[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[Veevs]

Quote from his interview this morning on Rovers Player

"Your better playing the big teams when your playing well, and theres no doubt we are playing well at the moment" Steve Keen 16/09/2011

What the hell is he on ??

Is your homer sig meant to look like Kean or just a strange coincidence?

[mattym]

Is your homer sig meant to look like Kean or just a strange coincidence?

ha ha when I made those I had never even heard of the cretin, I think a new sig is on order now you have brought it to my attention

[chris]

Quote from his interview this morning on Rovers Player

"Your better playing the big teams when your playing well, and theres no doubt we are playing well at the moment" Steve Keen 16/09/2011

What the hell is he on ??

He always refers to the Everton game.

anyway the time for talking from Kean is soon over, massive game. Both Jensen and Kean have pretty much promised points from this game.

Infact Jensen is expecting two straight wins.

[John]

The Everton game seems to live long in the memory for Kean, really loves looking back on it.

He seems to have gone into positve over drive in his Rovers player interview - can't take the beaming smile off his face, the man just loves what he is doing - the players must be learning stuff from his years of experience on a daily basis.

[redroses]

Agent ITK on twitter whoever he is reckons Kean will be replaced in 2 weeks if he can't gather some support

[roversR4ever]

POMPUS PILLOCK

Cant we at least keep the language cleaner in all our responses. What ever our views are.

Heres my view on things, but before I do it must be said I am v v worried about the whole situation.

1. A good manager needs a stable environment to be at their best. Can anyone honestly say Kean has had that?

2. He lost both the best holding midfielders in the two Jones's - Any manger would have lost one to Man U. The other we could not afford to buy. It was a major problem before Kean - even Sam didnt fix it.

3. Lets face it with regards getting in new players it was a complete mess - you cant tell me Kean would not have rather had all the players in BEFORE the season started. Lets be honest here if we had Dann in before the wolves game we might have got something from it. If the other players had been signed early then they might have been better prepared for the Prem.

Would Mark Hughes put up with that situation - Sam certainly wouldnt have.

The problem now is whoever is manager has a number of players who will require time to get to the pace of the Prem. I believe that they will but will we be to far adrift by then?

So as far as I can see it the following things need to be answered before Kean is pushed out of the door.

1. Will some one of Mark Hughes standard come. I suppose the organisation at the club is better now than a couple of months ago. We have to be sure that we can get someone in of that standard before we get rid of Kean.

2. Have we honestly given Kean enough time bearing in mind the complete mess he has had to work in?

3. Has Kean got the tactical knowledge? Its pretty obvious that without two good defensive midfielders you cannot play the type of football Kean wants. Has he got the tactical ability to cope until Petrovic gets to the required standard - lets face it if Petrovic cant get to that standard then you simply cant play all the attacking players Kean wants to do - Dunn cant stay fit to play enough - which is a pity as he did ok until he went off against Fulham - Grella will never be fit enough.

So what would I do if I was Venkys

1. Say sorry for the mess I have created. Rather than let Kean take all the blame.

2. Tell Kean he has 3 games to get it right. (yes I am aware that thay may be too much time)

3. See if anyone like Mark Hughes is available and willing to come for certain.

[Amo]

Petrovic isn't a JJ completely different player and still a young lad.

Different players, perhaps. Different class, we're yet to find out.

He's 22 years-old, which means he has plenty of potential and doesn't have a past of injuries, and most importantly he's our player. For all his good points, JJ wasn't our player and he was nearing 30. If Petrovic pays off, we've got a snip at £2.5m.

Simon is unpredictable and another one who won't support the back line... but who makes way for him? Yes another of the new signings.

We're a lot stronger in terms of attacking options than last season. That's one aspect of squad depth that you seem to be neglecting.

Yakuba we will see his record in the EPL for the last few seasons since his injury (I will say yet again science has proven this effects performance.. jump, speed, agility and acceleration) has been poor to say the least (1 in 14 makes him worse than even Roberts).

He was scoring more than 1 in 2 for Leicester last season. Championship maybe, but I doubt he's as crippled as some are making out. Our highest PL scoring striker last season was Roberts, I believe, with 5 goals. If Yakubu can't beat that, then we are f*cked.

Goodwillie may come good but who knows at the moment, he has looked unfit and very unready for the EPL.

Who knows? So why are we naturally assuming he's worse than last season's "hotshots"?

Dann is great, but not of the same standard as Jones who could play as an authoritive defensive midfielder when needed.

That's why he cost £20m.

We've done our best to cover his departure by signing Dann, which is great business.

And you hit on another key factor missing.. can you name a player in our squad who is versitile enough to fill in where needed? Last season Andrews, Phil Jones and Emerton all are versitile enough to fill in.

Jason Lowe's coming through now and looks like he can play defence and midfield. I'd rather promote one of our youth prospects instead of relying on Andrews' 'jack of all trades, master of none' routine.

[Veevs]

ha ha when I made those I had never even heard of the cretin, I think a new sig is on order now you have brought it to my attention

Well I quite like the look of them homer in the wasn't me just a bit of bad luck kind of pose.

[Veevs]

Different players, perhaps. Different class, we're yet to find out.

He's 22 years-old, which means he has plenty of potential and doesn't have a past of injuries, and most importantly he's our player. For all his good points, JJ wasn't our player and he was nearing 30. If Petrovic pays off, we've got a snip at £2.5m.

Different style of player he is more tugay than savage, we need someone with authority in midfield, Petrovic simply does not have that rep nor the experience to do that, I will not argue that he may become a great player in years to come but he won't help us survive.

We're a lot stronger in terms of attacking options than last season. That's one aspect of squad depth that you seem to be neglecting.

Don't disagree there, did not leave it out on purpose but whats the point in attacking options from midfield if there is no one there to put it in the onion bag

He was scoring more than 1 in 2 for Leicester last season. Championship maybe, but I doubt he's as crippled as some are making out. Our highest PL scoring striker last season was Roberts, I believe, with 5 goals. If Yakubu can't beat that, then we are f*cked.

Who knows? So why are we naturally assuming he's worse than last season's "hotshots"?

Not assuming was going on science fact that his pace etc have changed, plenty of players can cope with the pace of the championship.. but not the EPL so took his recent EPL record into account.

He is likely to score more than Roberts though, but who knows he has more natural talent but is his injury going to cause to much of an issue.. very much lets wait and see.

That's why he cost £20m.

We've done our best to cover his departure by signing Dann, which is great business.

Very true.. but you can't say we are better for it, we had one of the best partnerships last season and as you admit better than what we have now.

Jason Lowe's coming through now and looks like he can play defence and midfield. I'd rather promote one of our youth prospects instead of relying on Andrews' 'jack of all trades, master of none' routine.

Again the kid issue for me, experience counts for allot in every profession and even Mr "I can't pass and have no skill" Andrews had enough to do a decent job filling in at the back (RB and central defence).. remember in the past there have always been experienced versitile back up players from the days of Warhurst, Atkins to The Axe, Chimb through to Andrews, Emerton.. etc etc etc.. the key is experienced players who are not really good enough for one position but adaptable enough to be adequate cover anywhere on the pitch when a crisis occurs.

[Kelbo]

Cant we at least keep the language cleaner in all our responses. What ever our views are.

Heres my view on things, but before I do it must be said I am v v worried about the whole situation.

1. A good manager needs a stable environment to be at their best. Can anyone honestly say Kean has had that?

2. He lost both the best holding midfielders in the two Jones's - Any manger would have lost one to Man U. The other we could not afford to buy. It was a major problem before Kean - even Sam didnt fix it.

3. Lets face it with regards getting in new players it was a complete mess - you cant tell me Kean would not have rather had all the players in BEFORE the season started. Lets be honest here if we had Dann in before the wolves game we might have got something from it. If the other players had been signed early then they might have been better prepared for the Prem. Would Mark Hughes put up with that situation - Sam certainly wouldnt have.

The problem now is whoever is manager has a number of players who will require time to get to the pace of the Prem. I believe that they will but will we be to far adrift by then?

So as far as I can see it the following things need to be answered before Kean is pushed out of the door.

1. Will some one of Mark Hughes standard come. I suppose the organisation at the club is better now than a couple of months ago. We have to be sure that we can get someone in of that standard before we get rid of Kean.

2. Have we honestly given Kean enough time bearing in mind the complete mess he has had to work in?

3. Has Kean got the tactical knowledge? Its pretty obvious that without two good defensive midfielders you cannot play the type of football Kean wants. Has he got the tactical ability to cope until Petrovic gets to the required standard - lets face it if Petrovic cant get to that standard then you simply cant play all the attacking players Kean wants to do - Dunn cant stay fit to play enough - which is a pity as he did ok until he went off against Fulham - Grella will never be fit enough.

So what would I do if I was Venkys

1. Say sorry for the mess I have created. Rather than let Kean take all the blame.

2. Tell Kean he has 3 games to get it right. (yes I am aware that thay may be too much time)

3. See if anyone like Mark Hughes is available and willing to come for certain.

In answer to the highlighted bits, Its of my honest opinion based upon the knowledge I have, that Kean and Anderson between them created the instability themselves so I cant accept that point.

As for signings being made earlier, Kean, Nelsen, Roberts etc were sightseeing for three days in Pune less than two weeks before the first game of the season, he knew we had lost Jones, knew at the time the possibility of losing Samba and knew Nelsen wasnt going to be fit for the opening game, so why didnt he buy a centre back then?

A good manager would have done and told the owners just why we must buy a particular player, thats good management, bad management is nodding in agreement and for those reasons we were at last minute saloon with regards to signings!

[BigAlan]

For me, the problem with Steve Kean is that we are all going to be guessing if he can turn it around. Basing opinions on facts over his tenure only breeds negativity towards him. I cannot remember a game under him when I thought we looked solid and very unlikely to concede. I think he's made huge errors in the transfer market with regards to all the midfield signings, we've been crying out for a left back since Warnock left and Salgado is well and truly past it. We no longer have Emerton who will cover him on the right and down the left is just a bad. I think we are exposed woefully down those flanks as proved last week at Fulham. Pace will destroy us. I'm sorry but I just cannot place my faith in a manager who I can't believe in. I don't believe in Kean and I don't see any solidity in the team. If he proves us all wrong then bloody smashing, but we can't base our premier league future on hoping he can turn it round as games slip away

[PLJPB]

I gave up on Kean after the Blackpool home game towards the end of last season and still believe we will br relegated if he stays.

However, having read comments in other threads and thought about what will happen when he is gone, I don't think sacking him will save us.

Quite simply, while Venky's control the club we are not going to improve.

I think the protest is still worthwhile if only to let Venky's know that the supporters will not stand by and watch our club ruined by them. IMO its stage one - we will be protesting directly at Venky's before the end of the year.

[Mercer]

Odds on Kean going are hardening - Sky 4/7 and William Hill, a staggering 4/9.

[roversR4ever]

In answer to the highlighted bits, Its of my honest opinion based upon the knowledge I have, that Kean and Anderson between them created the instability themselves so I cant accept that point.

As for signings being made earlier, Kean, Nelsen, Roberts etc were sightseeing for three days in Pune less than two weeks before the first game of the season, he knew we had lost Jones, knew at the time the possibility of losing Samba and knew Nelsen wasnt going to be fit for the opening game, so why didnt he buy a centre back then?

A good manager would have done and told the owners just why we must buy a particular player, thats good management, bad management is nodding in agreement and for those reasons we were at last minute saloon with regards to signings!

I agree with you regards to Anderson, Venkys inexperience and Andersons power and his subsequent loss of influence created the instability. With regards the visit to Pune I actually think that getting an Academy setup and promoting it in India is a good idea. How do we know that Kean didnt tell them how important it was to start getting players signed? Its all conjecture.

Im simply saying and hoping that Venkys have learnt from their mistakes and hope that BEFORE we get rid of Kean we have someone of the standard of Mark Hughes lined up. If Kean can show that in the next few games he has the ability to make massive improvements then fine but I dont want Kean gone without a GOOD replacement already sorted. I am fed up of seeing the club I love struggling and its reputation falling with it.

[bigbrandjohn]

Not much said on this string about the players. It appears Samba is up for a fight. What will the verdict be of the protestors if the team plays out of their skin ? A blip perhaps. If they play their hearts out and get a result in spite of all the noise is that a vote of confidence in the manager or just a one off against a big club ?

[chris]

Not much said on this string about the players. It appears Samba is up for a fight. What will the verdict be of the protestors if the team plays out of their skin ? A blip perhaps. If they play their hearts out and get a result in spite of all the noise is that a vote of confidence in the manager or just a one off against a big club ?

Samba certainly has earnt a captiain re-installion.

Ironic since he has been beyond desperate to leave.

[FourLaneBlue]

Quote from his interview this morning on Rovers Player

"Your better playing the big teams when your playing well, and theres no doubt we are playing well at the moment" Steve Keen 16/09/2011

What the hell is he on ??

I used to think that the play of Kean´s time at Rovers would have to be a tragedy.

Now I realise it would only work as a farce-

The man´s delusional. Utterly bonkers.

[FourLaneBlue]

1. Will some one of Mark Hughes standard come. I suppose the organisation at the club is better now than a couple of months ago. We have to be sure that we can get someone in of that standard before we get rid of Kean.

2. Have we honestly given Kean enough time bearing in mind the complete mess he has had to work in?

3. Has Kean got the tactical knowledge? Its pretty obvious that without two good defensive midfielders you cannot play the type of football Kean wants. Has he got the tactical ability to cope until Petrovic gets to the required standard - lets face it if Petrovic cant get to that standard then you simply cant play all the attacking players Kean wants to do - Dunn cant stay fit to play enough - which is a pity as he did ok until he went off against Fulham - Grella will never be fit enough.

1. The list of managers who are better than Kean is extremely long. Hughes would be ideal, but almost anyone would be an improvement.

2. Yes. Obviously. Besides, some of the confusion is down to him.

3. He has shown little to no demonstation of being tactically competent enough to compete in the Prem.

As for

"Tell Kean he has 3 games to get it right. (yes I am aware that thay may be too much time)"

He has got it right. This is his level. The best of a year says it all and is long enough to judge.

[chris]

this is doing the rounds on Twitter:

Steve Kean blows own trumpet: "Phil Jones for example did not have a squad number when I arrived and now he is worth 20 million."

[John]

this is doing the rounds on Twitter:

Steve Kean blows own trumpet: "Phil Jones for example did not have a squad number when I arrived and now he is worth 20 million.

Plus Kean developed Junior too remember - simply put, without Kean we would not be where we are today....

The players love him to bits.

[den]

this is doing the rounds on Twitter:

Steve Kean blows own trumpet: "Phil Jones for example did not have a squad number when I arrived and now he is worth 20 million.

Some people on here would accept that. Hoilett was useless before Kean got hold of him.

So that's two that Sam would have forced out of the club then.

[chris]

Plus Kean developed Junior too remember - simply put, without Kean we would not be where we are today....

The players love him to bits.

The Monkeys were a massive infleuence on The Beatles.

[John]

Blackburn have got the new Steven Gerrard - Kean

[Craigman]

mikehallitv Mike Hall

Blackburn Rovers owner Venkatesh Rao says Steve Kean will not be sacked. His job is safe. See my interview on @granadareports at 6 #brfc

[chris]

Kean: "Look at Jason Lowe who will play tomorrow (on Saturday). I have a 16-year-old (19) who is like Steven Gerrard at his age."

A young Gerrard, a young Batistuta, a young Rooney, a young Irwin.

Crazy man.

Unless he turns out to be right then genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!