[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[briansol]

With 4 games gone, and putting off judgement until 12-13 more matches, we are potentially writing off half the season. I think that is a bit excessive.

I meant I'll be judging after 12-13 games of the season, meaning giving him 8 more games which is about a third of the season. That makes it time for a new manager to turn things around if Kean does an Ince.

Does anybody really think the squad is top 10 potential? I'd be more than satisfied to avoid relegation with our squad no matter who's the manager. Looking at wages and spending we're not close to top 10.

[PLJPB]

What answers do you want?

You want him sacked like the rest of the idiots on that march. He needs time with HIS team. The team that he is building have played ONLY 4 games together and you want him gone. How stupid of you.

If I was Kean, I'd ignore the 1% that turned up, and most definitely ignore you for setting up this ridiculous protest to begin with.

I may be mistaken but I seem to remember Kean saying he was very happy with the team that he took over from Big Sam at the time. I'm sure he stated that he would be able to take this same team and improve on the league position he inherited even talking about top 5/6 the same season. Indeed I think after his first few games he actually did this and repeated his bullish claims.

However, we all know about the terrible run that the followed.

I won't call anyone stupid but i do think people are being a little naive to then allow Kean to reset his record by saying he wanted to be judged after the summer transfer window.

I personally am finding it very difficult to simply forget some of last season's abject performances under a manager who had stated that he was very happy with the squad he inherited and was then given the opportunity to improve it in the January transfer window.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I don't think this large shift in percentages indicates fickleness to the extent people are implying. As T4E says, his supporters or knockers will come out in force when conditions are favourable to them.

On the argument of whether its too early to judge him, its pretty simple really. If you're of the opinion he should be judged on his whole reign, then obviously its not. If you're of the opinion he should be judged on just this season, then it definitely is.

Personally I take the second viewpoint because, rightly or wrongly, Venkys have now invested far too much time and money into Kean to have a knee jerk reaction because of 3 losses. If he wasn't gonna be sacked last season or over the summer, then it seems sensible to me that he should be given a clean slate for this season.

[mhead]

I am glad the Protest took place AND the Rovers won.

As one of the 'keep your nerve' 105 from the previous Poll ,all that has happened is that 30 people have joined us in not wanting panic moves. Steve Kean saved his bacon at the end of last season when we stayed in the premiership by the skin of our teeth.

The position will get precarious again but we have greater strength in depth than even in 95.Of course not as good and nothing like as forceful. The young players are getting valuable experience....and once again I think we can punch above our weight.

And I do not want to play the Dingles for years!

[glen9mullan]

After recently finding out Im not a supporter of BRFC firstly because I didn't support Kean and now finding out that Venky's see supporters as UK based season ticket holders only (I do have a season ticket now at Perth Glory does that count? wouldn't class myself as a glory supporter though ) despite attending games since i was 6 -1972 until I moved away 2008 and a couple when i could get back home) I have now seen the wrong of my ways and become a disciple in the Church of latter day Kean, let me tell you my story

Kean 3.16

On the Seventeeth day of the ninth month in the year 2011 (Old Calendar system, please refer to the Keanian calendar currently year 0 day 20, but is reset often to year 0 day 0) a miracle occured which brought new followers and myself to the church of Latter day Kean

At Ewood Park now renamed the Temple of Sacred Miracle of the Saviour and witnessed by 700 (1%) non believers and 63,300 (99%) believers and a worldwide audience via television the great one kean turned a run of the mill football team into an ensemble of Brazillianeseque propotions and only after two games into his reign which now sees us lead the official table and not the one run by dark forces of evil the premier league which says we have played 4 games but as we now know it is only 2 games played ever under the Lord Kean..

As a non believer I viewed and was not convinced until I watched the lord saviour's after match sermon and coming on this messageboard his flock inspired by the miracle and sermon had grown in numbers and convinced me it was only the year zero day 17 of our Lord keans reign.

Previously an imposter tainted by the anti christ allardyceabob has been parading as the lord. It was this imposter that had lied and bluffed his way through the previous 8 months (old year system) and forced the true lord to take the devils brew whilst breaking the law.

But the Lord Kean helped by the Guardian Angel Anderson overcame the imposter and increasd the funds to fight evil and rid the team of allardyebob and now it is told that Lord Kean is sending his own army, his team (except Robinson, Salgado, Olsson, Samba, Givet, Nelsen , Dunn, Grella , Pedersen, Bunn, N'Zonzi, Hoilett, Roberts) onto the battlefield and the new world begins

The non believers were berated by the growing believers , but yet the non believers remain.

The lord Keans most dedicated followers from the Temple of the Chicken in India are now welcoming would be only true followers of the 136 year old instituation to train and send back to spread the Lords word. Would be missionaries will be bestowed gifts and allowed to question the Venkian order of the Chicken Temple regarding the warmth of pies and the fizziness of soft drinks in match day kiosks , before being granted a mass meeting with the Lord kean who will work his hypnotic charm so that they can spread the word of unicorns, fluffy clouds, brilliant rainbows and european football

Excuse any typos I am currently sending this via my phone whilst going through my Baptism into the Lord of our Kean cult which involves shaving my head after drinking two glasses of red wine and a bottle of budweiser (which i left unattended as instructed) and driving down the motorway at 90mph whilst on my mobile.

Praise The Kean

I've seen the light will you ? You get this free t-shirt

One of the funniest things I ever read, got no plus's or minus's left but this would of got the best plus i have given yet.

You should be blogging with that imagination, as I fell off my chair with laughter and it certainly cheered me up. More post like this please, as a bit of humour always lifts the place

[DE.]

I'm kind of with Mattyblue in that I don't want Kean as manager but there's no point going on about wanting him sacked now. The Arsenal result will have made him bulletproof for the foreseeable future so I'm not going to waste my effort demanding his removal at this point, because it isn't going to happen.

[Jackson]

10 games for me. 10 points from the first 10 games.

If/when that target becomes numerically impossible, I will re-vote sack now.

Yes, folk could argue about that being x more games that are winnable to get points on the board that we may otherwise lose out on by sticking with Kean etc., but let's face it, he ain't going anywhere for the next few games at least, so, for me, this is a realistic and practical stance.

[Steve Moss]

10 games for me. 10 points from the first 10 games.

If/when that target becomes numerically impossible, I will re-vote sack now.

Yes, folk could argue about that being x more games that are winnable to get points on the board that we may otherwise lose out on by sticking with Kean etc., but let's face it, he ain't going anywhere for the next few games at least, so, for me, this is a realistic and practical stance.

I'm not faulty your stance and your methodology. I would point out, however, that one point per game means a 38 point season. Which is likely relegation. You might want to consider revamping it to 11 points in 10 games, or 12 in 11 games. Something to cover the gap to that all important 40 points (presumed safety) which will still, however, leave us bottom half.

[braddock]

I'm not faulty your stance and your methodology. I would point out, however, that one point per game means a 38 point season. Which is likely relegation. You might want to consider revamping it to 11 points in 10 games, or 12 in 11 games. Something to cover the gap to that all important 40 points (presumed safety) which will still, however, leave us bottom half.

If you are going to go as in depth as that you should also take into account exactly who we play in those ten games and see if that is an average ten game run with regards to points expected.

[rogerjonesgloves]

If you are going to go as in depth as that you should also take into account exactly who we play in those ten games and see if that is an average ten game run with regards to points expected.

Take into account standard deviation.

[tony gale's mic]

The Arsenal game was no doubt a great result. However a few things need to be taken into account.

After losing to us Arsenal's last 16 games have yielded just 16 points. This was not the same Arsenal who battered us 6-2.

We similarly beat a Liverpool side in crisis last season, and what happened afterwards? If anything that Liverpool performance was still more impressive than this Arsenal one - Liverpool werent in as much of a crisis, were in better nick and we also played considerably better that game. It didnt stop us tumbling towards the relegation zone.

As I've stated time and time again, most of the clubs who've tried to play expansive football on a limited budget have eventually got themselves relegated, either that season or the season afterwards. Most of them (see Hull, Burnley, Blackpool etc) gave the big sides a bloody nose on multiple occasions. There's a reason for this - big teams usually come to places like Ewood with tactics expecting clubs like us to park the bus and they focus on trying to break us down. When we then play like we did on Sunday it gives them a shock and catches them out. That's all very well and good for a few matches a season. But against the smaller teams it doesnt work so well since that factor doesnt come into play; and the big sides suss you out after a while too. This a main reason why teams like Burnley, Hull and Blackpool got relegated despite starting very strongly and why WBA have been a yoyo club. Hughes is the only manager who had a few seasons of decent looking football at Rovers on a limited budget with some success. Allardyce, Pulis (before Stoke started spending big), Curbishley never played great looking football but succeeded by playing ugly.

If you have a decent defence and a poor attack chances are you'll stay up (Birmingham last season being an exception). If the opposite is true, chances are you will go down. We have good personnel in central defence but the full backs and the tactics are still a big worry.

Second half we were excellent (until the nervy last ten minutes or so), but first half we were pretty bad. We played well in the second half, Arsenal fell apart in the second half and Arsenal got unlucky. Those three factors contributed to our win. It wasn't just a case of Steve Kean's tactical genius overpowering Wenger.

Steve Kean definitely deserves credit for this result and for that second half performance. Paul Ince also deserves credit for good away wins at Newcastle and Everton, and a decent home victory vs Fulham. Doesnt mean all that much when looking at his overall record and abilities to manage this football club.

I'm beginning to wonder if some of the members on here descend from goldfish looking at the poll results.

[XLM]

Fans are fickle. I said this exact thing would happen about a month ago. Lose the next game playing amazingly to a 40 yard volley from the referee and the sack percentage will go up, win after playing dreadfully and the sack percentage will go down.

[tony gale's mic]

Fans are fickle. I said this exact thing would happen about a month ago. Lose the next game playing amazingly to a 40 yard volley from the referee and the sack percentage will go up, win after playing dreadfully and the sack percentage will go down.

This is true, but looking at the bigger picture, as it stands now there can only be one logical vote. We've lost a lot more matches than we've won.

[XLM]

This is true, but looking at the bigger picture, as it stands now there can only be one logical vote. We've lost a lot more matches than we've won.

I disagree because I would look at in a different way to you (can't be bothered going into it again). Neither right, nor wrong. As long as there is foundation to an opinion other than 2 numbers on teletext.

[imy9]

So one win and Kean's approval percentage has gone from 14% to 36%?! Just about sums up the knee-jerkers around here.

The same thing happens after every game, either we lose and the anti-Keans rub it in everyone's face, or we avoid defeat and the pro-Keans come out in force. It's ridiculous.

Over the course of his tenure, he has shown that he can't get results in this league consistently enough. That may improve - I hope it does. One win doesn't suggest to me that it has improved just yet, a consistent run of good results that bring his overall win %age up to something that can be deemed competitive in this league will convince me.

Until then, he has a lot to prove, and I worry about allowing him to learn on our time. For that reason I voted to sack him. This seems really staright forward and I can't for the life of me understand how it generates page after page of debate.

After a win, we get TWO options:

Sack NOW or give him more time, most people are going to give him time.

I wanted him gone after Fulham and STILL prefer a more experienced man but that win against Arsenal HAS given him more time and I can see the sense in giving him a little more time, (10 games?) before the pitch forks come out.

[Majiball]

Could Glenn or someone please post the voting figures from the last one?

IE total number (not % they can be misleading) of voters for each choice and overall.

[Hughesy]

This is true, but looking at the bigger picture, as it stands now there can only be one logical vote. We've lost a lot more matches than we've won.

This season?

All competitions....7 games, 3 wins, 1 draw, 3 losses

Before you start I do know where your coming from.

[waggy]

since sparky left we have had managers that the fans either love or hate,the problem with this one is he is unsackable and its about time the fans realised this,you can march ,you can print kean out posters and then when the team win and the same fans vote for him to be given more time.i will never understand some posters on here,you either want the guy out or back him,not change your mind after every game

[waggy]

Kean thinks only 1% of the fans don't support him. What about the 10%+ of fans who no longer turn up to games?

i think thats down to the owners not the manager

[47er]

i think thats down to the owners not the manager

both?

[thenodrog]

Just viewed the poll.

How revealing that 1 freak result can make such a difference. Exactly why I've stated frequently that our form of democracy with it's increasingly showbizzy electoral system has run it's course. A nation of individuals with goldfish memories weaned on phoning in to Big Brother and X factor obviously can no longer be trusted to formulate any sort of considered and valued opinion.

[BuckyRover]

Just viewed the poll.

How revealing that 1 freak result can make such a difference. Exactly why I've stated frequently that our form of democracy with it's increasingly showbizzy electoral system has run it's course. A nation of individuals with goldfish memories weaned on phoning in to Big Brother and X factor obviously can no longer be trusted to formulate any sort of considered and valued opinion.

It's because we would look like bloody idiots sacking our manager after beating Arsenal 4-3.

Most people want him gone because he isn't getting results, not because he isn't Sam. If we start winning then it's not a problem.

Roll on Newcastle

[glen9mullan]

Some interesting stats as Steve Kean always points to them:

During Steve Kean's 31 league and cup games as Rovers "manager" we have only kept 5 clean sheets.... Only two of those have resulted in league wins....... the other a win in the FA Cup and two 0-0 league draws................ 31 games and 52 goals conceded

Its ok playing attacking football and trying to score goals aplenty, but ultimately clean sheets go a long way in ensuring your Premiership safety

[DE.]

The poll would probably have been better named "do you still want Steve Kean as manager?" rather than how it's currently titled. Obviously sacking him after the Arsenal win would look stupid, which is why a lot of people have probably voted "no" despite not actually wanting Kean in charge long-term. That would be my assumption, anyway.

Also, my 'yes' voted was based on considering whether I want Kean as manager in the long-term rather than judging based on the Arsenal result.

[John]

Kean on BBC Radio Lancashire from 6pm this evening.