[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[USABlue]

He's still here then?

[Give 'Em the Axe]

We've been generally wretched since SK took over. He's had more than enough time to impose his style on the team,but Arsenal thrill ride excluded,we've looked arguably worse this season than last.

The Man City game should be a write off, they've got a ridiculous amount of quality in their squad. What worries me more, is the next fixture away at QPR. I saw them play Villa on Sunday. The way Villa had to dig in and scrap for just a point just seems beyond us at thismoment in time.

The grit and organisation that we had under Hughes and Allardyce seems long gone. I'm all for a bit of tippy tappy,really.But if it can't be melded with an iron core, then yr asking for trouble.

I don't want to be drawn into the whole 'Kean is a boogey man' culture of the boards (I don't have to spend time with the man,so I really don't care about his personality,good,bad or somewhere between) but in simple football terms his record is undeniably appalling.

Another concern I have, is that if we do get rid, who on earth is going to want the job! A reputation takes a long time to build but can be destroyed in a flash. For right or for wrong,the standing of BRFC in the football world would appear to be at a low.

Fingers, toes and whatever else crossed that we'll turn it around (with or without SK) but I feel if changes are to be made,they need to be swift and effective.

[yoda]

We've been generally wretched since SK took over. He's had more than enough time to impose his style on the team,but Arsenal thrill ride excluded,we've looked arguably worse this season than last.

The Man City game should be a write off, they've got a ridiculous amount of quality in their squad. What worries me more, is the next fixture away at QPR. I saw them play Villa on Sunday. The way Villa had to dig in and scrap for just a point just seems beyond us at thismoment in time.

The grit and organisation that we had under Hughes and Allardyce seems long gone. I'm all for a bit of tippy tappy,really.But if it can't be melded with an iron core, then yr asking for trouble.

I don't want to be drawn into the whole 'Kean is a boogey man' culture of the boards (I don't have to spend time with the man,so I really don't care about his personality,good,bad or somewhere between) but in simple football terms his record is undeniably appalling.

Another concern I have, is that if we do get rid, who on earth is going to want the job! A reputation takes a long time to build but can be destroyed in a flash. For right or for wrong,the standing of BRFC in the football world would appear to be at a low.

Fingers, toes and whatever else crossed that we'll turn it around (with or without SK) but I feel if changes are to be made,they need to be swift and effective.

Did you not read Glenn's post above

[Ralfinho]

We've been generally wretched since SK took over. He's had more than enough time to impose his style on the team,but Arsenal thrill ride excluded,we've looked arguably worse this season than last.

The Man City game should be a write off, they've got a ridiculous amount of quality in their squad. What worries me more, is the next fixture away at QPR. I saw them play Villa on Sunday. The way Villa had to dig in and scrap for just a point just seems beyond us at thismoment in time.

The grit and organisation that we had under Hughes and Allardyce seems long gone. I'm all for a bit of tippy tappy,really.But if it can't be melded with an iron core, then yr asking for trouble.

I don't want to be drawn into the whole 'Kean is a boogey man' culture of the boards (I don't have to spend time with the man,so I really don't care about his personality,good,bad or somewhere between) but in simple football terms his record is undeniably appalling.

Another concern I have, is that if we do get rid, who on earth is going to want the job! A reputation takes a long time to build but can be destroyed in a flash. For right or for wrong,the standing of BRFC in the football world would appear to be at a low.

Fingers, toes and whatever else crossed that we'll turn it around (with or without SK) but I feel if changes are to be made,they need to be swift and effective.

As much as I dont like him, I would have Warnock from QPR. He doesnt take any sh1t from players and would rollock them if they are not performing.

[Veevs]

Suprised no one mentioned Norwich.. I said before the season started they may be a bit of a suprise.. already double the points we have and doing ok.. Lambert for me is a very exceptional manager but would never come to little old Rovers.

I do hope we don't bottle it on Sat and the crowds act as one in getting rid of Kean, the comparison of how players at the likes of QPR and Norwich play together, are organised and have passion puts us to shame.

Whoever said arguably we are playing worse than last season is IMO wrong.. we are playing worse without a doubt, even less cover on the wings and without PJ and JJ our midfield is nigh on non existant.

[Mattyblue]

Dalglish?

Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan, Greame Souness, Walter Smith?

Of course, there are lots of examples, but should clubs like ours, with our resources be taking such risks? When it has failed time and time again for us in the past?

[tony gale's mic]

Tony Diamond still supports the sacking of Sam, compared the hiring of Kean to the hiring of Dalglish, and thinks Kean should still get more time.

I think we can discard his views on football.

[matty1875]

Anyone who thinks Steve Kean should be given more time fall into three categories . They won't admit they was wrong, so are voting for him to stay, Or They seriously know nothing about football, or they don't really care.

That statement is complete rubbish and very short sighted. I have voted to give him more time, the reason being is that I believe that every manager regardless of how poor they are should be given a certain amount of time at the start of the season (Usually I would say at least 12 games, but given his performance last season and his lack of expereince it should be less). Sacking a manager after 4 games is a joke, however he can't put a string of results to get his season going which is a massive worry. I stated before the Arsenal game he should have up to the Man City game to save his skin. If we are in the bottom 3 by 5pm on Saturday then he needs to go and I will change my vote. People who wanted him out at the start of the season because of Kean the devil, the Venkeys yes man, the drink driver, the back stabber (Before you say results it would have been 2 wins in 14, which is the same run as one of other previous managers who did pretty well in the end).....I would want him out based on football decisions this season, and that time comes after the City match as we then have an international break to get in a new manager. However I consider that I know a lot about football, I am not wrong as I have given reason's why I want to give him more time and I certainly do care. Don't paint this picture that the "Pro Kean people" don't care, have no football knowledge or were wrong. I have supported Rovers since I was born, travelled all over the country and in Europe to follow them and travel 50 miles every other week to attend out home games so I want the best for Rovers and will be getting behind the team on Saturday, praying that we some how win, not for Kean but for Blackburn Rovers.

[tony gale's mic]

That statement is complete rubbish and very short sighted. I have voted to give him more time, the reason being is that I believe that every manager regardless of how poor they are should be given a certain amount of time at the start of the season (Usually I would say at least 12 games, but given his performance last season and his lack of expereince it should be less). Sacking a manager after 4 games is a joke, however he can't put a string of results to get his season going which is a massive worry. I stated before the Arsenal game he should have up to the Man City game to save his skin. If we are in the bottom 3 by 5pm on Saturday then he needs to go and I will change my vote. People who wanted him out at the start of the season because of Kean the devil, the Venkeys yes man, the drink driver, the back stabber (Before you say results it would have been 2 wins in 14, which is the same run as one of other previous managers who did pretty well in the end).....I would want him out based on football decisions this season, and that time comes after the City match as we then have an international break to get in a new manager. However I consider that I know a lot about football, I am not wrong as I have given reason's why I want to give him more time and I certainly do care. Don't paint this picture that the "Pro Kean people" don't care, have no football knowledge or were wrong. I have supported Rovers since I was born, travelled all over the country and in Europe to follow them and travel 50 miles every other week to attend out home games so I want the best for Rovers and will be getting behind the team on Saturday, praying that we some how win, not for Kean but for Blackburn Rovers.

Yeah, you do fall into one of Glen's three categories. You seriously know nothing about football.

It's not after 4 games. It's after TWENTY SIX games. How many times we are going to hammer this into some people's heads?

People who wanted him out at the start of the season mainly wanted him out because of results.

Irrevelant what sort of poor form other managers might have had, fact is they had a great record to prove they were more than capable of managing well and they were just going through a rough patch, and had plenty of experience to draw upon to get them out of it.

It's the same reason why Arsenal didn't sack Wenger despite the fact that after the Rovers game he'd got 16 points in 16 games.

The fact you've watched so much of Rovers doesn't prove you know very much about football, it just makes it more shocking you have such little insight into things.

[matty1875]

Yeah, you do fall into one of Glen's three categories. You seriously know nothing about football.

It's not after 4 games. It's after TWENTY SIX games. How many times we are going to hammer this into some people's heads?

People who wanted him out at the start of the season mainly wanted him out because of results.

Your post is laughable, is beyond belief and reasoning. Can you please give me evidence that I know nothing about football rather than this 26 games view? Don’t get angry at somebody who has a different view than you, I accept your 26 game view, that’s your opinion but I don’t agree with that. It doesn’t mean that I know more or less about football, we probably have the same insight, understand how football works but you have obviously become emotionally involved in other external issues to cloud your judgement and start having a pop at me.

My view is that he did poor last season, had some good games but had some shocking games however every manager deserves a chance to stamp their authority on the on the team, change the style of play etc and see if works. That’s why he was deserving of at least 7 games this season in my view, full pre season etc. There were not a lot of Kean out shouts after the Wolves game.

Should he have got the job in the first place?? Should we have sacked Sam?? I would answer no to both of these. It is the fault of Venky’s poor management, creating complete unrest behind the scenes and in my opinion it was their actions that nearly got us relegated not Steve Kean’s. (Most new managers would have struggled, however Kean should was not the right man at that time to manage us last season through that kind of turmoil and should not have been put in that position) He pulled through at the end of the season, with 8 points from 4 games which gave him in some breathing space and at least a chance to have a shot at making it at this season.

So far a lot of his tactics have let him down, lack of pressing, no protection to the full backs etc. However I think he should be given a 5th of the season, which is a lot less than most manager’s and then be judged. Unfortunately for Kean he needs a result at City, let’s just get behind the team and hope we can somehow beat City. If not then he has to go simple as that as he will have been given enough time THIS SEASON!!

[yoda]

Your post is laughable, is beyond belief and reasoning. Can you please give me evidence that I know nothing about football rather than this 26 games view? Don't get angry at somebody who has a different view than you, I accept your 26 game view, that's your opinion but I don't agree with that. It doesn't mean that I know more or less about football, we probably have the same insight, understand how football works but you have obviously become emotionally involved in other external issues to cloud your judgement and start having a pop at me.

My view is that he did poor last season, had some good games but had some shocking games however every manager deserves a chance to stamp their authority on the on the team, change the style of play etc and see if works. That's why he was deserving of at least 7 games this season in my view, full pre season etc. There were not a lot of Kean out shouts after the Wolves game.

Should he have got the job in the first place?? Should we have sacked Sam?? I would answer no to both of these. It is the fault of Venky's poor management, creating complete unrest behind the scenes and in my opinion it was their actions that nearly got us relegated not Steve Kean's. (Most new managers would have struggled, however Kean should was not the right man at that time to manage us last season through that kind of turmoil and should not have been put in that position) He pulled through at the end of the season, with 8 points from 4 games which gave him in some breathing space and at least a chance to have a shot at making it at this season.

So far a lot of his tactics have let him down, lack of pressing, no protection to the full backs etc. However I think he should be given a 5th of the season, which is a lot less than most manager's and then be judged. Unfortunately for Kean he needs a result at City, let's just get behind the team and hope we can somehow beat City. If not then he has to go simple as that as he will have been given enough time THIS SEASON!!

f**k THIS SEASON, look at his record, we have gone from comfortable mid table to the hottest relegation favorites in years under his watch.

how can you say that he should not have got the job In the 1st place and then say he should be given more time,

ABSOLUTLY UNF**KING BELIVEABLE,

as for tactics, worse than Jim Iley

[tony gale's mic]

Your post is laughable, is beyond belief and reasoning. Can you please give me evidence that I know nothing about football rather than this 26 games view? Don’t get angry at somebody who has a different view than you, I accept your 26 game view, that’s your opinion but I don’t agree with that. It doesn’t mean that I know more or less about football, we probably have the same insight, understand how football works but you have obviously become emotionally involved in other external issues to cloud your judgement and start having a pop at me.

My view is that he did poor last season, had some good games but had some shocking games however every manager deserves a chance to stamp their authority on the on the team, change the style of play etc and see if works. That’s why he was deserving of at least 7 games this season in my view, full pre season etc. There were not a lot of Kean out shouts after the Wolves game.

Should he have got the job in the first place?? Should we have sacked Sam?? I would answer no to both of these. It is the fault of Venky’s poor management, creating complete unrest behind the scenes and in my opinion it was their actions that nearly got us relegated not Steve Kean’s. (Most new managers would have struggled, however Kean should was not the right man at that time to manage us last season through that kind of turmoil and should not have been put in that position) He pulled through at the end of the season, with 8 points from 4 games which gave him in some breathing space and at least a chance to have a shot at making it at this season.

So far a lot of his tactics have let him down, lack of pressing, no protection to the full backs etc. However I think he should be given a 5th of the season, which is a lot less than most manager’s and then be judged. Unfortunately for Kean he needs a result at City, let’s just get behind the team and hope we can somehow beat City. If not then he has to go simple as that as he will have been given enough time THIS SEASON!!

I'm letting emotion cloud my judgement? The fact you think that someone who wants Kean removed after such a record of failure has "clouded judgement" speaks volumes.

Kean didn't deserve the job in the first place. He didn't merit the job in the first place. He should never have been appointed. That at least we agree on.

Last season he didn't have "some good games and some shocking games". He had a few good games and lots of bad games.

If he didn't deserve the job in the first place (which we're agreed on), why does it then follow that he deserves a chance of another season in spite of half a season of failure? Surely another manager who does deserve the job and doesn't have solely failure on his record deserves that chance more than Kean does? Surely his inevitable successor deserves better than to pick up the pieces of the mess, and have to get results with someone else's signings? Your point is utterly devoid of logic. By giving Kean the chance over summer, you're denying our next manager that chance. We're not a bleeding charity FFS.

He inherited a team which had averaged top 10 form for the last two years. It had achieved plenty. What's more, Kean was privy to the methods which had got them there since he was part of the setup. He was given, by Rovers standards, a good amount to spend in the January window on both loan wages and transfers. Sam's sacking was the biggest off the field turmoil we had after Venky's took over up until the summer. What other turmoil did Kean have to deal with? The main turmoil upto summer after his appointment was down to the results on the pitch. Which were down to his ###### poor management.

What would the City game even prove? If we lose it proves very little IMO, I think Hughes and Sam's teams would have every chance of getting tanked too. And if we somehow fluke a win like against Arsenal? It still means little in the context of his overall record. I'll be expecting another diabolical performance like against Newcastle next time out. Blackpool beats lots of top teams but still went down.

The more fans support him staying in a job, the more Kean can peddle his 1% line to the owners.

If you're a Rovers fan who wants to give Kean more time, right now you're frankly part of the problem.

[Andy]

If you're a Rovers fan who wants to give Kean more time, right now you're frankly part of the problem.

[Kennys Magic Hat]

Tony Gales mic and yoda - you're actually not even reading matty1875's points and letting your own opinions get in the way of respecting his point of view!

Forget last season its over with, the facts are that Venkys have kept him in charge, gave him a full pre-season, gave him money to spend in the transfer window and create his own team so to sack him after 4 games of all this (or 2 games after the transfer window shut) which you all wanted to, would be absolutely ridiculous.

We won against Arsenal wih a DESERVED victory as we blitzed Arsenal at the start of the second half and put 3 goals past them before they even realised what was happening! We won because we scored more goals than them which is all that matters!

Yes he inherited a squad which had shown midtable form but only because we had a manager in Big Sam that killed the life out of every game we played in with his play the percentages style in order to get results. Also a manager who effectively threw games against the big teams so the team was fresh for the games we had a chance of winning. We hardly had a top 10 squad in terms of playing talent and money spent.

Yes Keans overall record is relegation form and yes he shouldnt have been given the managers job in the first place, we should have sacked Sam and got a big name experienced manager in to replace him but Venkys didn't do this so there's no point looking to the past. We are 6 games into a season with Steve Kean as manager and there's no getting around this fact.

As I've stated previously 6 games is not enough to judge a manager IN ONE SEASON and I believe Kean should get the next 4 games in charge to save his job. The City and Spurs games are unlikely to be won but will show a great deal about the character of the team. The away games at QPR and Norwich we'll need at least 4 points from to prove we can stay in this league. Venkys should be drawing up a list of potential replacements as we speak and Kean should be sacked if the results and performances in these 4 games continue to be below the required level.

[SergioPeter89]

We won against Arsenal wih a DESERVED victory as we blitzed Arsenal at the start of the second half and put 3 goals past them before they even realised what was happening! We won because we scored more goals than them which is all that matters!

We were incredible lucky to win. We had 3 shots on target I believe, but we managed to score 4 goals, where one of them was offside, and two of them were own goals.

Arsenal had a large amount of chances.

To say that it was an deserved victory, would be like saying that Evertons victory at Ewood this season was deserved.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Forget last season its over with, the facts are that Venkys have kept him in charge, gave him a full pre-season, gave him money to spend in the transfer window and create his own team so to sack him after 4 games of all this (or 2 games after the transfer window shut) which you all wanted to, would be absolutely ridiculous.

He's showing the same sort of managerial form he had last season, if you translate that over the course of a season Rovers will very likely go down.

We won against Arsenal wih a DESERVED victory as we blitzed Arsenal at the start of the second half and put 3 goals past them before they even realised what was happening! We won because we scored more goals than them which is all that matters!

It really wasn't a deserved victory. We were battered in the first half then Arsenal gifted us 2 own goals in the second half. Rovers were then hanging on for the rest of the game.

Yes Keans overall record is relegation form and yes he shouldnt have been given the managers job in the first place, we should have sacked Sam and got a big name experienced manager in to replace him but Venkys didn't do this so there's no point looking to the past. We are 6 games into a season with Steve Kean as manager and there's no getting around this fact.

As I've stated previously 6 games is not enough to judge a manager IN ONE SEASON and I believe Kean should get the next 4 games in charge to save his job. The City and Spurs games are unlikely to be won but will show a great deal about the character of the team. The away games at QPR and Norwich we'll need at least 4 points from to prove we can stay in this league. Venkys should be drawing up a list of potential replacements as we speak and Kean should be sacked if the results and performances in these 4 games continue to be below the required level.

The longer he stays in the job the harder it will be for the next manager to come in and try and keep us up. Sack him after the City game and that gives us the international break to get a proper manager in. We've seen enough to know he is a rubbish manager, he's had plenty of time and he doesn't need another 4 games to try and relegate us.

[47er]

Tony Gales mic and yoda - you're actually not even reading matty1875's points and letting your own opinions get in the way of respecting his point of view!

Forget last season its over with, the facts are that Venkys have kept him in charge, gave him a full pre-season, gave him money to spend in the transfer window and create his own team so to sack him after 4 games of all this (or 2 games after the transfer window shut) which you all wanted to, would be absolutely ridiculous.

We won against Arsenal wih a DESERVED victory as we blitzed Arsenal at the start of the second half and put 3 goals past them before they even realised what was happening! We won because we scored more goals than them which is all that matters!

Yes he inherited a squad which had shown midtable form but only because we had a manager in Big Sam that killed the life out of every game we played in with his play the percentages style in order to get results. Also a manager who effectively threw games against the big teams so the team was fresh for the games we had a chance of winning. We hardly had a top 10 squad in terms of playing talent and money spent.

Yes Keans overall record is relegation form and yes he shouldnt have been given the managers job in the first place, we should have sacked Sam and got a big name experienced manager in to replace him but Venkys didn't do this so there's no point looking to the past. We are 6 games into a season with Steve Kean as manager and there's no getting around this fact.

As I've stated previously 6 games is not enough to judge a manager IN ONE SEASON and I believe Kean should get the next 4 games in charge to save his job. The City and Spurs games are unlikely to be won but will show a great deal about the character of the team. The away games at QPR and Norwich we'll need at least 4 points from to prove we can stay in this league. Venkys should be drawing up a list of potential replacements as we speak and Kean should be sacked if the results and performances in these 4 games continue to be below the required level.

6 games is not enough to judge a manager but 27 is. You want to wait another 4 games and if we get 4 points you'd keep him on! That would be 8 points from 10 games! In case you hadn't noticed that's nailed-on relegation form.It would also be 30 points from 31 games and would simply reinforce his awful stats.

I haven't forgotten last season--why should I? Because the facts of last season don't suit you?

And for the record-----we should not have sacked Sam, he did not kill the life out of every game we played in, in fact most of his games were much more enjoyable than last week's!

[tony gale's mic]

Tony Gales mic and yoda - you're actually not even reading matty1875's points and letting your own opinions get in the way of respecting his point of view!

Forget last season its over with, the facts are that Venkys have kept him in charge, gave him a full pre-season, gave him money to spend in the transfer window and create his own team so to sack him after 4 games of all this (or 2 games after the transfer window shut) which you all wanted to, would be absolutely ridiculous.

We won against Arsenal wih a DESERVED victory as we blitzed Arsenal at the start of the second half and put 3 goals past them before they even realised what was happening! We won because we scored more goals than them which is all that matters!

Yes he inherited a squad which had shown midtable form but only because we had a manager in Big Sam that killed the life out of every game we played in with his play the percentages style in order to get results. Also a manager who effectively threw games against the big teams so the team was fresh for the games we had a chance of winning. We hardly had a top 10 squad in terms of playing talent and money spent.

Yes Keans overall record is relegation form and yes he shouldnt have been given the managers job in the first place, we should have sacked Sam and got a big name experienced manager in to replace him but Venkys didn't do this so there's no point looking to the past. We are 6 games into a season with Steve Kean as manager and there's no getting around this fact.

As I've stated previously 6 games is not enough to judge a manager IN ONE SEASON and I believe Kean should get the next 4 games in charge to save his job. The City and Spurs games are unlikely to be won but will show a great deal about the character of the team. The away games at QPR and Norwich we'll need at least 4 points from to prove we can stay in this league. Venkys should be drawing up a list of potential replacements as we speak and Kean should be sacked if the results and performances in these 4 games continue to be below the required level.

You're part of the problem too.

I read all of his points. They were awful, and showed a lack of insight into football, a lack of logic, a lack of sense. Just like yours.

The previous season can't just be forgotten though, can it? Previous record is a MASSIVE factor when it comes to judging a managers poor form. It provides an invaluable indicator as to whether this is poor form. I've already said this coming bit, but let me guess, you didn't bother reading it?

Like I said, Wenger didn't get sacked despite getting 16 points from 16 games because of his previous record. Sam quite rightly didn't get sacked after the poor run he had, because of his previous record. We all knew they both had it in them to turn it round (though whether Wenger will or not remains to be seen). So no, to totally forget the previous season goes against all footballing logic, and goes against what most clubs would rationally do.

As has been said already, the Arsenal win was as undeserved as the Everton loss. They actually put the ball in the net more times than we did.

We had a team which was top ten. In terms of results. Over two years. The methods Sam used to achieve that wre entirely justified - no club has had sustained top half success on a budget in the last ten or so years WITHOUT playing unattractive football.

I'm embarassed you support the same team as me.

[RibbleValleyRover]

And for the record-----we should not have sacked Sam, he did not kill the life out of every game we played in, in fact most of his games were much more enjoyable than last week's!

With hindsight that has proven to be the case, but if Venky's had brought in a proper manager at the time and Rovers had done well under this new manager then it would be a case of 'Sam who?'

Sacking Sam was a mistake but it was a bigger mistake giving Kean the job.

[glen9mullan]

Im glad Kenny's Magic Hat and Matty1875, have posted why they think he should be given more time. I don't agree with their opinion but respect that they have quantified their reasons behind their vote.

Nothing more to add really.

[yoda]

Tony Gales mic and yoda - you're actually not even reading matty1875's points and letting your own opinions get in the way of respecting his point of view!

Forget last season its over with, the facts are that Venkys have kept him in charge, gave him a full pre-season, gave him money to spend in the transfer window and create his own team so to sack him after 4 games of all this (or 2 games after the transfer window shut) which you all wanted to, would be absolutely ridiculous.

We won against Arsenal wih a DESERVED victory as we blitzed Arsenal at the start of the second half and put 3 goals past them before they even realised what was happening! We won because we scored more goals than them which is all that matters!

Yes he inherited a squad which had shown midtable form but only because we had a manager in Big Sam that killed the life out of every game we played in with his play the percentages style in order to get results. Also a manager who effectively threw games against the big teams so the team was fresh for the games we had a chance of winning. We hardly had a top 10 squad in terms of playing talent and money spent.

Yes Keans overall record is relegation form and yes he shouldnt have been given the managers job in the first place, we should have sacked Sam and got a big name experienced manager in to replace him but Venkys didn't do this so there's no point looking to the past. We are 6 games into a season with Steve Kean as manager and there's no getting around this fact.

As I've stated previously 6 games is not enough to judge a manager IN ONE SEASON and I believe Kean should get the next 4 games in charge to save his job. The City and Spurs games are unlikely to be won but will show a great deal about the character of the team. The away games at QPR and Norwich we'll need at least 4 points from to prove we can stay in this league. Venkys should be drawing up a list of potential replacements as we speak and Kean should be sacked if the results and performances in these 4 games continue to be below the required level.

Not reading his points ha ha,

points are what will keep us in the PL, with Kean we are still on a downward trend,

TGM is right to say you are part of the problem, sitting on your hands and expecting the situation to some how right itself, there is no evidence to show this will come about, as for the Asenal game , Arsenal scored 2 of our goals for us and looked like they were going to finish us of any time in the last 20 minutes,

The SALIENT points are Keans record (total) our league position and the perception from the vast majority of experienced football experts that we are well and truly stuffed

[chris]

edit I read something wrong

[Kennys Magic Hat]

You're part of the problem too.

I read all of his points. They were awful, and showed a lack of insight into football, a lack of logic, a lack of sense. Just like yours.

The previous season can't just be forgotten though, can it? Previous record is a MASSIVE factor when it comes to judging a managers poor form. It provides an invaluable indicator as to whether this is poor form. I've already said this coming bit, but let me guess, you didn't bother reading it?

As has been said already, the Arsenal win was as undeserved as the Everton loss. They actually put the ball in the net more times than we did.

I'm embarassed you support the same team as me.

Why the need for insults because I don't completely agree with your point of view?

Like Matty1875 I have supported Rovers since I was born, travelled home and away for over 20 years and had a season ticket since I was 7 so to suggest I have no understanding of football is a joke.

I've not forgotten about last season, that has to be taken into account if/when Kean gets sacked as its terrible. I'm advocating judging Kean after a decent amount of games this season. You may be right in thinking he should be already unemployed now, that's your opinion. Its my opinion that 6 games of one season is not enough.

You can effectively write the City game off as with the depth of their squad they should be murdering all but a select few teams in the Premier League as they showed by beating Spurs 5-1 away. However with their poor result last night away in the Champions League, the Tezez saga and not the most convincing result at home against Everton last week it may be a good time to play them. Always the optimist!

So sorry Tony Gales mick if I don't share your opinion but I'm completely entitled to mine.

Also you bang on about BigSam and what a legend he his but quite frankly the football we played under his tenure was the worst I've ever had to endure watching Blackburn Rovers and I include Kean's reign in that. Also the way he threw games against big opposition such as the 7-1 thrashing against Utd last season made me embarrassed to be a Blackburn fan.

And yes Arsenal did put the ball in the net more than us but unfortunately it wasn't in the right net - and both of those goals were forced from excellent play from us, a fact that most people seem to ignore.

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All Kennys Magic Hat is saying is he would give Kean one more game.

You guys are going a bit over the top with the stick you are gving him.

He right that a new manager would probably gwet 12 games, history proves this, christ Kidd didn't even get sacked after relegation, being that Kean has a poor PL record, he can only have a max of 7 games.

Thats very fair.

Sacking a manager after 7 games IS enough time to turn it around and its probably LESS embarrassing in the football world.

7 games is enough rope for a hanging.

Kean should have been sacked a long term before. And anyway KMH is saying another four games, not another game.

Kidd further backs up our argument, he didnt get sacked after relegation and look at how we started the following season!

And don't really give a toss about how embarassing it is in the football world, look how much credit we got for hiring Ince and how much stick we got for firing Ince. When we start getting results, the football world will soon shutup and quietly admit they were wrong, like they did with Ince.

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We were incredible lucky to win. We had 3 shots on target I believe, but we managed to score 4 goals, where one of them was offside, and two of them were own goals.

Arsenal had a large amount of chances.

To say that it was an deserved victory, would be like saying that Evertons victory at Ewood this season was deserved.

Yes but quotes like this is part of the problem with some of the posters on here.....they say we did not deserve to beat Arsenal because we were lucky and they did not take their chances but then the same posters will then have said for the Everton game that it was our fault because we did not take our chances and were not unlucky as you have to take your chances, so we deserved to get beat.....they spin each game for the agenda to get Kean out and don't give him any credit as their mind was made up the moment we appointed him. You can't have it both ways.