[Archived] Steve Keans exciting signings

[47er]

I think some of the summer signings could come good, in time, but at the moment there is plenty of question marks.

We don't have time. It was obvious we didn't when he signed them.

[Neil Weaver]

One for our world football watchers - what's Jermaine Jones up to? Is he getting regular games at Schalke or might he be available in Jan, either loan or purchase? I still think if we can get rid of Kean and struggle through till Jan (maybe in the bottom 3, but not adrift), someone of J Jones ilk might just be able to do a job similar to last season. If his wife/family are still local we have to stand a chance of getting him at least for half a season, haven't we?

Yes, I'm desperately looking for some hope to cling to.

[Amo]

Yeah, I still believe our transfer activity wasn't bad, all things considered. It's difficult to judge the players when we've still got this poseur for a manager in charge. We need a manager who can actually assign roles to these players like Goodwillie, Rochina, Formica etc. unlike Kean, who chops and changes every week and doesn't appear to have a gameplan in him.

[philipl]

Ok so I pointed this out midweek, everyone has been saying how great Keans signinngs are how we need to give them 3 months 6months 9 months to settle, but I want to, rightly or wrongly, assess the here and now and the next few months, maybe up to Christmas.

Anderson rating 0: this is obviously a joke vso I'll get this one out the way

Formica rating 6: He might have ability but after 9 months he's looking lightweight, how many games can he go through disapearing from games.

Petrovic rating 3: We lost Jones and Jones and we replaced him with Petrovic BUT we have to wait 3 months or 6 months for him to come good, so instead we are playing Dunn and Lowe in a defnsive position, even though in 3 games he's been worse the Andrews , we needed a player now.

Rochina rating 6: He might have talent but after 9 months he such a danger to his own team mates, I think it might take a year or few years for him to really improve maybe be a star but again this is looking at the now.

Bruno rating 0: Again the future Dennis Irwin just lloks like a waste of money.

Goodwillie: rating 4: in terms of impact I was hoping he would really hit the ground running, but I didn't see anything in his play to suggest this will be his year.

Yakubu: rating 7 Two goals on debut brilliant, obviouslyquiet today and not his fault, he probably deserves a 9 but he is pretty famous for being a fast starter and bombing, where as the other are unknowns.

Simon rating 6: according to Kean this guy is going to take time to adapt, so ANOTHER player who will take 3 months, 6 months

Dann rating 6: I like Dann but distribution and some dodgy moments today were a little worrying.

I have to point out all of the player truely have the POTENTIAL to be 9's!!!!!!!, I am just taking about now and the near future.

Are players with potential going to save Kean's neck.

I am going to post without re-reading in fear of a crash

Average score 4.2 out of 10

P.s. before anyone says Chris we need to give them all time, Formica look 9 months, just remember we are 18th.

Sadly, those ratings are looking very generous chris.

Dann and Yakubu's waistline excepted, there isn't a solid tackle in the signings Kean has made. We simply surrender midfield.

Watching Phil Jones' performances so far this season, he would have kept us up on his own! He would also have been playing his laat season at Ewood now if Sam hadn't been sacked.

[47er]

Yeah, I still believe our transfer activity wasn't bad, all things considered. It's difficult to judge the players when we've still got this poseur for a manager in charge. We need a manager who can actually assign roles to these players like Goodwillie, Rochina, Formica etc. unlike Kean, who chops and changes every week and doesn't appear to have a gameplan in him.

He's a rotten manager you agree? Could you at least consider the possibility that his dealings in the transfer market are as bad as everything else he does?

Apart from Dann none of them look much cop to me.

You could judge Ribeiro and Myles Anderton I'd suggest------by their absence. What do they suggest to you?

[tony gale's mic]

I do agree that with some of the players it is hard to judge them fully.

But I think we've essentially signed a bunch of highlights players by the looks of it.

[Mattyblue]

I've said it before, signing a load of unproven, cheap foreigners (Goodwillie

included) whilst letting go a host of experience was a bad, bad transfer policy

a decent budget, wasted on Kean's vanity project in which he throws together a sparkling side of total football. Easy ay?

[imy9]

The one thing I would say about the players is that they need time.

I'd expect them to be settled in by the new year. Being injured like Goodwillie has and played out of position too does not help them.

Pet will come good,i have no doubts.

[cn174]

The one thing I would say about the players is that they need time.

I'd expect them to be settled in by the new year. Being injured like Goodwillie has and played out of position too does not help them.

Pet will come good,i have no doubts.

We don't have time.

[BRFC1995]

cisse 6 in 7 this season

ba 4 in 6 this season

we were linked to talent and ended up with dross, rovers pr leak one thing with absolutely no intention of backing it up then all of a sudden we find some apparently better who suprisingly costs peanuts.

keep j jones and never sign anyone of keans other signings, can anyone possibly argue we would'nt be in a better position now. Chrst keep bert over all his signings and we are better off.

[tony gale's mic]

cisse 6 in 7 this season

ba 4 in 6 this season

we were linked to talent and ended up with dross, rovers pr leak one thing with absolutely no intention of backing it up then all of a sudden we find some apparently better who suprisingly costs peanuts.

keep j jones and never sign anyone of keans other signings, can anyone possibly argue we would'nt be in a better position now. Chrst keep bert over all his signings and we are better off.

Letting Bert go was one of the biggest mistakes we've made this summer. We were never going to keep Phil Jones once Man U got the release fee, but Bert couldve done a good job at right back and provided some steel in centre mid too.

[den]

Got slaughteres by DGS and Topman for saying weeks ago that Petrovic and Goodwillie aren't Premier League players.

As for the signings, well as some people have said, we don't have a player in midfield who can put a real tackle in. Add to that - yesterday we had only one player who can go past an opponent, Hoilett.

Recipe for Championship football.

Buy first division players, get first division football.

[chris]

I've said it before, signing a load of unproven, cheap foreigners (Goodwillie

included) whilst letting go a host of experience was a bad, bad transfer policy

a decent budget, wasted on Kean's vanity project in which he throws together a sparkling side of total football. Easy ay?

Yeah really well said, vanity project, it's exactly what it is.

I think its a near impossible task.

I believe that what managers learn by working their way to the top is vanity football, luxury player are not the answer.

Kean having no experience and being very deluded will learn this the hard way and it will probably equal relegation.

[philipl]

The one thing I would say about the players is that they need time.

I'd expect them to be settled in by the new year. Being injured like Goodwillie has and played out of position too does not help them.

Pet will come good,i have no doubts.

Don't know whether either of them are capable of being trained ho to run properly.

[imy9]

I don't know philip, would think that a fitness coach would help in this matter and by all accounts our new one is highly rated.

[chaddyrovers]

can i just ask what exciting players has kean bought in???

apart from dann and yak, he has bought in players who will take 6 to 12 months to settle in the premier league and far too many fair players and players like BR and MA who both will never been good enough for the PL level.

Plus we need another striker aswell because apart from Yak we have got nobody who can score goals. Roberts is not PL standard anymore and Goodwillie is unproven in the PL and yet again will time a season to get use to the PL.

Plus kean did not buy a proper specialist Left Back in the summer and NOT a replacement for Salgado who legs have gone and wingers with pace will always get pass him. These were to position that we need strenght for sure instead we brought in two never PL quality full backs proper not even League 2 standard quality players.

[Amo]

He's a rotten manager you agree? Could you at least consider the possibility that his dealings in the transfer market are as bad as everything else he does?

Where do we differentiate between Kean's signings and Kean's results?

We keep saying that we need an experienced manager, so we must think the team is better than we're seeing, right?

Apart from Dann none of them look much cop to me.

Is that down to the players or down to the manager?

We've had good teams before ruined by inadequate managers (Hodgson, Kidd, Ince...). I feel there's a lot to come from certain players that we're missing out on due to bad management.

You could judge Ribeiro and Myles Anderton I'd suggest------by their absence. What do they suggest to you?

Duds. I wasn't expecting anything from either of 'em.

Got slaughteres by DGS and Topman for saying weeks ago that Petrovic and Goodwillie aren't Premier League players.

Not quite. You got "slaughtered" for dismissing players before they're barely kicked a ball in anger.

There's a plethora of Rovers players who have been written off early doors only to prove the doubters wrong once they've settled in. Not saying that Goodwillie & Petrovic will adhere to that (and I never did), but I don't see why you're being so pompous.

[Tom]

Watching Phil Jones' performances so far this season, he would have kept us up on his own! He would also have been playing his laat season at Ewood now if Sam hadn't been sacked.

That sounds like rubbish to me theres no way he would have turned Fergie down

[den]

Not quite. You got "slaughtered" for dismissing players before they're barely kicked a ball in anger.

There's a plethora of Rovers players who have been written off early doors only to prove the doubters wrong once they've settled in. Not saying that Goodwillie & Petrovic will adhere to that (and I never did), but I don't see why you're being so pompous.

3 games isn't "before they've barely kicked a ball in anger". Nor am I interested in other people writing players off Topman. If you know anything at all about football, you can see fairly early on what the attributes of a player are. Youth scouts, coaches and managers make decisions about a players chances of succeeding very quickly indeed. Particularly if there are glaring weaknesses.

[Amo]

3 games isn't "before they've barely kicked a ball in anger".

Three games is absolutely nothing in which to make a sweeping judgement of a player.

Nor am I interested in other people writing players off Topman.

Of course not, 'cos it undermines your argument.

If you know anything at all about football, you can see fairly early on what the attributes of a player are. Youth scouts, coaches and managers make decisions about a players chances of succeeding very quickly indeed. Particularly if there are glaring weaknesses.

Then, pray tell, why aren't you a youth scout, coach, or manager if you're so adept at assessing players after a few games?

It's never as clear cut as that, and you know it. Plenty of players have slipped through the net, only to make their name at another club when no one else was willing to take a chance on them. We've had a few of them, for starters.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Three games is absolutely nothing in which to make a sweeping judgement of a player.

Of course not, 'cos it undermines your argument.

Then, pray tell, why aren't you a youth scout, coach, or manager if you're so adept at assessing players after a few games?

It's never as clear cut as that, and you know it. Plenty of players have slipped through the net, only to make their name at another club when no one else was willing to take a chance on them. We've had a few of them, for starters.

Three games is enough for me. There's not many slip through that net.

[joey_big_nose]

3 games isn't "before they've barely kicked a ball in anger". Nor am I interested in other people writing players off Topman. If you know anything at all about football, you can see fairly early on what the attributes of a player are. Youth scouts, coaches and managers make decisions about a players chances of succeeding very quickly indeed. Particularly if there are glaring weaknesses.

To be fair Hoilett, Bentley and Olsson all looked no great shakes after three games at the club. Pedersen was also very weak for his first season here. It took time for them to show their quality.

There is a decent chance that most of the purchases will turn into good players bt the problem is that we have too many of them at once to help them develop properly. Really we should probably just have Hoilett, Olsson, Nzonzi and Lowe on the pitch at any one time. Everybody else should have a bit of experience. I can;t really see where Goodwillie, Rochina, Formica, Petrovic are going to fit in if we are going to stay up.

[chris]

SO Steve Kean's signings 15th October update

Positives

Dann playing ok although not great and no clean sheets yet

Negatives

Formica: Dropped

Rochina Dropped

Goodwillie: Dropped

Yakubu: Dropped

Simon: Dropped

Anderson: Never played

Bruno: Never played

Petrovic: Worse player we have seen in years

Verdict: Rubbish signings a big contribution to being 20th

But I'm sure they will come good in 9 to 48 months, so fingers crossed.

Kean is living off being given two great players in Hoilett and Olsson and Samba and Robinson at the back.

I think if we stay up this year its going to be the old school who do it, I hope Yakubu hits some form, we needed him.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

One question - how many are Kean's signings ?

It was widely publicised that we had a far more interesting list of players prior to the Venky's having their "troubles" with bank loans.

I really don't know whether Kean is picking these players - or is just the lackey expected to mould a team from players picked by somebody else. Kean would never admit to this of course.

[beerwins]

One question - how many are Kean's signings ?

It was widely publicised that we had a far more interesting list of players prior to the Venky's having their "troubles" with bank loans.

I really don't know whether Kean is picking these players - or is just the lackey expected to mould a team from players picked by somebody else. Kean would never admit to this of course.

Well Rochina and Formica were, I dont think Petrovic was as it was clearly documented that Kean wanted Witsel who is a damn sight better, I dont think Yak would have been his choice, we had plenty of strikers on the radar before we ended up with Yak, Goodwille I would have thought would have been his with the scottish connection, Simon V.........no idea.

All that said they are the wrong sort of players anyway.