[Archived] Steve Kean Podcast

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Don't think so Tom.

He's just up his own backside, and he thinks he's above criticism from anyone.

Steve Kean and reality/honesty have never met.

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Dont you ever post about football?

[Glenn]

Kamy you might want to check websites from most of the daily papers , I know the mail is carrying the same story met with one of the organisers etc

If you do take him to court and to pre-empt his defence can I just make it clear It wasn't me that spiked his microphone, telephone, fax machine etc

Having now seen a copy of the SSN interview, I genuinely think it's a very very very unfortunate pause in mid-sentence that changed the entire meaning.

My transcription is

"Yer, I was aware there was gonna be a protest and what I actually done [sic] is I met .. I met of one the organisers ... from one of the unofficial supporters clubs and we had a real good chat."

The problem is the pause between "organisers" and "from" makes it sound like he met a protest organiser not a supporters club organiser.

I'm still hoping to get some official clarification from Mr Agnew as it's not exactly on that Kamy's livelihood should suffer due to Kean's pause for thought.

[PAFELL]

Sorry I'm no Kean's side a little (while it's not fair on Kamy I accept)

On the back of the letter and the interview was not "confirmed" until after leaks of the protest, Kean would have thought the questions were from people angry at Kean, he was probably surprised how easy they were.

Did Kean want a nice interview with the fans? no ofcourse not, you can;t blame him from wanting to save his skin.

I said after the interview it was unfair on Kean because it did not contain the enough content neccessary to defuse any protest.

If the interview was protecting Kamy then someone else should have done it.

If I remember correctly at no point did Kamy say or discuss whether he was or was not in the protest.

I actually thought Kamy was organising the protest aswell at the time of the interview (must have got my wires crossed), maybe thats why I was disappointed with the some of the tone.

Great that Kean is meeting Glen and Venkys meeting fans, such a big turn around, if Glen and other fans are open and honest they Kean will know where he is going wrong (excluding results)

There is nothing on this site that remotely indicates Kamy was involved is starting or even participating in the protest. If I remember correctly he and other admin of this site, that they had to remain neutral for the sake of the board. They chose to keep their own opinions to themselves.

[den]

Sorry, Den, but have you and Kean ever met?

Come on mum, you don't believe that 99% of rovers fans back him - do you? You don't believe that we'll be in the CL in 3-4 years do you? You don't think we've only ever "been excellent" for the last 10 months, do you?

You know there is a list a mile long that demonstrates how much bull the man talks. He is up his own backside because he refuses to believe that he's got any real critics and refuses to accept how poor we've been since he arrived. He's full of himself.

[perthblue02]

Having now seen a copy of the SSN interview, I genuinely think it's a very very very unfortunate pause in mid-sentence that changed the entire meaning.

My transcription is

"Yer, I was aware there was gonna be a protest and what I actually done [sic] is I met .. I met of one the organisers ... from one of the unofficial supporters clubs and we had a real good chat."

The problem is the pause between "organisers" and "from" makes it sound like he met a protest organiser not a supporters club organiser.

I'm still hoping to get some official clarification from Mr Agnew as it's not exactly on that Kamy's livelihood should suffer due to Kean's pause for thought.

Also seen the interview and to me his facial expressions and body language indicate he knew exactly what he was trying to get across,but that's my opinion

[Ste B]

There is nothing on this site that remotely indicates Kamy was involved is starting or even participating in the protest. If I remember correctly he and other admin of this site, that they had to remain neutral for the sake of the board. They chose to keep their own opinions to themselves.

Absolutely correct.

[chris]

There is nothing on this site that remotely indicates Kamy was involved is starting or even participating in the protest. If I remember correctly he and other admin of this site, that they had to remain neutral for the sake of the board. They chose to keep their own opinions to themselves.

I saw this on twitter if I understand correctly it was it was a message from Kamy to Glen, why I thought Kamy was involved, like I said I might have got my wires crossed, looks like Kamy was messaging Glen if I understand twitter correctly:

Northern_Rover Northern Rover

@glen9mullan organising protest against Kean, Saturday at 11.30am. Full details soon, please RT if you support this. Need fans to turn up.

13 Sep

[Parsonblue]

I'm no fan of Kean but on this occasion I'm not sure that he is in the wrong. Clearly he knew there was a demo going to be held against him and if you are being asked questions by someone representing a fans website I think it's a fair assumption to believe that the website's readers may well be part of the demo - as indeed they were.

My problems with Kean are about the lack of results. I also think he should have made an apology over the drink driving episode, but that's another matter.

I have no problem with a guy trying to defend himself when coming under pressure from fans. That's human nature and I see nothing wrong with that. I suspect he has more pressing matters than working out the politics of various messageboards. While he was unwise to comment on the numbers on the demo and draw conclusions from that it was perfectly understandable considering the stick he has been taking. Watching the demo arrive at Ewood I would have thought a figure of around 300 was fairly accurate. However, even if it was a 700 or a 1000, it represented a small fraction of the attendance at the match. Perhaps if the PR people at the club had been doing their job properly they might have advised him to say it was a small demonstration and he understood their concerns and left it at that. Where Kean went wrong was in claiming that anyone not on the march supported him and his assumption that those on the march weren't backing the team. However, being questioned immediately after such a vital match it's understandable why emotions might have got the better of him and hence he took a swipe at those on the demo.

The bottom line is that Kean will stand or fall by results. Whilst he could claim last season that it wasn't his team - a defence which is pretty weak considering he had been the coach prior to taking over - that excuse is no longer valid. If he obtains results over the next few months then the events of the past week will quickly disappear. If he doesn't get results the pressure will increase. However, at the end of the day Kean's future will be decided by events on the pitch rather than comments in interviews.

[roversmum]

Come on mum, you don't believe that 99% of rovers fans back him - do you? You don't believe that we'll be in the CL in 3-4 years do you? You don't think we've only ever "been excellent" for the last 10 months, do you?

You know there is a list a mile long that demonstrates how much bull the man talks. He is up his own backside because he refuses to believe that he's got any real critics and refuses to accept how poor we've been since he arrived. He's full of himself.

No, Den of course they don't, but going by the actual numbers he was given on the march, it's a feasible statement to make. What's he is supposed to say - "Of course, there were only one percent of fans at the march, but actually only (put in a number) per cent of fans back me." Anyone would have said what he did.

As for the team being "excellent" - he isn't stupid Den. If he says something like "well, actually the players were rubbish but they are all I have to work with" or the like, rather than privately taking them aside and having a word at a quiet moment at the training ground it's not going to help the players to come out for the next match raring to go, is it?

Most people who have been talked about on these forums and others the way Kean has, would probably have gone away and found a rope somewhere. The stuff he has had to deal with since he became Manager would have most people running for cover - which, to be fair, is the aim of many. Instead he has stood up to it all. Yes, he has made mistakes, probably a lifetime's mistakes in the months since he was appointed, but he is learning from those mistakes - and as I know personally, it's never too late to learn. He can't utter a word without it being analysed to the nth degree and every possible connotation wrung from it. The unfortunate thing about making statments in public is that if things don't work out, there is no place to hide. Surely positivity can't be bad though? If anything, I would say he is trying too hard, the man's workload is phenomenal.

Recently I have spoken to people from all sides of the club, including some of the players. They all seem pretty relaxed and happy with the way things are going and those involved with games are confident that things will come right. They are also quite excited about plans for the future for our club. Meanwhile, others are working behind the scenes to ensure that Blackburn Rovers settles back to being the well run family club we all know and love.

Now is the time, if ever there was one, for EVERYONE to get behind the players and the Management team and give them unqualified support.

Parsonblue - excellent comments, as always.

[AllRoverAsia]

No, Den of course they don't, but going by the actual numbers he was given on the march, it's a feasible statement to make. What's he is supposed to say - "Of course, there were only one percent of fans at the march, but actually only (put in a number) per cent of fans back me." Anyone would have said what he did.

As for the team being "excellent" - he isn't stupid Den. If he says something like "well, actually the players were rubbish but they are all I have to work with" or the like, rather than privately taking them aside and having a word at a quiet moment at the training ground it's not going to help the players to come out for the next match raring to go, is it?

Most people who have been talked about on these forums and others the way Kean has, would probably have gone away and found a rope somewhere. The stuff he has had to deal with since he became Manager would have most people running for cover - which, to be fair, is the aim of many. Instead he has stood up to it all. Yes, he has made mistakes, probably a lifetime's mistakes in the months since he was appointed, but he is learning from those mistakes - and as I know personally, it's never too late to learn. He can't utter a word without it being analysed to the nth degree and every possible connotation wrung from it. The unfortunate thing about making statments in public is that if things don't work out, there is no place to hide. Surely positivity can't be bad though? If anything, I would say he is trying too hard, the man's workload is phenomenal.

Recently I have spoken to people from all sides of the club, including some of the players. They all seem pretty relaxed and happy with the way things are going and those involved with games are confident that things will come right. They are also quite excited about plans for the future for our club. Meanwhile, others are working behind the scenes to ensure that Blackburn Rovers settles back to being the well run family club we all know and love.

Now is the time, if ever there was one, for EVERYONE to get behind the players and the Management team and give them unqualified support.

Parsonblue - excellent comments, as always.

[AllRoverAsia]

No, Den of course they don't, but going by the actual numbers he was given on the march, it's a feasible statement to make. What's he is supposed to say - "Of course, there were only one percent of fans at the march, but actually only (put in a number) per cent of fans back me." Anyone would have said what he did.

As for the team being "excellent" - he isn't stupid Den. If he says something like "well, actually the players were rubbish but they are all I have to work with" or the like, rather than privately taking them aside and having a word at a quiet moment at the training ground it's not going to help the players to come out for the next match raring to go, is it?

Most people who have been talked about on these forums and others the way Kean has, would probably have gone away and found a rope somewhere. The stuff he has had to deal with since he became Manager would have most people running for cover - which, to be fair, is the aim of many. Instead he has stood up to it all. Yes, he has made mistakes, probably a lifetime's mistakes in the months since he was appointed, but he is learning from those mistakes - and as I know personally, it's never too late to learn. He can't utter a word without it being analysed to the nth degree and every possible connotation wrung from it. The unfortunate thing about making statments in public is that if things don't work out, there is no place to hide. Surely positivity can't be bad though? If anything, I would say he is trying too hard, the man's workload is phenomenal.

Recently I have spoken to people from all sides of the club, including some of the players. They all seem pretty relaxed and happy with the way things are going and those involved with games are confident that things will come right. They are also quite excited about plans for the future for our club. Meanwhile, others are working behind the scenes to ensure that Blackburn Rovers settles back to being the well run family club we all know and love.

Now is the time, if ever there was one, for EVERYONE to get behind the players and the Management team and give them unqualified support.

Parsonblue - excellent comments, as always.

Roversmum - it's always a pleasure to read your posts and get a bit of sanity and calmness and valid points. I know that I am too easily caught up in the ''mass'' hysteria as I am fanatical about Rovers and have been for 35+ years.

Kean is not going anywhere soon and I'll accept that - provided he's judged on results going forward.

We are playing a style of football that's better to watch than before and of the goals that we've scored this season in the Premiership so far 4 have been of really good quality (Formica, Pederson, Rochina and Yak). I think Robbo still kicks long too often though. We have some good footballers but need a bit more bite in central midfield. I think we'll get a point if not all 3 against NUFC.

I think that you should be part of any delegation going to meet and talk to the owners - also phillipl to spice things up!

[den]

No, Den of course they don't, but going by the actual numbers he was given on the march, it's a feasible statement to make. What's he is supposed to say - "Of course, there were only one percent of fans at the march, but actually only (put in a number) per cent of fans back me." Anyone would have said what he did.

It's feasible to tell the press that he was responsible for changing the veiws of almost 2000 fans - then add that now only 1% of fans are against him being manager, while 99% of fans support him? That's what I call being up his own backside. Everyone loves him.

The correct way to deal with the protest, would have been to say something along the lines of "I understand that some of our fans aren't happy with results to date, but we are all working hard to change that"

As for the team being "excellent" - he isn't stupid Den. If he says something like "well, actually the players were rubbish but they are all I have to work with" or the like, rather than privately taking them aside and having a word at a quiet moment at the training ground it's not going to help the players to come out for the next match raring to go, is it?

No, I think he does believe that we are always excellent mum. If does believe that, then there's no chance of us progressing as a team. If he doesn't believe it, then don't say it because fans aren't stupid either. If a team plays poorly, there's far more to be gained by being honest. He doesn't need to say anything like "well, actually the players were rubbish but they are all I have to work with". He just needs to say that the performance wasn't good enough and there's room for improvement - as do most managers when it's so obvious to anyone. He creates his own problems by appearing to be in a different world to everyone else on the planet.

Most people who have been talked about on these forums the way Kean has, would probably have gone away and found a rope somewhere. The stuff he has had to deal with since he became Manager would have most people running for cover - which, to be fair, is the aim of many. Instead he has stood up to it all.

The stuff he's had to deal with has been brought on 100%, by himself mum. Cut out the Champions League in 3 years, we were excellent, we were unlucky, I made Phil Jones into a £20m player etc, etc, etc tripe - there's a list a mile long of the ridiculous stuff he's come out with - , and start being a bit more realistic. As for the fans making him run for cover mum, what do you expect taking into consideration the dire stuff that they've witnessed over the last 10 months? It's football and it's rovers. People have witnessed an almighty balls up of the running of the club since last November. Kean gets stick for his part as do Venky's for theirs.

I still like you though mum!

edit.

I also think we all appreciate where we are at this time. So what will be, will be. For all the criticism that Venky's and Kean get, not only on here, but in all aspects of the media, they have had wonderful support where it matters most - on the ground. so in reality, there is no reason for any real criticism of the fans.

[Parsonblue]

Now is the time, if ever there was one, for EVERYONE to get behind the players and the Management team and give them unqualified support.

I couldn't agree more with this mum. This looks like being another dogfight in terms of relegation with half the division involved and we all need to support the team as everybody did on Saturday - both pro and anti-Kean factions gave 100 per cent support to the players on the pitch. The owners and players are clearly fully behind the manager and until that changes discussions about sacking Kean are pointless. While I, as a fan, may have reservations about the manager the fact that the players are fully behind him is all that should matter.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

I couldn't agree more with this mum. This looks like being another dogfight in terms of relegation with half the division involved and we all need to support the team as everybody did on Saturday - both pro and anti-Kean factions gave 100 per cent support to the players on the pitch. The owners and players are clearly fully behind the manager and until that changes discussions about sacking Kean are pointless. While I, as a fan, may have reservations about the manager the fact that the players are fully behind him is all that should matter.

What is also important, as evidenced by the reaction of the fans to the win on Saturday, is that EVERYONE want Rovers to succeed regardless of who the owners and management are and which players are on the pitch.

There was a magnificent atmosphere in the second half and if the players respond to that then it goes a long way to making Ewood a fortress again.

As for Kean, like any manager, his future will be dictated by results.

[tonyoz]

It's feasible to tell the press that he was responsible for changing the veiws of almost 2000 fans - then add that now only 1% of fans are against him being manager, while 99% of fans support him? That's what I call being up his own backside. Everyone loves him.

The correct way to deal with the protest, would have been to say something along the lines of "I understand that some of our fans aren't happy with results to date, but we are all working hard to change that"

I think you are over-analysing here den. He was trying to defend himself and, I'm sure, would have preferred, with hindsight, to have come out with your version - his was clumsy but I never get the impression that he is "up himself". He is positive and enthusiastic - which is why the players like him I reckon. People who meet him come away with a favourable impression - nowt wrong with that!

No, I think he does believe that we are always excellent mum. If does believe that, then there's no chance of us progressing as a team. If he doesn't believe it, then don't say it because fans aren't stupid either. If a team plays poorly, there's far more to be gained by being honest. He doesn't need to say anything like "well, actually the players were rubbish but they are all I have to work with". He just needs to say that the performance wasn't good enough and there's room for improvement - as do most managers when it's so obvious to anyone. He creates his own problems by appearing to be in a different world to everyone else on the planet.

I'm sure I read in the LT that he thought that we had given Arsenal too much respect in the first half. He changed things and rectified it successfully in the 2nd half.

[Rover_Shaun]

Come on mum, you don't believe that 99% of rovers fans back him - do you? You don't believe that we'll be in the CL in 3-4 years do you? You don't think we've only ever "been excellent" for the last 10 months, do you?

You know there is a list a mile long that demonstrates how much bull the man talks. He is up his own backside because he refuses to believe that he's got any real critics and refuses to accept how poor we've been since he arrived. He's full of himself.

Hypothetically. I'm pretty sure people have made inaccurate assesments of your personality from what you post and I'm sure people who have met you would come to a different conclusion. Maybe it's the same with Kean? The media are always after soundbites and quick comments. It's the part of the game I find tediuous and usually take no notice of. I can't ever recall, the few I have seen, a pre-match press conference worth wasting 1 second listening to.

[Ossydave]

Any news on why Scott Dann got called to reception during the interview?

[chris]

Any news on why Scott Dann got called to reception during the interview?

deep down, you don't really care lol

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

No, I think he does believe that we are always excellent mum. If does believe that, then there's no chance of us progressing as a team. If he doesn't believe it, then don't say it because fans aren't stupid either. If a team plays poorly, there's far more to be gained by being honest. He doesn't need to say anything like "well, actually the players were rubbish but they are all I have to work with". He just needs to say that the performance wasn't good enough and there's room for improvement - as do most managers when it's so obvious to anyone. He creates his own problems by appearing to be in a different world to everyone else on the planet.

Though I think he goes over the top with the positive slant on everything - I think it is his management style, which he obviously hopes in the long run will bring greater confidence to what is a young team.

There is also another side - what he says in the media isn't necessarily what he says to the players behind closed doors. Maybe, just maybe, he tries an alternative approach of constructive criticism and help in improving play behind closed doors ?

He is trying to implement a style of football that requires confidence on the ball - that will need to be built up over time.

Personally I think he should occasionally be critical of the team as a whole - and the odd time he has - but he always seems to want to finish on a positive which is what a lot of fans are becoming obsessed with.

Personally I like his positive outlook - if he could just reel it in a little - it is better to be aiming for something other than just survival. What he needs to do - is add some results to back up all his bravado - for the clubs sake I hope he does, because how he wants us to play fills me with hope.

P.S. Have you read Rochina's interview where he describes our training as being very similar to what he had at Barca ?

[philipl]

Met with Kamy yesterday.

First of all an apology is in order from my side. The soft voice saying "good stuff" is in fact Kamy and not Paul Agnew so please accept my apologies for mis-hearing that.

The other points I made in my post about timing of Kean's appointment and who did it and asking questions about factual accuracies still stand so far as I am concerned.

To be honest, I am astonished there hasn't been an apology forthcoming from Steve Kean and the club following the media appearances over the week-end after the Arsenal game.

There is an argument on here that it was an easy mistake to have been made by Steve Kean. For goodness sake, he is the football manager of a £60m pa company with the likes of Paul Agnew paid to avoid Kean making mistakes like that and we are just football supporters following a passion in our spare time. That was a bad mistake to make which I understand might have been made more than once and having become aware of the back correspondence, in my opinion it becomes even more inexcusable and perhaps looks a bit pre-meditated.

[Glenn]

To be honest, I am astonished there hasn't been an apology forthcoming from Steve Kean and the club following the media appearances over the week-end after the Arsenal game.

There is an argument on here that it was an easy mistake to have been made by Steve Kean. For goodness sake, he is the football manager of a £60m pa company with the likes of Paul Agnew paid to avoid Kean making mistakes like that and we are just football supporters following a passion in our spare time. That was a bad mistake to make which I understand might have been made more than once and having become aware of the back correspondence, in my opinion it becomes even more inexcusable and perhaps looks a bit pre-meditated.

Don't worry, part of our new relationship with the club means we've already been talking to PA about this and I'm hoping it'll all be resolved today

[BuckyRover]

Jesus wept

[Amo]

Don't think so Tom.

He's just up his own backside, and he thinks he's above criticism from anyone.

Steve Kean and reality/honesty have never met.

This didn't bother you about Allardyce.

[tonyoz]

To be honest, I am astonished there hasn't been an apology forthcoming from Steve Kean and the club following the media appearances over the week-end after the Arsenal game.

Is this the kamy/protest march comment?

[philipl]

Is this the kamy/protest march comment?

Yes