[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[AllRoverAsia]

I think the fact that poll isn't anonymous makes people very wary to go against the strong opinion on here and vote to back him.

Whilst I think (hopefully not in the Kean sense) that I have voted ''Kean Out'' consistently I do tend to agree with your view especially when those voting ''more time'' are being singled out for personal abuse.

On the other hand if they were like me they would not have known, until very recently, that the individuals votes could be monitored.

To those of us voting ''Kean Out'' in the majority on a MB very sympathetic to the (IMO) valid ''Kean Out'' movement it's quite easy to say that having an open vote is not an issue. Perhaps the personal abuse suggests it is.

I note for example that the Fans Forum had a secret vote to select those FF members who would go on the Pune trip. We know who they are now as they, quite bravely in retrospect, came out of the FF closet and declared themselves.

Anyway as everything to do with the poll semms to be logged I look forward to the publishing of the ''Kean Index''.

[Guest Rovers4Good]

Judge him on the results of his new squad?

S**t then LOL

[Mercer]

Over the weekend and after 3 hours this morning, I've not heard one kind word for Kean from a Rovers' supporter. As for non Rovers' supporters, it's the longest running joke they can remember.

Please, please, somebody return this idiot to his village.

[arbitro]

Walking from St James Park to the city centre after the game we had several Newcastle fans sympathing with us and our clubs plight!

Can it get any worse.

[True Blue & White]

Steve kean is proving harder to get rid of than a Dale Farm resident.

[T4E]

Many (myself included) voted for 'More time' last week as there was no way in hell a manager is going to be sacked on the back of beating Arsenal.

Nothing to do with people thinking he was suddenly good enough.

A poll is asking for your opinion on what we should do, not what we will do.

Did the rest of last weeks 36% all make the same mistake as Tom?

[martonrover]

A few points now the dust has settled:

-Rolo post is an excellent summary and starts to persuade me of need for a change

-Wigan Away did it for Ince. QPR Away is the vital one now for steve kean.

-26 points out of 81 is very poor BUT its this season that counts

-with Citeh coming next when would we have been slightly confident about this one? They are now a juggernaut.

-after QPR away we have 13 days without a match. That is the 'window'BUT 3 points from those 2 matches will save him again.

MOST important thing is we have to stay together -the Club is always more important than any one person.

It's after Man City that there's a 2 week break. That would be the ideal time to bring in an actual management team to replace the Chuckle brothers

[matty1875]

I am one of those who voted give him more time. (By that I mean 1 more game) I stated before the Arsenal match that I wanted to give him 7 games, 5th of a season to show that he has the ability to move the club forward. This would take us up to the international break and if we are in the bottom 3 then we should consider getting rid of him. (Give a week to find a new manager and then a further week to settle in) Sacking a manager after 4 games in the season would have been laughable. 7 games is in real terms is not enough in a season really to give a manager enough time but I think Kean is an exception to the rule as he has never managed before and seems to be constantly taking one step forward and then 3 steps back. The 20 minutes after half time against Arsenal was some of the best attacking football seen at Ewood for years, we ripped them apart, simple as that. Positives like these snippets of performance give fans like me hope.

However the defence is all over the shop, we don't seem to press teams and just let wingers cross then ball in, which Newcastle exploited on Saturday. It was obvious from the Fulham game that this is a problem; however he has not sorted it at all. That for me means he is not a strong enough manager, does not have the tactical capability or his backroom staff are scared about pointing out these flaws and just agree with Kean, so pointless people to have. His lack of noticing a poor performance is the worst thing. If he had come out on Saturday and said, "We were rubbish, that is not good enough, we will do better next week and work on things in training" instead of the usual of blaming the ref etc then he would get less stick. However he loses so much respect by hiding behind the ref and needs actually grow a pair.

He has 1 game to save his skin, that is City at home. Kean has got himself into this situation, he needs to step up and get the best performance out of a talented but leaderless Rovers team. I am glad to see Samba coming out in the press, shows a bit of spirit. Yes City will be tough; however it is not an impossible task. Teams who have just played a Champions League game in the week tend to do worse in their next Premier League match, especially away from home. So we have a small chance of beating City, (If it was City away then not a prayer), let’s get behind the team on Saturday and put all this talk of Kean out on hold until after the match. We can win on Saturday, but everybody will have to have the games of their lives, similar to the United match last season when we played really well and could / should have won that game. Luck will play a part but you always need that to beat a one the big teams in this league.

[67splitscreen]

It's after Man City that there's a 2 week break. That would be the ideal time to bring in an actual management team to replace the Chuckle brothers

Correct it is, fixtures imported to Ical from the official site, have the break the after the QPR game on the 8th, but not in the actual 1st team fixtures, just cant trust technology.

[roverwhelmed]

It's after Man City that there's a 2 week break. That would be the ideal time to bring in an actual management team to replace the Chuckle brothers

Is this not when they are off to India??

I can't imagine they'll do it then. Much as I'd saw off my right arm if i thought it might persuade them.

[Veevs]

A poll is asking for your opinion on what we should do, not what we will do.

Did the rest of last weeks 36% all make the same mistake as Tom?

Taking a little bit of a guess but I am more than likely not far wrong.. most of those 36% probably only saw MOTD in which we looked far better than we actually played. We looked great for the first 20-25mins of the second half but for me that was it.. the rest was awful.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Is this not when they are off to India??

I can't imagine they'll do it then. Much as I'd saw off my right arm if i thought it might persuade them.

Could swing either way for Kean - a big defeat by City may cause them enough embaressment to final axe him. Alternatively - an unlikely win - or even a draw - would see Kean rightly given more time.

I like what Kean is trying to do - but I don't think he has the tactical ability to pull it off. Though the squad is now unbalanced (especially with Emerton leaving) we still have enough quality to defend far better than we are. You really have to look at the tactics employed by Kean and his coaching staff.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Could swing either way for Kean - a big defeat by City may cause them enough embaressment to final axe him. Alternatively - an unlikely win - or even a draw - would see Kean rightly given more time.

I like what Kean is trying to do - but I don't think he has the tactical ability to pull it off. Though the squad is now unbalanced (especially with Emerton leaving) we still have enough quality to defend far better than we are. You really have to look at the tactics employed by Kean and his coaching staff.

I don't like what Kean is trying to do. In fact quite the opposite. Anyone could get the odd win by attacking all and sundry, as he has proven this last 20+ games or so. Try getting some clean sheets, organised displays and consistent results. Nah chance under this guy. We need to score four each week to have any chance of winning.

[K-Hod]

It's almost as if the players have forgotten how to play football under this idiot.

How could they follow up a battling 2nd half display against Arsenal with that?

Just do one Steve Kean!!!

[Jackson]

I am one of those who voted give him more time. (By that I mean 1 more game) I stated before the Arsenal match that I wanted to give him 7 games, 5th of a season to show that he has the ability to move the club forward. This would take us up to the international break and if we are in the bottom 3 then we should consider getting rid of him. (Give a week to find a new manager and then a further week to settle in) Sacking a manager after 4 games in the season would have been laughable. 7 games is in real terms is not enough in a season really to give a manager enough time but I think Kean is an exception to the rule as he has never managed before and seems to be constantly taking one step forward and then 3 steps back. The 20 minutes after half time against Arsenal was some of the best attacking football seen at Ewood for years, we ripped them apart, simple as that. Positives like these snippets of performance give fans like me hope.

However the defence is all over the shop, we don't seem to press teams and just let wingers cross then ball in, which Newcastle exploited on Saturday. It was obvious from the Fulham game that this is a problem; however he has not sorted it at all. That for me means he is not a strong enough manager, does not have the tactical capability or his backroom staff are scared about pointing out these flaws and just agree with Kean, so pointless people to have. His lack of noticing a poor performance is the worst thing. If he had come out on Saturday and said, "We were rubbish, that is not good enough, we will do better next week and work on things in training" instead of the usual of blaming the ref etc then he would get less stick. However he loses so much respect by hiding behind the ref and needs actually grow a pair.

He has 1 game to save his skin, that is City at home. Kean has got himself into this situation, he needs to step up and get the best performance out of a talented but leaderless Rovers team. I am glad to see Samba coming out in the press, shows a bit of spirit. Yes City will be tough; however it is not an impossible task. Teams who have just played a Champions League game in the week tend to do worse in their next Premier League match, especially away from home. So we have a small chance of beating City, (If it was City away then not a prayer), let’s get behind the team on Saturday and put all this talk of Kean out on hold until after the match. We can win on Saturday, but everybody will have to have the games of their lives, similar to the United match last season when we played really well and could / should have won that game. Luck will play a part but you always need that to beat a one the big teams in this league.

A balanced post in line with my thoughts and a refreshing change to the "anyone who is pro-Kean is a pr!ck" lynchmob-type posts.

I'd thought initially that he should be allowed 10 games, although the display (or lack of) on Saturday for me will be a decision maker after watching the game at the weekend. Last chance at the saloon with his new signings who have had some time now to bed in.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I don't like what Kean is trying to do. In fact quite the opposite. Anyone could get the odd win by attacking all and sundry, as he has proven this last 20+ games or so. Try getting some clean sheets, organised displays and consistent results. Nah chance under this guy. We need to score four each week to have any chance of winning.

I was referring to him trying to play with a more attacking style - giving youth a chance - trying to buy players for the future.

Overall his tenure has been so far a disaster - with the odd shaft of light that raises your hopes that we have turned the corner (Liverpool, Arsenal, Wolves away last season) all to be be quickly brought down to earth.

Personally - I have always wanted Kean to succeed - as I do with all Rovers managers. Ultimately he succeeds and the club benefits.

Unfortunately Kean seems to demonstrate the Peter Principle.

[booth]

A balanced post in line with my thoughts and a refreshing change to the "anyone who is pro-Kean is a pr!ck" lynchmob-type posts.

I'd thought initially that he should be allowed 10 games, although the display (or lack of) on Saturday for me will be a decision maker after watching the game at the weekend. Last chance at the saloon with his new signings who have had some time now to bed in.

To be fair, if he is a failure and it's looking increasingly likely that he will be, some of the pro-Kean posters have backed the wrong horse and they've set themselves up for a fall. Not the ones that have been reasonable, but the ones who have been winding others up saying "the skies falling in" and calling them drama queens. All the warning signs have been there for a long time now that this wasn't going to work.

I'm sure Kean's working his socks off to turn things around but as I've said before it'd take a bona-fide genius to start suddenly getting consistent results - or even enough results to keep us up in the top flight.

I'm not quite sure what one more game will do for him or the club. At a long stretch we may get a draw against City (I think we'll get mauled personally), if that happens what do we do? Keep him on? It'll be a good point. But come the next few matches we'll most likely be dire again and we'll lose points against sides we should be beating. We've had some good games under him, but a handful of good results doesn't make a good manager. I'm sure if anyone was put in charge they'd get a handful of decent games just purely because the team were on form that day, or the opposition were dire.

I was referring to him trying to play with a more attacking style - giving youth a chance - trying to buy players for the future.

Overall his tenure has been so far a disaster - with the odd shaft of light that raises your hopes that we have turned the corner (Liverpool, Arsenal, Wolves away last season) all to be be quickly brought down to earth.

Personally - I have always wanted Kean to succeed - as I do with all Rovers managers. Ultimately he succeeds and the club benefits.

Unfortunately Kean seems to demonstrate the Peter Principle.

We've played that style in about five games though. All the other games it's been nullified. Against Newcastle for example, we were honestly no better going forward than under Allardyce the difference being under SA we'd have been more organized at the back.

He demonstrates the Peter Principle and then some. He's rewritten the book. He demonstrates the Steve Kean Principle.

[Grez]

To make the poll Easier to judge fans attitudes (lots keep saying more time = 1 game whilst others mean more). Could we not do the poll on statistics, e.g

"steve kean has a win % of x% (put proper figure here.). At what win % would be enough to convince you to sack him"

Choices:

- current win rate

- 21%

- 20%

- >15% <20%

- never - he's unsackable

[Veevs]

I was referring to him trying to play with a more attacking style - giving youth a chance - trying to buy players for the future.

Overall his tenure has been so far a disaster - with the odd shaft of light that raises your hopes that we have turned the corner (Liverpool, Arsenal, Wolves away last season) all to be be quickly brought down to earth.

Personally - I have always wanted Kean to succeed - as I do with all Rovers managers. Ultimately he succeeds and the club benefits.

Unfortunately Kean seems to demonstrate the Peter Principle.

To play an attractive style of football you do need to get the ball in the first place, we can not do that beyond defense at the moment..

Give youth a chance.. have we not always done that or are the likes of Jones, Nzonzi, Jnr, Olsson, Dunn, Duff, Bentley, Shearer et al all figments of my imagination.. some of our lads succeeded (including all listed) but most failed (yet many made it later in their careers.. Beatie, Davies etc) the most important thing was those who made it got there while the confidence was high. Sam introduced the likes of Nzonzi, PJ and Olsson while they had players around him who where steady, tried, tested and pretty boring.. using a team of kids does not and never has worked no matter what profession you are talking about and no matter what the apparent skill level.

I will give you the buying players for the future.. but frankly we need to stay in the league for any of these lads to either stay or have a chance to succeed.

[glen9mullan]

My honest opinion is

Result 1st, performance 2nd ,style of play 3rd.

Steve Kean's appears to be the other way around, with more emphasis on how he would like us to play, more than getting the result

[tony gale's mic]

Could swing either way for Kean - a big defeat by City may cause them enough embaressment to final axe him. Alternatively - an unlikely win - or even a draw - would see Kean rightly given more time.

I like what Kean is trying to do - but I don't think he has the tactical ability to pull it off. Though the squad is now unbalanced (especially with Emerton leaving) we still have enough quality to defend far better than we are. You really have to look at the tactics employed by Kean and his coaching staff.

I don't like what Kean is trying to do.

Everyone likes the idea of flowing possession football in an ideal world, but the last ten seasons of Premier League football have shown that its just not sustainable on a net negative/zero transfer budget.

That's his first tactical failing.

[JAL]

How bad would Kean look if he didnt have Olsson and Hoilet in his team ?

For all of Kean signings since he was made up, for me, the standard of these players have been far too low for Rovers to progress to the dizzy heights that he and the owners wish for, far too low.

[Moppy]

How bad would Kean look if he didnt have Olsson and Hoilet in his team ?

How bad does the team look with them in!

I've had enough of SK now - ill be joining in with any Kean out songs on Saturday - even if its during the game. He needs to go, simples - everything else is secondary as we WILL get relegated with him in charge.

[Mercer]

How bad would Kean look if he didnt have Olsson and Hoilet in his team ?

For all of Kean signings since he was made up, for me, the standard of these players have been far too low for Rovers to progress to the dizzy heights that he and the owners wish for, far too low.

Agree - last season, Sam's results kept us up and it's Sam's players that are keeping us in the picture.

Kean's signings, other than JJ in the last six matches of last season, have simply not made an impact.

Potential is fine in one or two players but ffs, we should be signing players to make an impact now. IMO:

RSC - expensive disaster

JJ - key in last six games of last season

Formica (Bastitua) - £3.5m plus likely huge agents' fees - no pace and yet to deliver or convince

Rochina - lad has a chance but a long way to go; have said all along, just where will he fit-in without upsetting team's balance

Myles Anderson (Smalling) - a huge joker in the pack. Firmly believe that not one other club in the entire Football League would touch this, IMO, stump

Ribeiro (Irwin) - wtf is he doing at our club, if like Dennis Irwin should be our regular rb

Petro - turns like an oil tanker and similar to one, a disaster waiting to happen

Simon - with his experience, if good enough would be in

Goodwillie (Rooney) - Brighton's Mackail-Smith rated above him by Scotland

Dann - decent but Newcastle performance raises question marks - 6 PL goals conceded in 2 last PL games, Hmmm

Yak - can finish but as Robbie Savage said before Yak kicked a ball, likely to score two in his first match (which he did) and then disappear

As for agreeing to let EHD & Emo leave, we are crying out for experience, nous and fight.

Well done Kean.

[Roost]

He will spin this in such a way to make it sound to Venkys like we are just 'one win off 10th'

... and whilst he has the ability to put his spin on any result, he will easily convince our naive owners that he is the man for the job.