[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

[Seedstral]

he seems increasingly deluded, suggesting that it was a positive thing that Blackburn had not conceded for the first 55 minutes.

At least hes agreed with my assessment at the end of his article that the manager is deluded!!! I have never ever called for a manager to go (Hodgson,Ince & Kean etc) during a game but i'm close to it now as i can see no way back as hes alienated not only the fans but from what i've heard a lot of the lesser staff at Brockhall too due to his pure arrogance!!

[joey_big_nose]

From my point of view he should go now. But if you look at the fixtures I guess the plan is to give Kean till the end of October. QPR, Tottenham, Norwich are all winnable. So I suppose the idea is if we can get four or five points out of those then he stays. Or altenatively they jst haven't looked at anyone else to take over yet (I mean if Kean was sacked who would manage the team in the interim till we appointed someone?!)

Bottom line is we do have good players - Hoilett, Yakubu, Olsson, Samba, Dann - it is case of getting them to be properly organised and minimise our severe weak points (central midfield and full back...) and address them in the January window. Never though we would beat CIty - although the way the heads went down was deeply disapponting - what hurts more is other needless defeats.

Lets try and get our house in order eh Venky's?

[Miker]

Jesus wept.

'The owners have backed me from day one, so I'd expect them to back me until we get a more positive vein of form.'

So basically, Venky's will back him 100%, until he starts getting results and THEN they will sack him. Sounds like Kean's policy with Kalinic last season. Play him until he scores goals, and then ###### off!

'I don't know what the percentage of fans [against me] is. But I'd rather they vented their anger at me than at the players. I'll take the criticism on my shoulders.'

If it wasn't for the likes of Samba and Hoilett, and maybe even Rochina being superb quality players then we'd be losing our games 5-0 every week. All our attacks seem to go through individual brilliance from Hoilett. Our scoreline has generally been kept respectable through the efforts of Samba in defence, and last season Jones as well. Kean is still to blame for playing inexperienced players who will make mistakes and setting the team up poorly and too attacking, so that they are easily exposed. Last night he set the team up better, but it was a mistake playing Goodwillie on the wing IMO.

[Steve Moss]

Andy Cryer on Talksport just now - "You can't help but feel sorry for Steve Kean" ???????

Ray Houghton - "I can't understand why the fans are calling for his head when he managed to keep them up last season when it looked like they were doomed"

Alan Shearer on Steve Kean, 'He's not a bad manager...'

Am I just having a nightmare? Every pundit under the son is missing the key facts and backing Kean.

Out of touch idiots, the both of them.

[John]

Backstabbing tool but at least he is positive

[sam_rovers]

he's still there

finally someone more incompetent than George Bush

[Miker]

Our standards have fallen. It is now ok if we JUST have a chance of avoiding relegation under Kean.

So apparently until we're dead and buried it's ok.

[gumboots]

Please get a proper manager in who can organise the team Venkys!

Only one sub today?!?!

Ewood was a seething cauldron today, I can only see it getting worse. It worries me slightly that someone could get seriously harmed with the anger on display today.

Never seen it that heated before, even when there's been kick offs with rival fans.

This was one of the worst aspects of today for me. He didn't even try to change things. You send on a sub because it breaks up play, gives you a chance to get messages across to the other players, send out a bit of encouragement, an "I'm trying to do something about the problems on the field", even if you don't think the sub will actually make any difference to the overall outcome of the match. He did nothing. He totally abdicated responsibility for anything that was happening on the pitch. Credit to the players that they actually carried on playing, albeit their confidence and belief had gone altogether. Thought Robinson's gesture to the fans was telling - me, you, the club. Seems he might have had enough of Kean too.

[Veevs]

Still can't believe it looks like he will be staying longer..

GD, match posession now both the worst in the league.. for gods sake Swansea and Norwich keep hold of the ball better than us..

For me Venkys are keeping hold of him because they see his vision (as do a few on this board) but they need to realise that despite what Kean says:

1 - Attacking flowing football does not work if you don't have the players/organisation/tactics to play that way (and they cost).. all it leads to is giving the ball to the opposition (see possesion stats) and opening up your defense to be pounded match after match (see goal difference)

2 - Keans record is bad for a reason.. he simply is not a manager who can organise and motivate players

3 - 42-45pts should be the target for safety.. 4 points from 7 games.. 0.57pts per game is guaranteed relegation form

4 - Signing kids is great, but they need to be introduced slowly (and not all at the same time) into an experienced side that has the appropriate leadership on and off the pitch and is performing well enough for them not to have their confidence shot to hell..

5 - Sending the team to India at this point of the season when the players look unfit, tired and are already coming down with injuries is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard..

6 - Spending money on players is great but don't buy kids for the sake of it.. spend the money where it is needed first, a large percentage of this board knew the issues we would have but we didn't address any of them.. goal scorer, Defensive/boxtobox midfielder, rb cover should all of been priorities

7 - If they stick to their current plan they might as well of just given the money they spent to charity because they will loose the lot when we get relegated

If they are trying to do an Arsenal (which I am sure is the vision they have been sold by Kean, SEM, kentaro and JA.. ) and become a power house when it comes to developing kids they need to look back to how Arsenal got there.. they spend pretty big on young talent, they built a very formidable team FIRST so the kids had people to learn from, they introduce kids slowly with a mix of experience in all areas, they always spend big on experienced attacking players to fit in with the kids.. and IMPORTANTLY.. it does not always work (as this season is proving), once the formidable team disappeared so did the trophies, even a manager of Wengers experience finds working this way difficult and above all even a top, well supported London based club can't keep hold of these players.

AND VENKYS IF YOU ARE READING THIS.. A new manager while we are on a break is a great idea.. you at least have the time to meet the new boss and he has time to sort the tactics, get to know the players and get his backroom in.. oh and if Kean does have something against you.. surely it has to be worth more than 25 million to you..

[glen9mullan]

Another woeful display from the Manager from the technical area, and more evidence he is out of his depth.

Never mind going to India, I think the whole trip should be cancelled. The work needs to be done here on the training ground to get this awful mess sorted out. Running around doing a Marketing PR exercise for Venky's in India is not going to help us improve our results.

This trip should never have been scheduled during the season, and if we pick injuries up during the exhibition match then we are going to live to regret it.

Below I have put some stats on Kean's Reign and added Sam Allardyces from last season.

Steve Kean's reign

LEAGUE

Played: 28

Won: 6

Drawn:8

Lost:14

Scored:32

Conceded:49

Clean Sheets:4

HOME

Played: 15

Won:4

Drawn:5

Lost:6

Scored:16

Conceded:20

Clean sheets:3

AWAY

Played: 13

Won:2

Drawn:3

Lost:8

Scored:16

Conceded:29

Clean sheets:1

CUP

Played :4

Won:3

Lost:1

Scored:8

Conceded:6

Clean Sheets:1

NOTE ALL THREE VICTORIES IN CUP HAVE BEEN AGAINST LOWER DIVISION OPPOSITION

*Just 5 clean sheets in 32 games.

*Not had a clean sheet for 12 Matches.

*Only picked up 24 points out of a possible 84

*Failed to find the net in 10 of Kean's 28 games

*Only won 2 matches were we have kept a clean sheet

*Home attendances down by 15%

*Longest unbeaten run 4 games

*Longest run without winning 10 games

*Rovers have not recorded back to back wins at all in the league under Kean

*Rovers won 4 of their last 7 fixtures under Sam Allardyce getting 12 points from 21 available this is 50% of Keans points total in his entire reign as Rover Manager. This included winning our last 3 home games under Sam and keeping 4 clean sheets in 15 games.

Sams record from last season

Played:17

Won:6

Lost:7

Drawn:4

Scored:22

Conceded:30

Clean Sheets:4

HOME

Played:8

Won:4

Drawn:2

Lost:2

For:11

Against:6

Clean sheets:4

AWAY

Played:9

Won:2

Drawn:5

Lost:2

For:11

Against:24

Clean Sheets:0

*Only failed to score twice

*Home defeats came against Arsenal and Chelsea.

*22 points from 51 Available

Finally of the 7 games we have played this season under Kean against the same 7 teams under Sam last season

Wolves Home: Kean Lost Sam Won

Eveton Home: Kean Lost Sam Won

Newcastle Away: Kean Lost Sam won

Villa Away: Kean Lost, Sam won Home fixture

Arsenal Home: Kean Won Sam Lost

Fulham Away: Kean Drew Sam drew Home fixture

Man City Home: Kean Lost Sam Drew Away fixture

Keans points 4 Sams Points 14

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Stats make me angry

[AllRoverAsia]

The Club have allowed this tripe to be published on the Club's official website:

Kean BRFC website

To quote Kean:

''I spoke to the lads in there and they are gutted because they felt we could have got something from the game particularly with the way we played in the first half....So not to get anything was tough...I felt as though we had a good shape in the first half...Up to the 55th minute there was nothing in the game''

The people resonsible for this garbage getting on the Rovers main website are: Deputy Chief Executive: Paul Hunt, Directors: Robert Coar, Gandhi Babu, Mahesh Gupta, Vineeth Rao, Simon Hunt. Of course the real culprits are in Pune lead by Anuradha Desai.

What a motely crew of buffons and the above is just a minor example of their incompetence. IMO none of you are deserving of any respect.

IMO The reasons we appeared to hold Man City at bay for 55 mins included:

* We were playing Allardyce tactics, 10 behind the ball and long punts up field, especially from the keeper, to a lone striker who can't head the ball.

* Man City were coasting in the first half. Maybe Mancini had a go at them at half time as City upped the pace and the inevitable happened.

* As soon as Man City scored any semblance of working tactics from Rovers disappeared and heads dropped. The 3rd and 4th City goals were shambolic (all season our CBs are getting pulled away when a cross comes in to leave attackers with free headers on goal - or did Samba just go on a ''Kean Out'' walkabout for the 4th?)

Like many others I cannot understand the 'hold' that Kean has over our beloved Club - he seems to infest every nook and cranny and contril most things. Why is he unsackable. I am beginning to think that the oft quoted ''Board'' at BRFC clear everything through Kean. Scary stuff.

I knew that the lucky win v Arsenal would come back to haunt us by keeping Kean around longer.

[philipl]

Stop disgracing our club you liar.

Complete and utter guff on the official web site.

Lee Grooby should hang his head in shame.

[Alan75]

Philip thats a bit unfair - How can you blame Lee. The official site is only quoting the manager.

[Pugg]

Well I am so fed up this morning. I was one of those that couldn't/didn't stay for the protest but was singing for kean to go whilst walking out...I wanted to make it clear that just because I was leaving it didn't mean I supported kean.

I tried to get a 'we want you sacked in the morning' chant going, but only one guy joined in and it was met by shaking heads around me...luckily it got going elsewhere in the bbe as well as the other chants.

Steve kean,

If you read this on brfcs, please resign as manager of Blackburn rovers. Your results are poor. Your tactics are poor. Your team looks unfit. They don't look organised. They gave up yesterday. You aren't strong enough to stand up to the owners. You didn't show any passion yesterday and hid in the dugout. You only made one substitution. Our goal difference is the worst in the league. We cant keep a clean sheet. We gift the opposition posession and dont close tham down. You apparently called some fans morons. You lied in court and tried to blame the fans. Your interviews are embarrassing. You appear to be a good coach and that is where your future should lie. I don't like asking someone to give up their job but you are risking the future of a whole football club and it's fans for what? Money? Pride? Stubbornness? Please, please do the right thing and walk away.

To venkys,

If Steve kean won't resign from his position please sack him. Over 95% of fans want him gone on here. There is no shame in admitting that you made a mistake, or several mistakes. There is shame in sticking with a manager for the wrong reasons, be it money, pride or the fear of what he might reveal. If you want your investment to go down the plughole you're going the right way about it. You might be trying to do the honourable thing by keeping your promise of him being unsackable and backing your man, but what about your promises to thousands of fans when you bought our club?

To the pundits,

If it wasn't for venkys and Steve kean we wouldn't be in this position. Yes he saved us from relegation on the last day of the season but who got us in that position in the first place? You get paid to know your stuff...and that isn't just about the 'top teams'. I know it isn't the done thing to call for a managers head but at least ask questions and get the facts...or does it not matter as it is only Blackburn rovers?

I hate what is happening to our club.

Kean out!

[gumboots]

Philip thats a bit unfair - How can you blame Lee. The official site is only quoting the manager.

It was the same on Radiorovers yesterday - fans ringing up and trying to explain why the manager had to go and Gerald and Neil defending him. It's their job on the line and we all know what happens when you don't toe the line. The more they spout the rubbish the less believable it becomes. It's like watching the Demon Headmaster ...."This is a very good club and ......."

[Tony Diamond Inc]

surely now is the time for the pro-kean guys to revise their opinion? surely? surely now noone can defend this man? is their any credibility left in the world if they do?

Count me as one of yours now.

My philosophy has been to give the manager time- be patient. My patience has petered out.

We need a new broom, someone who can come in with his own backroom staff e.g. Hughes. We need structure. There is a Kidd/Ince feel about the place.

Whilst the City game was always going to be difficult, I feel we made it easier for them by playing Goodwillie on the wing (City players took the ball off him like taking candy from a baby), then to replace him with Formica was baffling, with Vuckevic on the bench!

[Kamy100]

I have talked to Venky's PR this morning and can report that the owners were concerned about the performance and fan reaction yesterday BUT according to my contact Mrs D is not yet ready to sack Kean. Her thinking is that Rovers are part of a group of clubs who are within a couple of points of each other and therefore is willing to give Kean more time to get this right, she is the key decision maker and is not listening to any outside people after what happened with Kentaro/SEM.

It appears that the only person who could influence her decision is Paul Hunt, she trusts and values his opinion.

I told my contact to pass the message back up the line that by continuing to back Kean they are risking a full out fan revolt and some fans are just one step away from moving from Kean out to Venky's out.

[Mattyblue]

Bombard Paul Hunt everybody...

[Roverall]

F*** Venky's.

They have ruined this club.

[Waggy76]

I have talked to Venky's PR this morning and can report that the owners were concerned about the performance and fan reaction yesterday BUT according to my contact Mrs D is not yet ready to sack Kean. Her thinking is that Rovers are part of a group of clubs who are within a couple of points of each other and therefore is willing to give Kean more time to get this right, she is the key decision maker and is not listening to any outside people after what happened with Kentaro/SEM.

It appears that the only person who could influence her decision is Paul Hunt, she trusts and values his opinion.

I told my contact to pass the message back up the line that by continuing to back Kean they are risking a full out fan revolt and some fans are just one step away from moving from Kean out to Venky's out.

I don't think we are too faraway from serious crowd disorder , if this half wit continues to be the manager ... I am not advocating this though.

[philipl]

Another woeful display from the Manager from the technical area, and more evidence he is out of his depth.

Never mind going to India, I think the whole trip should be cancelled. The work needs to be done here on the training ground to get this awful mess sorted out. Running around doing a Marketing PR exercise for Venky's in India is not going to help us improve our results.

This trip should never have been scheduled during the season, and if we pick injuries up during the exhibition match then we are going to live to regret it.

Below I have put some stats on Kean's Reign and added Sam Allardyces from last season.

Steve Kean's reign

LEAGUE

Played: 28

Won: 6

Drawn:8

Lost:14

Scored:32

Conceded:49

Clean Sheets:4

HOME

Played: 15

Won:4

Drawn:5

Lost:6

Scored:16

Conceded:20

Clean sheets:3

AWAY

Played: 13

Won:2

Drawn:3

Lost:8

Scored:16

Conceded:29

Clean sheets:1

CUP

Played :4

Won:3

Lost:1

Scored:8

Conceded:6

Clean Sheets:1

NOTE ALL THREE VICTORIES IN CUP HAVE BEEN AGAINST LOWER DIVISION OPPOSITION

*Just 5 clean sheets in 32 games.

*Not had a clean sheet for 12 Matches.

*Only picked up 24 points out of a possible 84

*Failed to find the net in 10 of Kean's 28 games

*Only won 2 matches were we have kept a clean sheet

*Home attendances down by 15%

*Longest unbeaten run 4 games

*Longest run without winning 10 games

*Rovers have not recorded back to back wins at all in the league under Kean

*Rovers won 4 of their last 7 fixtures under Sam Allardyce getting 12 points from 21 available this is 50% of Keans points total in his entire reign as Rover Manager. This included winning our last 3 home games under Sam and keeping 4 clean sheets in 15 games.

Sams record from last season

Played:17

Won:6

Lost:7

Drawn:4

Scored:22

Conceded:30

Clean Sheets:4

HOME

Played:8

Won:4

Drawn:2

Lost:2

For:11

Against:6

Clean sheets:4

AWAY

Played:9

Won:2

Drawn:5

Lost:2

For:11

Against:24

Clean Sheets:0

*Only failed to score twice

*Home defeats came against Arsenal and Chelsea.

*22 points from 51 Available

Finally of the 7 games we have played this season under Kean against the same 7 teams under Sam last season

Wolves Home: Kean Lost Sam Won

Eveton Home: Kean Lost Sam Won

Newcastle Away: Kean Lost Sam won

Villa Away: Kean Lost, Sam won Home fixture

Arsenal Home: Kean Won Sam Lost

Fulham Away: Kean Drew Sam drew Home fixture

Man City Home: Kean Lost Sam Drew Away fixture

Keans points 4 Sams Points 14

That is a devastating indictment of Kean.

How many points adrift at the bottom is Mrs Desai's target for this season Kamy?

[roverwhelmed]

It was the same on Radiorovers yesterday - fans ringing up and trying to explain why the manager had to go and Gerald and Neil defending him. It's their job on the line and we all know what happens when you don't toe the line. The more they spout the rubbish the less believable it becomes. It's like watching the Demon Headmaster ...."This is a very good club and ......."

When someone who rang in to RR said the supporters were being 'selfish' for vocalising their dismay I switched it off. It is the most selfish thing I've ever done that . FFS.

[Roverall]

We have to keep fighting. The more they ignore us, the LOUDER we will get.

I am going to put this letter in the post to Paul Hunt in a few minutes. I suggest that everyone do the same - it only takes 10 minutes and the impact of a letter is, in my opinion, far greater than an e-mail. We have to bombard these people with complaints until they have no option but to sack Kean.

Dear Mr. Hunt,

I write to you as a passionate Rovers supporter of twenty years, dismayed at the current direction the club is going in. During the management regimes of Mark Hughes and Sam Allardyce, Ewood Park was a fortress that other clubs feared visiting. The contrast in 2011 could not be starker.

Attendances at Ewood are dwindling and I have never known the fans to be so angry. Blackburn Rovers are staring relegation in the face but it is not too late to do something about it. We have the nucleus of a good team but it has become patently obvious that Steve Kean is not up the job.

I implore you to please exert your influence with the owners and replace Kean as Rovers manager.

The future of our beloved club is at stake.

Yours sincerely