[Archived] Protest March 17.09.11

[chaddyrovers]

The owners are well aware of whats going on, and what is the problem.....that is clear.

Just an interesting point that the guy who does the sacking isnt Vineeth Rao or any of the guys down at Ewood......

Also as Philip says - its clear that statement has gone via PA.....but it is also clear it was put together mainly of the owners words.

John Williams was the one who had to tell Sam Allardyce that he was fired!!!

Surely if the owners are over this week for the Arsenal game, then surely it be one of them who has to tell Kean you are FIRED!

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[A cup of beans]

protests after the game are hard to organise, too emotional and end up with people drifting away to the boozer/car.

eh ? im confused. so youre saying -people would rather get home or go to the pub, than protest about something they care about ?

remember this is a peaceful protest. so being too emotional wouldnt/ shouldnt be an issue.

on this point.. And as for us winning, this is about Steve Kean's tenure over 9 months. The bloke will win an odd match, as proven thus far, doesn't alter the bigger picture.

again.. confused. so IF rovers win on saturday, and then beat newcastle, youd still want him fired ? even though signs of improvement with our new players ??

[adopted scouser]

Can you imagine a situation where:

2) We actually play well and win playing some good football.

No, can you ? Honestly ?

[chris]

Can you imagine a situation where:

1) A successful march is held before the game.

2) We actually play well and win playing some good football.

3) We move to a mid-table position.

4) Kean is questioned after the game regarding the march and is able to say we've got a good away point at Fulham and followed that up with three points against Arsenal.

Although unlikely, in this situation, a march won't have weakened his position a great deal.

"I thought we were fantastic, we controlled the game, we showed a lot of spirit, I'd like to thank the majority of fans that have backed me"

Can you imagine.

[Mattyblue]

eh ? im confused. so youre saying -people would rather get home or go to the pub, than protest about something they care about ?

remember this is a peaceful protest. so being too emotional wouldnt/ shouldnt be an issue.

Yes, you would have the usual facebook crew chanting abut ramming chickens up arses and Kean's drink driving, but yeah the kind of fan that has signed up for this protest- ie families, first time protesters would not get involved post match.

on this point.. And as for us winning, this is about Steve Kean's tenure over 9 months. The bloke will win an odd match, as proven thus far, doesn't alter the bigger picture.

again.. confused. so IF rovers win on saturday, and then beat newcastle, youd still want him fired ? even though signs of improvement with our new players ??

'what if we win every game from now until May'.

IF by some miracle we did win the next two games then yes, I would still prefer him to leave as I don't think he will get us 40 points, but I would accept he wouldn't be going anywhere.

I am basing my position on 9 months, not a game by game basis.

[A cup of beans]

Yes, you would have the usual facebook crew chanting abut ramming chickens up arses and Kean's drink driving, but yeah the kind of fan that has signed up for this protest- ie families, first time protesters would not get involved post match.

sad inditement of our fans, if you believe that , matty.

with all the media exposure of this march.. maybe you'll still have the facebook brigade anyway ?

lets hope not!

[OJRovers]

If we beat Arsenal (which I hope we do) Kean's record will be:

6 wins from 26

Still shockingly bad and deserving of the sack.

[Henwah]

It does seem like unusual timing having a protest before a match, especially one against opposition that not many teams are expected to get any points from. If we lose, it's expected anyway, if we get a decent result then he's unlikely to be sacked. If we draw/win and Kean isn't sacked will there be another preemptive protest? If we win that game will there be another? I would have thought that protesting after losing a match we should be winning is the surefire way to get a reaction

[DE.]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I still hold some belief that last seasons poor results were partly down to Kean inheriting a squad that had been bought, and drilled to play anti-football . Kean (rightly or wrongly) tried to change the style - this was at the time a big issue for a lot of the supporters who were less supportive of Sam so it's understandable why Kean tried to change things (and no I'm not blaming Sam for Kean's results, I'm blaming Kean for trying to dress brambles up as roses). We also cannot neglect the fact that it hasn't been the cleanest of transitions under the new owners which can't have helped Kean or the players.

He's now got his own players in, so i believe he should get a (last) chance to deliver, no excuses.

In all honesty though i think the 'sack Kean' campaign is now too far down the line for him to recover it, so it's irrelevant

I respectfully disagree, though you put your viewpoint across well.

Fact is the players we had were playing the style of football Allardyce employed because it was the best way to achieve success with them as a group. Many of them were below average in technical ability, but had a strong work ethic and were able to follow instructions well. As soon as we gravitated towards Kean's "style" of football, which to me seems devoid of instructions or tactics, performances dropped because mentally the players aren't at a level where they can be given such free reign on the pitch.

All in my opinion of course, but based on that it is entirely Kean's fault. Well, first and foremost it's the owners' fault for not understanding how limited our squad was and essentially sacking Allardyce for playing the most practical style of football to bring success with that squad of players, but Kean must have assured them the players we had could play a better, more attractive game.

He's got his own players in now but they've been brought in so late in the window that they're not bedded in and aren't ready to play. Kean's been using most of the old players, minus our one young mega-talent who we sold, but isn't using the type of tactics said players can be successful with. I don't think he has the ability or the authority to drill such discipline into them again now it's been lost.

Sadly for Kean we don't really have time to see if he can create a decent team that plays good football - it's reliant on a number of foreign players settling in extremely quickly. most of these players are cheap gambles from low-quality leagues, so the chances of success must surely be low. I think he has to walk - we need a manager in who can get the best out of our more experienced players whilst slowly blooding in our new players in the hope at least some of them will turn into stars. Kean isn't the man to do that, we'll continue to lose whilst he tries and we just can't afford to keep losing. If we give him another 4 or 5 games and he loses them all it's game over. Looking at our upcoming fixture list and taking into account our recent performances (excluding Everton) I think it's a very realistic possibility we won't gain any points under Kean's stewardship in the near future.

[A cup of beans]

'what if we win every game from now until May'.

IF by some miracle we did win the next two games then yes, I would still prefer him to leave as I don't think he will get us 40 points, but I would accept he wouldn't be going anywhere.

I am basing my position on 9 months, not a game by game basis.

so youre not judging him on a game by game basis ? why not ? that is what he should be judged on.

otherwise.. whatever results he gets this season are irrelevant.. cos we struggled last season ?

[Mattyblue]

so youre not judging him on a game by game basis ? why not ? that is what he should be judged on.

otherwise.. whatever results he gets this season are irrelevant.. cos we struggled last season ?

baffling!

No, he wins one game he stays, we lose one game he goes, that is a 'baffling' way to look at things. Judging somebdy over 9 months, looking at his pitiful amount of wins and making a decision seems the correct way to look at it.

[jim mk2]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I still hold some belief that last seasons poor results were partly down to Kean inheriting a squad that had been bought, and drilled to play anti-football .

The squad playing "anti-football" (whatever that is) was a happy, focused organised group that would have been 6th in the table but for an unlucky defeat at Bolton after which the owners saw fit to dispense with the manager. Kean has had more than 25 games in which to organise the team in his own style and the results are there for all to see - a hapless, directionless crew that is unable to win football matches, which is the object of the whole exercise. So yes, you are wrong..

[booth]

No, he wins one game he stays, we lose one game he goes, that is a 'baffling' way to look at things. Judging somebdy over 9 months, looking at his pitiful amount of wins and making a decision seems the correct way to look at it.

Well said.

Has anyone responded to my question yet?

Do any of you believe Kean is the man to take the club forward?

[Kelbo]

so youre not judging him on a game by game basis ? why not ? that is what he should be judged on.

otherwise.. whatever results he gets this season are irrelevant.. cos we struggled last season ?

I judge him on both results and performances and performances havent been good, it may at times look pretty but you need a good shape, need to be organised and to do both of those things you need to be fit and disciplined, we at the moment are none of those things, I have posted numerous times about the poor shape and organisation since Kean took over and even Evra and either one of the Twins at Man U who are quick would struggle in Keans team!!

Indeed, I watched Benfica and Man U last night, did you see the protection the two quick full backs from United were given by their wide midfield players? they worked their socks off for a full 90 minutes.

Thats why he has to go, we are not fit, not discilined, without shape and under Kean, no hope!!

[jim mk2]

Do any of you believe Kean is the man to take the club forward?

Rovers have gone backwards under Kean so Kean has to show great improvement just to get the club back to square one. Silly question anyway on a thread protesting about the manager's shambolic tenure at Ewood Park.

[booth]

Rovers have gone backwards under Kean so Kean has to show great improvement just to get the club back to square one. Silly question anyway on a thread protesting about the manager's shambolic tenure at Ewood Park.

No it isn't a silly question when there are still people who think having Kean in charge is the best thing at the moment, for the club.

I'm trying to understand what the people who are saying "give him more time" are expecting of him. Do they think he may turn it around temporarily which will leave the club in a better position to get a better manager (in which case I believe Venkys would stick with him)?

Or do they genuinely believe that for the long term he can keep the club afloat on the field and behind the scenes?

Or is there some other reason that I haven't been able to work out.

[Henwah]

The squad playing "anti-football" (whatever that is) was a happy, focused organised group that would have been 6th in the table but for an unlucky defeat at Bolton after which the owners saw fit to dispense with the manager. Kean has had more than 25 games in which to organise the team in his own style and the results are there for all to see - a hapless, directionless crew that is unable to win football matches, which is the object of the whole exercise. So yes, you are wrong..

Well done on (part) quoting a point I wasn't even arguing and using it to refute the point I was making, without answering it! Genius

It wasn't about Sam, his sacking, or the pros and cons of percentage football/seeking to stop the opposition playing their game ahead of playing your own (anti-football), that's in the past now.

It was about Kean (perhaps naively) trying to get those players to play in a style that hindsight shows they were largely incapable of (at least at the drop of a hat), and the possibility that things might improve now he has his own players in.

I don't know if that theory is right or wrong as it's based on events which haven't happened yet, in the same way as Kean taking us down currently hasn't

[A cup of beans]

I judge him on both results and performances and performances havent been good,

EVERTON H ?? LAST SEASON WOLVES AWAY, BOLTON H, ARSENAL AWAY, CITY H

so we didnt play well in those games...now ??

[Mattyblue]

EVERTON H ?? LAST SEASON WOLVES AWAY, BOLTON H, ARSENAL AWAY, CITY H

so we didnt play well in those games...now ??

He's not saying we have been crap in every match, was he. You are a rascal zac...

[jim mk2]

It wasn't about Sam, his sacking, or the pros and cons of percentage football/seeking to stop the opposition playing their game ahead of playing your own (anti-football),

Since when has stopping the opposition playing their own game and then imposing your own game been "anti-football" ? Barcelona stop the opposition playing by keeping the ball to themselves, so is that anti-football too ? "Anti-football" is just a lazy, meaningless expression because football is not an aesthetic exercise but a competitive sporting contest between two teams and the manner of how victory is achieve is largely irrelevant. Successful managers understand this but our present incumbent does not,

[LeChuck]

so youre not judging him on a game by game basis ? why not ? that is what he should be judged on.

otherwise.. whatever results he gets this season are irrelevant.. cos we struggled last season ?

OJ Rovers answered that question before you even posted.

By your theory you could sack a manager who has just suffered a defeat on the back of a 10 game winning streak.

Kean's record as Rovers manager is appalling, and will continue to be appalling regardless of the result on Saturday.

[Ferrit]

EVERTON H ?? LAST SEASON WOLVES AWAY, BOLTON H, ARSENAL AWAY, CITY H

so we didnt play well in those games...now ??

Well, we certainly didn't play well in the Bolton game that's for sure. In fact, we would have been lucky had we drawn the game, let alone win.

[glen9mullan]

Just an update guys,

Just got off the phone to the police who I must say have been fantastic

with the ccommunications , as have Ewood Park.

They will be addressing the March tomorrow, i.e conduct,

But the major change is the March will now set off at 11.15 to ensure that we have access to all the stands at Ewood for the march to go around the ground.

They are happy for us to go past the Darwen end but would like this to occur before the Arsenal supporters arrive,

Sorry for an inconveniance and if you can all spread the word thats superb.

We now have lots of people help organise this march and so far.

Danish Sky sports have done- TV interview

Radio Bee- Radio interview

Talk sport-Radio Interview (Aired before tomorrows game)

SportsTonightTV- 2 Tv interview aired live

The Sun- Newspaper interivew

Rockfm-Full interview

BBC Radio Lancs- Live in Studio from half past 7 tomorrow two of the organisers Oztheman and Rover23

BBC NW tonight- Tv Interview to be aired tomorrow,

LET-Full interview

Norwegian TV- Covering march and interview

Sky Tv- covering march and doing interviews

In addition every paper in UK requesting interviews and writing articles already from quotes which have appeared elsewhere.

Australian press, irish press, and other press in Europe requesting interviews and have already done articles.

There is various people doing these interviews who have kindly volunteered to help the March's cause and without them, the fans (Coming), The fans (Supporting who can't attend), The press, The club, The police and all the well wishers this could never have been organised.

This has a world wide audience, Do our town, and yourselves proud by promoting peaceful togetherness, This is your one chance to make a difference.

[Smithyster]

Holy Cow. Most organised protest i've ever seen! Nice one Glen.

Samba pleads with fans

Kean Disappointed

[Ferrit]

I think the performances have been good

There's the problem Steve.

Everything else = the same garbage he's been spouting for months. "We will climb the table" "We will be top 10" "I'm sure we can turn it around"

Doesn't wash anymore.