote from his interview this morning on Rovers Player

"Your better playing the big teams when your playing well, and theres no doubt we are playing well at the moment" Steve Keen 16/09/2011

What the hell is he on ??

God help us when we have a "slump" in form then!!!