[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[tony gale's mic]

Like Matty1875 I have supported Rovers since I was born, travelled home and away for over 20 years and had a season ticket since I was 7 so to suggest I have no understanding of football is a joke.

So sorry Tony Gales mick if I don't share your opinion but I'm completely entitled to mine.

Also you bang on about BigSam and what a legend he his but quite frankly the football we played under his tenure was the worst I've ever had to endure watching Blackburn Rovers and I include Kean's reign in that. Also the way he threw games against big opposition such as the 7-1 thrashing against Utd last season made me embarrassed to be a Blackburn fan.

And yes Arsenal did put the ball in the net more than us but unfortunately it wasn't in the right net - and both of those goals were forced from excellent play from us, a fact that most people seem to ignore.

It's perfectly possible to go to x hundred Rovers games and still fundamentally not understand the game. You appear to be in that camp.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not telling you not to post it. I'm just giving my opinion on your opinion.

And saying Big Sam's football was worse than Kean's? :lol: Jesus, you have a screw loose mate. We were unbeaten at home against the top 4 in 2009-10. He didn't throw every game against the big teams, did he? When Real Madrid got beaten 5-0 by Barca (a much, much worse result than us losing 7-1 at Utd), was Mourinho throwing that game?

Good football is winning football first and foremost. Everything else comes secondary. That's why attendances this season are down at Ewood.

The second own goal was very good play. The first own goal was a needless free kick given away by Arsenal and a hopeful free kick flighted in. Not what I'd call excellent play. We got lucky for both own goals, but at least for the second own goal we made our luck.

Yes but quotes like this is part of the problem with some of the posters on here.....they say we did not deserve to beat Arsenal because we were lucky and they did not take their chances but then the same posters will then have said for the Everton game that it was our fault because we did not take our chances and were not unlucky as you have to take your chances, so we deserved to get beat.....they spin each game for the agenda to get Kean out and don't give him any credit as their mind was made up the moment we appointed him. You can't have it both ways.

Which posters have claimed that the Arsenal win was lucky but the Everton loss was deserved? I think most people are agreed that the Everton loss was unlucky, but what some people (like you and KMH) have trouble acknowledging is the sheer amount of luck in the Arsenal win. For some reason you're intent on protecting the reputation of one of the worst managers in our history.

[Kennys Magic Hat]

Im glad Kenny's Magic Hat and Matty1875, have posted why they think he should be given more time. I don't agree with their opinion but respect that they have quantified their reasons behind their vote.

Nothing more to add really.

The oracle has spoken. From all the pre-pubescent young males I observed on the youtube footage of the 'march' I'd say you are the Blackburn Rovers supporting equivalent of the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

You obviously represent the majority of the people on this messageboard Glen and I'm glad you respect mine and Matty1875's opinion but I can tell you that you don't represent mine or all of the people who I know personally who also support Rovers opinions.

Nothing more to add really.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Tony Gales mic and yoda - you're actually not even reading matty1875's points and letting your own opinions get in the way of respecting his point of view!

Forget last season its over with, the facts are that Venkys have kept him in charge, gave him a full pre-season, gave him money to spend in the transfer window and create his own team so to sack him after 4 games of all this (or 2 games after the transfer window shut) which you all wanted to, would be absolutely ridiculous.

We won against Arsenal wih a DESERVED victory as we blitzed Arsenal at the start of the second half and put 3 goals past them before they even realised what was happening! We won because we scored more goals than them which is all that matters!

Yes he inherited a squad which had shown midtable form but only because we had a manager in Big Sam that killed the life out of every game we played in with his play the percentages style in order to get results. Also a manager who effectively threw games against the big teams so the team was fresh for the games we had a chance of winning. We hardly had a top 10 squad in terms of playing talent and money spent.

Yes Keans overall record is relegation form and yes he shouldnt have been given the managers job in the first place, we should have sacked Sam and got a big name experienced manager in to replace him but Venkys didn't do this so there's no point looking to the past. We are 6 games into a season with Steve Kean as manager and there's no getting around this fact.

As I've stated previously 6 games is not enough to judge a manager IN ONE SEASON and I believe Kean should get the next 4 games in charge to save his job. The City and Spurs games are unlikely to be won but will show a great deal about the character of the team. The away games at QPR and Norwich we'll need at least 4 points from to prove we can stay in this league. Venkys should be drawing up a list of potential replacements as we speak and Kean should be sacked if the results and performances in these 4 games continue to be below the required level.

Ok Kenny, lets all just conveniently forget about last season if that helps your argument.

We will just focus on this season shall we?

But let us also forget about Wolves, Villa, Everton and Newcastle as well as they don't help your argument.

Let's just focus on the Arsenal win and with that in mind you are quite right.

'Give Kean More Time'.

However, please do not criticise those that can remember last season, can remember all the spin and lies and deceit, can remember very poor performances this season, can identify the poor quality signings made, can remember the lack of clean sheets obtained, can remember all the dropped points against teams below us in the table, have noticed we only avoided relegation on the last day, have seen us in the bottom three this time round and have noted the fact we have not improved in anyway shape or form since Kean took over.

Deal?

[Gav]

The oracle has spoken. From all the pre-pubescent young males I observed on the youtube footage of the 'march' I'd say you are the Blackburn Rovers supporting equivalent of the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

You obviously represent the majority of the people on this messageboard Glen and I'm glad you respect mine and Matty1875's opinion but I can tell you that you don't represent mine or all of the people who I know personally who also support Rovers opinions.

Nothing more to add really.

Your opinions are very valid and welcome on here, but you’ll have to understand that some people are incapable of accepting alternative view points, its extremely sad and immature I know, hopefully they’ll grow out of it sooner rather than later

[chris]

Kean should have been sacked a long term before. And anyway KMH is saying another four games, not another game.

Kidd further backs up our argument, he didnt get sacked after relegation and look at how we started the following season!

And don't really give a toss about how embarassing it is in the football world, look how much credit we got for hiring Ince and how much stick we got for firing Ince. When we start getting results, the football world will soon shutup and quietly admit they were wrong, like they did with Ince.

Kean was not sacked in the summer when he should have been I agree, then he was given a full pre-season and money to spend.

That qualifies for more then four games, I think 7 is fair, a new manager would have got 10, before the season I said ok this is his team now, I'll give him 10 games, but I have shorted that.

What I found a disgrace is that we went into the first game of the we had no decent CB and Kean said we were in negotiation for weeks before and it turned out we were in negotiations with a player earning £700 a week and a transfer fee of only 1 million. This REALLY needed to take so long.

But Kean still had this as an excuse to the owners and media which bought time.

Being that Kean started the season, bought his own players, had a decent pre-season, when should he have been sacked realistically? Before the start of the season is not an answer available.

I thought Arsenal was realistic if we had lost badly and Man City is realistic only if we lose

[onlyonejackwalker]

Your opinions are very valid and welcome on here, but you’ll have to understand that some people are incapable of accepting alternative view points, its extremely sad and immature I know, hopefully they’ll grow out of it sooner rather than later

Glen's post was very polite and was returned with 'The Oracle has spoken', which someone as grown up as you Gav should have found very childish, not the polite response from Glen.

[chris]

Glen's post was very polite and was returned with 'The Oracle has spoken', which someone as grown up as you Gav should have found very childish, not the polite response from Glen.

I'm going for the long shot and will say he might have been talking about other people

[Kennys Magic Hat]

Ok Kenny, lets all just conveniently forget about last season if that helps your argument.

We will just focus on this season shall we?

But let us also forget about Wolves, Villa, Everton and Newcastle as well as they don't help your argument.

Let's just focus on the Arsenal win and with that in mind you are quite right.

'Give Kean More Time'.

However, please do not criticise those that can remember last season, can remember all the spin and lies and deceit, can remember very poor performances this season, can identify the poor quality signings made, can remember the lack of clean sheets obtained, can remember all the dropped points against teams below us in the table, have noticed we only avoided relegation on the last day, have seen us in the bottom three this time round and have noted the fact we have not improved in anyway shape or form since Kean took over.

Deal?

I didn't once criticise any opinions, everyone is entitled to theirs I am just stating mine.

I take into account last season, of course I do because it adds to his overall record but I am judging him on this season as these reuslts are the only ones that count towards our position in the league table. 6 games is not enough FOR ME.

I too am massively frustrated by Steve Kean and no one was more dismayed by the Newcastle result and performance than me. Obviously that's not been the only bad performance this season but I was in favour of giving Kean more time before and after the Arsenal game so why would I change my mind after 1 further game. That would just make me fickle and that I am not!

[sijoco]

The oracle has spoken. From all the pre-pubescent young males I observed on the youtube footage of the 'march' I'd say you are the Blackburn Rovers supporting equivalent of the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

You obviously represent the majority of the people on this messageboard Glen and I'm glad you respect mine and Matty1875's opinion but I can tell you that you don't represent mine or all of the people who I know personally who also support Rovers opinions.

Nothing more to add really.

l was on the march, l'm 37, far from pre-pubescent. I went because i wanted my voice heard not because someone l've never met organised it or because l want to follow someone. You're now beginning to throw insults about because you're starting to realise you're trying to defend the undefendable.

[onlyonejackwalker]

I didn't once criticise any opinions, everyone is entitled to theirs I am just stating mine.

I take into account last season, of course I do because it adds to his overall record but I am judging him on this season as these reuslts are the only ones that count towards our position in the league table. 6 games is not enough FOR ME.

I too am massively frustrated by Steve Kean and no one was more dismayed by the Newcastle result and performance than me. Obviously that's not been the only bad performance this season but I was in favour of giving Kean more time before and after the Arsenal game so why would I change my mind after 1 further game. That would just make me fickle and that I am not!

"Tony Gales mic and yoda - you're actually not even reading matty1875's points and letting your own opinions get in the way of respecting his point of view."

Sorry I mistakenly believed the above comment to be a criticism when you said others were not even reading comments (ie ill informed) and letting their own opinions prevent them from respecting anothers point of view (ie narrow minded).

[chris]

I didn't once criticise any opinions, everyone is entitled to theirs I am just stating mine.

I take into account last season, of course I do because it adds to his overall record but I am judging him on this season as these reuslts are the only ones that count towards our position in the league table. 6 games is not enough FOR ME.

I too am massively frustrated by Steve Kean and no one was more dismayed by the Newcastle result and performance than me. Obviously that's not been the only bad performance this season but I was in favour of giving Kean more time before and after the Arsenal game so why would I change my mind after 1 further game. That would just make me fickle and that I am not!

did you see the Newcastle game?, I thought that might have forced your hand to say Man City might push it over the edge.

Newcastle just couldn't have been worse in terms of performance.

Anyone remember saying "I hope Petrovic signs before the first game because he looks brilliant on youtube and Zac's reports".

Now when I watch him I feel like I'm back in the the cinema watching The Titantic.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Not sure why I even bother replying on the Steve Kean thread's. There is nothing really left to say about him, other than 'see you later'.

Is there a worse manager in the Premier League?

No.

What more is there to say?

[matty1875]

You're part of the problem too.

I read all of his points. They were awful, and showed a lack of insight into football, a lack of logic, a lack of sense. Just like yours.

The previous season can't just be forgotten though, can it? Previous record is a MASSIVE factor when it comes to judging a managers poor form. It provides an invaluable indicator as to whether this is poor form. I've already said this coming bit, but let me guess, you didn't bother reading it?

Like I said, Wenger didn't get sacked despite getting 16 points from 16 games because of his previous record. Sam quite rightly didn't get sacked after the poor run he had, because of his previous record. We all knew they both had it in them to turn it round (though whether Wenger will or not remains to be seen). So no, to totally forget the previous season goes against all footballing logic, and goes against what most clubs would rationally do.

As has been said already, the Arsenal win was as undeserved as the Everton loss. They actually put the ball in the net more times than we did.

We had a team which was top ten. In terms of results. Over two years. The methods Sam used to achieve that wre entirely justified - no club has had sustained top half success on a budget in the last ten or so years WITHOUT playing unattractive football.

I'm embarassed you support the same team as me.

Tony Gale's Mic you are sounding very like a bitter and angry man, has something happened earlier in life to make you this way? There is no need to go slagging off and personally insulting fellow Rovers fans, everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially when they back it up with tangible things to back their argument. To personally insult a fellow Rovers fan for having an opinion is bit cheap and shows a lack of intelligence on your part.

I respect your opinion, yes his record is poor but I do think a lot of your hatred towards Kean is because you don't like the way Steve Kean got the job, because he is the Venky's yes man and then you try to drag up everything else behind the scenes to create an evil monster that is Steve Kean.....the Yorkshire Ripper probably got less grief than some Rovers fans give Kean.

I am all about results this season, he deserves the next match, if he loses he is out, we move on and Venky's make sure they appoint the right man during the international break. (Which I worry they will not) I have not once said I believe that Kean is the right man to take Rovers forward, but everyone deserves some sort of chance. Last season saw the biggest upheaval in Rovers recent history, takeover, Williams going, stupid talk of Beckham etc, Samba unrest and wanting to go, the sale of our best young player, the promise of £20 million kitty then nothing. Kean has taken the brunt of the blame for things out his control.

[chris]

I respect your opinion, yes his record is poor but I do think a lot of your hatred towards Kean is because you don't like the way Steve Kean got the job, because he is the Venky's yes man and then you try to drag up everything else behind the scenes to create an evil monster that is Steve Kean.....the Yorkshire Ripper probably got less grief than some Rovers fans give Kean.

Didn't someone cut out his eye in prison, I know he's blind in one eye now.

[tony gale's mic]

Your opinions are very valid and welcome on here, but you’ll have to understand that some people are incapable of accepting alternative view points, its extremely sad and immature I know, hopefully they’ll grow out of it sooner rather than later

I don't accept alternative viewpoints which IMO are potentially damaging to our club.

I've said already that our manager is currently in a job because he's managed to fool the owners that most of the supporters are behind him and don't want him removed.

So when we have a few supporters that ARE actually still behind him, it adds weight to those false claims, helps to keep him in a job and we spend longer with a total buffoon in charge.

I think your refusal to accept you've been wrong about most things Blackburn Rovers related over the last couple of years (though at least now you've finally reached the page the rest of us have been on for a while) is sad and immature, but hey ho.

[1864roverite]

There are clearly some very divided opinions from some of our members on this board, it makes for interesting reading (apart from the childish snipes).

My view, and it is now a non jet lagged view, is that Rovers just seem bereft of ideas on the pitch and this is simply down to the players put onto that pitch to perform. Kean, and I am not a supporter of his, does not appear to know to set the team up either that or the team completely do not understand his instructions.

I have sat through MOTD and Footie First and listened to the so called experts panel. I have read almost every report on the game that has been available and I have also spent time on NUFC websites.

Rovers were very poorly set up, they didnt have a game plan and the players were so far divided it was unbelievable. The look on Keans face as the camera panned on him proved that he simply had not got a clue how to combat what I thought was a poor Newcastle team. The defence is wide open and it is very clear that the only reason for this is SALGADO. He is so far out of the pace of the game that he draws the central defenders towards himself as they have to combat his lack of speed and height which leaves the other CD completely stranded. If we can see this then why cant KEAN ? Look at all the goals we have shipped and 80% are down to mistakes on the right side of our team.

Whatever midfield set up he sent out baffled me. I took several looks at how they were set up against NUFC and they were nothing more than a rabble of pub footballers. I would love to have heard his own explanation on that one.

Up front there was clearly never going to be any service to the front men because of the lack of a set up in midfield.

That shows me that the game was never planned for in a tactical sense. It boils down to a lack of planning, lack of thought, tactical ineptness and a lack of basic footballing knowledge and all down to KEAN.

Now I read Kean is asking the fringe players to step up to the mark in the game versus City. I wish Kean would seek within himself and think about whether he actually knows what he is doing and what his tactics may be for the game. City appear in disarray off pitch but there ios no doubt, on Saturday they will be sent out with one message - DESTROY ROVERS and show the footballing world what they are about. This they will duly due and then we will all hear Keans moaning about a lack of fit players etc etc.

Onto Kean and Venky's. There has to be someone somewhere within the club structure who has a voice other than Kean himslef. Venky's must know there are issues and they must understand the feelings of the fans especially now because for me, the turmoil is growing, the outrage is getting louder and the bad feeling is spreading to the pitch and to the players themselves. Its all looking horrible for Rovers at this very time. There is a lack of media coverage from ex players and pundits at this time but come Saturday the voices and opinions will be back and will be much louder.

As a Rovers supporter of 41 plus years, I am going to the game to back my team but I am also going to voice my discontent at the way Kean is taking us down and tearing the club apart, the club is rocking in the foundations and its heading for an awful fall. The structure that has served us so well has been dismantled bit by bit and piece by piece. Any repairs tht have been made are disjointed and we are seeing a wobbly wobbly structure that is heading for the biggest crash.

I question the role of Mr Hunt. What exactly is he doing ? How is he running the club ?

I question the role of Mr Agnew. How big a part is he playing at Ewood ?

I ask what the hell is Mr Williams doing behind the scenes ?

Someone somewhere is playing a liaison role between club and owners it surely cannot be down to the shoulders of Kean. That person and that person alone needs identifying and all of our questions need directing to him for answers.

Steve Kean should be realising that the game is up for him as Rovers manager. He does not retain the support of the fans, despite the few that want to give him more time. It appears there are major divides within the playing staff as evident on the pitch versus NUFC. I dread to think that Venkys could be so oblivious to these feelings because the results, or lack of them are speaking volumes about Kean.

I do suspect that the fans will be voicing their opinion on Saturday and very early in the match at that. Once City get the upper hand it will all go against the team and in particular I feel that the fans will spew their venom directly at him. Maybe at that point reality will hit home and Kean will realise that he is not up to the job of managing BRFC or any club for that matter.

The board have a duty to the club, to the players and to the fans. Reckoning time has arrived.

[Kennys Magic Hat]

did you see the Newcastle game?, I thought that might have forced your hand to say Man City might push it over the edge.

Newcastle just couldn't have been worse in terms of performance.

Anyone remember saying "I hope Petrovic signs before the first game because he looks brilliant on youtube and Zac's reports".

Now when I watch him I feel like I'm back in the the cinema watching The Titantic.

Apart from the highlights (or lowlights!) I didn't see the Newcastle game Chris but I am very worried by all the accounts that we were very very poor. If anything it should have been the complete opposite after the win against Arsenal. I think the Rovers players (maybe fed by Kean's bullshit) generally don't seem to turn up against teams that they may be considered capable of getting a result against (eg Birmingham/Blackpool last season). There's a laziness to them which I think comes from the fact the senior players have had no threat to their positions in the starting eleven for several years. But when the pressure's on (last 4 games of last season, 2nd half of Arsenal game this season) they seem to come out fighting.

But anyway if we get beaten by 3+ goals against City and its another poor performance then yes my theory of giving him 4 more games would be severely tested!

[tony gale's mic]

Tony Gale's Mic you are sounding very like a bitter and angry man, has something happened earlier in life to make you this way? There is no need to go slagging off and personally insulting fellow Rovers fans, everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially when they back it up with tangible things to back their argument. To personally insult a fellow Rovers fan for having an opinion is bit cheap and shows a lack of intelligence on your part.

I respect your opinion, yes his record is poor but I do think a lot of your hatred towards Kean is because you don't like the way Steve Kean got the job, because he is the Venky's yes man and then you try to drag up everything else behind the scenes to create an evil monster that is Steve Kean.....the Yorkshire Ripper probably got less grief than some Rovers fans give Kean.

I am all about results this season, he deserves the next match, if he loses he is out, we move on and Venky's make sure they appoint the right man during the international break. (Which I worry they will not) I have not once said I believe that Kean is the right man to take Rovers forward, but everyone deserves some sort of chance. Last season saw the biggest upheaval in Rovers recent history, takeover, Williams going, stupid talk of Beckham etc, Samba unrest and wanting to go, the sale of our best young player, the promise of £20 million kitty then nothing. Kean has taken the brunt of the blame for things out his control.

Nah, what's happened is that my football club has been systematically taken apart in the last ten months. If you get me talking about most other things, I have a sunnier dispoisition than most. I think saying someone has a screw loose for claiming losing football (ie under Kean) is better than winning football (ie under Sam) is a perfectly reasonable response to such a ludicrous claim. If someone told me Keith Andrews was better than Lionel Messi, I'd tell them they had a screw loose.

If Kean got results, I wouldn't give a toss how he got the job or what he said to Venky's. So that's where you're very, very wrong.

Kean didn't suddenly shapeshift into a competent manager over the summer. He didn't suddenly go through a machine which gave him new abilities to manage a football club, or have a chip implanted in his brain which contained the knowledge of Mourinho, Ferguson, Shankly and Paisley. Results this season are a continuation of results last season.

Most of the things you mentioned shouldn't have been big influences on matters on the pitch. Kean is taking the blame for the results on the pitch. Something which, in his role as manager, is very much in his control.

[chris]

Apart from the highlights (or lowlights!) I didn't see the Newcastle game Chris but I am very worried by all the accounts that we were very very poor. If anything it should have been the complete opposite after the win against Arsenal. I think the Rovers players (maybe fed by Kean's bullshit) generally don't seem to turn up against teams that they may be considered capable of getting a result against (eg Birmingham/Blackpool last season). There's a laziness to them which I think comes from the fact the senior players have had no threat to their positions in the starting eleven for several years. But when the pressure's on (last 4 games of last season, 2nd half of Arsenal game this season) they seem to come out fighting.

But anyway if we get beaten by 3+ goals against City and its another poor performance then yes my theory of giving him 4 more games would be severely tested!

Yeah Newcastle was nightmare, that combined with a heavy Man city defeat could be too much.

having said all that, I think the "players" kept Kean in a job at the Arsenal game. Nobody can say that they players were not playing for the manager and Venkys saw this, so it was difficult not to vote more time, Olsson and Yakubu a Kean signing were brilliant.

I did say at the start of the season I was willing to give him a fresh start 10 games because we had little choice.

There is too much heat in the kitchen.

If Kean did by a miricle get a result at Man City, you will see a mass of anti-Kean poster disapear and a mass of pro-Kean posters appear (ones called Bradlock I think) and your open views would be the norm for s much higher percentage of the board.

At the moment its all guns.

[mark1875]

I am all about results this season, he deserves the next match,

can you elaborate on this, if its all about results this season - why does he deserve another match?

his overall win record is 22%

ignore last seasons and its 16.6%

we gave him the summer, he spent more on new players than any of our last 3 managers got to spend

this season we have had more possesion than the opposition in ONE GAME

we have had more shots on target than the opposition in TWO GAMES

can somebody tell me what has changed this season from last season, or is it as i said already that people are just wanting to give him more time for the sake of it without believing it will improve

what statistics are there, or what has anybody seen to suggest things are gonna change for the good?

[T4E]

Forget last season its over with

In that case lets hire Avram Grant next. He's unbeaten this season.

[matty1875]

can you elaborate on this, if its all about results this season - why does he deserve another match?

his overall win record is 22%

ignore last seasons and its 16.6%

we gave him the summer, he spent more on new players than any of our last 3 managers got to spend

this season we have had more possesion than the opposition in ONE GAME

we have had more shots on target than the opposition in TWO GAMES

can somebody tell me what has changed this season from last season, or is it as i said already that people are just wanting to give him more time for the sake of it without believing it will improve

what statistics are there, or what has anybody seen to suggest things are gonna change for the good?

Becuase I think that any manager ahould be given a certain amount of time to stamp his authority on his team. Normally it would be 12 - 14 games of season, however in Kean's case, his lack of experience at this level and how competative the premier league is then he should be given 7 games, look at it, if we are in the bottom 3 then sack...if not then give him to the next international break and look again, if in the bottom 3 then sack if not then keep till start of December. Somebody made a point the other week that if we keep Kean in charge till after the City match we would be 9 points adrift, again a sign of a supporter who is desperate to get Kean out. However his stats are awful and that is why I would not give him the usual 14 games into the season that most managers get. November time is usually when managers start getting the sack, so even sacking on Saturday would be very early indeed and against the norm.

[chris]

Becuase I think that any manager ahould be given a certain amount of time to stamp his authority on his team. Normally it would be 12 - 14 games of season, however in Kean's case, his lack of experience at this level and how competative the premier league is then he should be given 7 games, look at it, if we are in the bottom 3 then sack...if not then give him to the next international break and look again, if in the bottom 3 then sack if not then keep till start of December. Somebody made a point the other week that if we keep Kean in charge till after the City match we would be 9 points adrift, again a sign of a supporter who is desperate to get Kean out. However his stats are awful and that is why I would not give him the usual 14 games into the season that most managers get. November time is usually when managers start getting the sack, so even sacking on Saturday would be very early indeed and against the norm.

ok I knew someone said seven it was you, yeah thats more then fair comment, hope you don't get stick for that comment.

A new manager would get probably 12, taking into account Keans record and the fact the owners are naive idiots, 7 is optimistic probably, but the fair considering.

[mark1875]

Becuase I think that any manager ahould be given a certain amount of time to stamp his authority on his team. Normally it would be 12 - 14 games of season, however in Kean's case, his lack of experience at this level and how competative the premier league is then he should be given 7 games, look at it, if we are in the bottom 3 then sack...if not then give him to the next international break and look again, if in the bottom 3 then sack if not then keep till start of December. Somebody made a point the other week that if we keep Kean in charge till after the City match we would be 9 points adrift, again a sign of a supporter who is desperate to get Kean out. However his stats are awful and that is why I would not give him the usual 14 games into the season that most managers get. November time is usually when managers start getting the sack, so even sacking on Saturday would be very early indeed and against the norm.

so am i right in thinking that you don't hold any hope that he will turn it around? you just wanna give him time for the sake of it

i agree with giving somebody more time into the start of the season if they are new to the job, or if they did well the previous season. This case is very different though

[chris]

so am i right in thinking that you don't hold any hope that he will turn it around? you just wanna give him time for the sake of it

i agree with giving somebody more time into the start of the season if they are new to the job, or if they did well the previous season. This case is very different though

Nine days ago Venkys were blowing Kean kisses. He would have never been sacked after the Newcastle game, you guys need to enter the real world and not some BRFC fantasy world.

We need a big spanking to get him out after Man City.