[Archived] Preview of Man City 1st Oct

[den]

Let's be honest, there was no way in hell we were going to compete against Citeh yesterday.

We might not beat City, but we sure as hell can compete with them. Yesterdays efforts should have embarrassed the owners, manager and players.

[ancient]

ok matty and sorry ancient, didnt mean to call you a nobend, your not just winds me up when people deny how passionate people like me are.

Apology accepted roverandout, i to marched in the rain but just felt yesterday there were to many people on their backsides while a few stood up and made their feelings known. KEAN OUT

[Veevs]

I do worry for any new manager who comes in.. Keans signings are just not ready and we have some big holes in the first team lineup.

Only Dann from his signings has looked anywhere near PL standard..

Goodwillie - Not a winger and not ready to start in the striker role

Simon - Attacking mid but not deemed good enough to start

Formica - Promising start to season but has faded quickly, didn't start against city

Rochina - Didn't start against city, not a winger, and overly selfish with the ball

Petrovic - No where near ready, one of the worst players on the pitch for us, but to early to write him off

the Yak - Did nothing, you might as well not play him with that formation because he isn't mobile enough to work as a lone striker without support

[chris]

but is it not a case that particularly Kean signings were not good enough to compete.

How you think Dann, Petrovic, Goodwillie and Yakubu did yesterday?

That team that Kean played could have never won that game no matter what the tactics were.

I'm sure Sam would have signed different player and used a idfference system, that could have helped.

Sam rarely signed luxary players like Kean is signing.

Our luxury players cost 2 million and man city's cost 30 million.

With the stupid money Man city have its a little unfair.

[mhead]

Good Manager and still the jugernauts roll on!

Bolton 0 Chelsea 4.....after only 26 minutes.

Coyle OUT ??

[Mattyblue]

For Christ sake mhead, it's not solely about yesterday is it!

This is months of pent up frustration boiling over.

[broadsword]

I do worry for any new manager who comes in.. Keans signings are just not ready and we have some big holes in the first team lineup.

Only Dann from his signings has looked anywhere near PL standard..

Goodwillie - Not a winger and not ready to start in the striker role

Simon - Attacking mid but not deemed good enough to start

Formica - Promising start to season but has faded quickly, didn't start against city

Rochina - Didn't start against city, not a winger, and overly selfish with the ball

Petrovic - No where near ready, one of the worst players on the pitch for us, but to early to write him off

the Yak - Did nothing, you might as well not play him with that formation because he isn't mobile enough to work as a lone striker without support

And would you say the "holes" were the lack of decent full-backs, a defensive midfielder, and at least one decent premiership striker?

In actual fact, I think we may also be short of a winger as well who can play week-in, week-out at this level.

It's too easy to score goals against us, and we don't score enough ourselves.

[philipl]

Arsenal have sold their star players are not the force they were and I said we would have to be LUCKY, we were very lucky.

Man City have invested something like half a billion.

The only way I could see us beating Man City was if we put a bus infront of the goal.

I'm not denying that big team lose to small clubs, but its fairly rare.

As much as I dislike Kean, we have to consider that Man City are justr a much much better side.

That Silva is magic, and Nasri too and their £30 million fourth choice striker had a decent game too.

Fulham very nearly beat City two weeks ago.

[Pugg]

Good Manager and still the jugernauts roll on!

Bolton 0 Chelsea 4.....after only 26 minutes.

Coyle OUT ??

Bolton are all over the place. They had an awful end to the season and are having an awful start. The fans are starting to look angry and some are starting to question coyle. If he has a run as bad as kean's over 28 games I bet they'll start to want coyle out.

It is a different situation too...coyle actually had some experience before he took over Bolton.

Edit: damn iPhone autocorrect

[tony gale's mic]

Good Manager and still the jugernauts roll on!

Bolton 0 Chelsea 4.....after only 26 minutes.

Coyle OUT ??

Coyle will rightly be afforded more time than Kean ought to get because he's been successful in the past.

It's not rocket science, yet you still seem to want to give Kean more time.

The mind boggles.

[roverandout]

because mhead seems like an emptyhead.

[Guest Wen Y Hu]

Parsonblue's match report for the City game is now published to the front page here.

[cn174]

Parsonblue's match report for the City game is now published to the front page here.

excellent as usual

[Balwer]

Coyle has done rather poorly since January. They were high up the table for a while last year and finished about level with us, and that form has continued on this season. Perhaps that's why Nicko thinks Kean is a good manager, because he thinks Coyle is a top one. Must be a selective patriotic blindness. Still, would take Coyle in a heartbeat at Rovers considering the current alternative.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Parsonblue's match report for the City game is now published to the front page here.

Thanks for that Parson.

[Veevs]

but is it not a case that particularly Kean signings were not good enough to compete.

How you think Dann, Petrovic, Goodwillie and Yakubu did yesterday?

That team that Kean played could have never won that game no matter what the tactics were.

I'm sure Sam would have signed different player and used a idfference system, that could have helped.

Sam rarely signed luxary players like Kean is signing.

Our luxury players cost 2 million and man city's cost 30 million.

With the stupid money Man city have its a little unfair.

It's the performance more than anything Chris.. I would of been no where near as critical if they had of put in a performance like Norwich did away at Old Trafford.

And to me it was Keans signings/promotions that performed badly as well as his tactics.. Robinson, Samba, Olsson, Nzonzi and Jnr where actually the better players on the pitch.. having EHD and Emerton on the right would of helped, the tactics would of been very different, hell I would argue even Andrews for all his sins would of done better than petrovic yesterday, at least Andrews showed a little passion to make up for his lack of skill.

For me Kean is a fool of the highest order for taking the gamble he has done with our club, we have so many cheap youngsters vying for the same positions it is more than luxury it's plain stupid. He not only signed players who would not be ready, he signed players in the wrong positions and expected them to be playing from the off. Only 4 of Keans signings started the game yesterday, we would of been in a far better position if instead of buying 7 cheap kids we spent the money a little more appropriatly and bought less but better quality experienced players who would of been a benefit to the first 11. And please do not tell me they where not available.

Says it all for me when Kean played Goodwillie on the right.. when we have so many other players that he signed who are natural attacking midfielders it beggers belief.

And Bryan spot on... it's not rocket science is it? And even Kean knew what we needed as thats the positions he talked about signing players in.. Only 1st team candidate we signed in my eyes was Dann and that was for a position where we already had Hanley, Givet and Nelsen as competition, he had said we needed a backup central defender and I agree with that but 6m on a first teamer we don't need was stupid.

[tony gale's mic]

And Bryan spot on... it's not rocket science is it? And even Kean knew what we needed as thats the positions he talked about signing players in.. Only 1st team candidate we signed in my eyes was Dann and that was for a position where we already had Hanley, Givet and Nelsen as competition, he had said we needed a backup central defender and I agree with that but 6m on a first teamer we don't need was stupid.

I don't know, it wasn't the signing of Dann that was the issue for me. That was a good signing, Givet is often needed at LB, Nelsen's legs have gone and still not convinced Hanley is ready for regular first team football. That was a good signing and investment in defence was crucial for us.

What was bad was all the money we've spent on attacking midfielder/support striker types like Rocinha, Formica, Goodwillie, Vukcevic, Slew etc. We didn't need anywhere near that many.

[Veevs]

I don't know, it wasn't the signing of Dann that was the issue for me. That was a good signing, Givet is often needed at LB, Nelsen's legs have gone and still not convinced Hanley is ready for regular first team football. That was a good signing and investment in defence was crucial for us.

What was bad was all the money we've spent on attacking midfielder/support striker types like Rocinha, Formica, Goodwillie, Vukcevic, Slew etc. We didn't need anywhere near that many.

Didn't say it was a bad signing mate, I reckon Dann is a very good signing but to much of a luxury when others where available.. just that to me we would of been better spending the cash on a midfield general as it stands whats the point in having a good central defense if the opposition have free reign in the middle of the park.

[ancient]

Observation test, our game shown on sky and match of the day,at the end of the game was steve kean genuinly scratching his nose or was he snubbing his nose at the fans, for those not familiar with snubbing nose its a gesture similar to a V sign i know what i think what about you guys

[Muddboy]

Parsonblue's match report for the City game is now published to the front page here.

Excellent report on yesterday's game. Sums our problems – on and off the field – up perfectly.

[chris]

It's the performance more than anything Chris.. I would of been no where near as critical if they had of put in a performance like Norwich did away at Old Trafford.

And to me it was Keans signings/promotions that performed badly as well as his tactics.. Robinson, Samba, Olsson, Nzonzi and Jnr where actually the better players on the pitch.. having EHD and Emerton on the right would of helped, the tactics would of been very different, hell I would argue even Andrews for all his sins would of done better than petrovic yesterday, at least Andrews showed a little passion to make up for his lack of skill.

For me Kean is a fool of the highest order for taking the gamble he has done with our club, we have so many cheap youngsters vying for the same positions it is more than luxury it's plain stupid. He not only signed players who would not be ready, he signed players in the wrong positions and expected them to be playing from the off. Only 4 of Keans signings started the game yesterday, we would of been in a far better position if instead of buying 7 cheap kids we spent the money a little more appropriatly and bought less but better quality experienced players who would of been a benefit to the first 11. And please do not tell me they where not available.

Says it all for me when Kean played Goodwillie on the right.. when we have so many other players that he signed who are natural attacking midfielders it beggers belief.

And Bryan spot on... it's not rocket science is it? And even Kean knew what we needed as thats the positions he talked about signing players in.. Only 1st team candidate we signed in my eyes was Dann and that was for a position where we already had Hanley, Givet and Nelsen as competition, he had said we needed a backup central defender and I agree with that but 6m on a first teamer we don't need was stupid.

great post.

Regarding the CB part, I was a little annoyed at Kean starting the season without enough cover at CB with Nelsen injured, Jones gone and Samba struggling two weeks before.

I was even more disappointed that Blackburn had wasted 3 or 4 week negoiating for a 1 million pound USA defender that was earnig about £800 a week when othercclubs were signing Brown, O'shea, Woodgate, Upson.

Kean shoots himself in the foot and then has to nerve to say, don't judge me for that, judge me at the end of the window.

There are so many little things Kean does that just build up and build up.

[m1st]

Well, here I am on page 30-something of the Preview of yesterday's game!

I just wish that someone could knock into Kean's apparently thick skull that what we need are:

two full-backs [one left-; one right-] who are used to playing in their position [rather than having a centre-half, playing out of position at left back];

a defensive midfielder playing as [say] Billy McKinlay or Jermaine Jones used to. Setting out the team that way might enable us to play at least one winger [i'm thinking, for those of my generation, Mike Harrison] who could feed the Yak, and, hopefully, playing off him, Good Wullie.

[47er]

I don't know, it wasn't the signing of Dann that was the issue for me. That was a good signing, Givet is often needed at LB, Nelsen's legs have gone and still not convinced Hanley is ready for regular first team football. That was a good signing and investment in defence was crucial for us.

What was bad was all the money we've spent on attacking midfielder/support striker types like Rocinha, Formica, Goodwillie, Vukcevic, Slew etc. We didn't need anywhere near that many.

We needed fewer and of quality. Certainly agree he got it wrong there.

The worst aspect of this is the ditching of Emerton and Diouf. Both would have been invaluable yesterday.

The decision looks even more stupid now than it did then.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

We needed fewer and of quality. Certainly agree he got it wrong there.

The worst aspect of this is the ditching of Emerton and Diouf. Both would have been invaluable yesterday.

The decision looks even more stupid now than it did then.

Not so sure about Diouf - I think the fact he didn't quickly get another club speaks volumes. Emerton on the other hand was a huge loss. He may not be the star player every match - but he always put in 100% - and was still mobile and quick enough to provide much needed pace to the team. Emerton could have played right back or right midfield yesterday and improved the team.

I also think we may regret not paying a little over the odds to get J.Jones back - his mobility is in stark contrast to our current midfield.

[Miker]

Releasing Emerton and Diouf was a really stupid move. The failure to sign full backs for competition was also a massive mistake. Considering Givet is better at CB and Olsson is better on the wing, we effectively needed a quality LB to be added to the squad. If we had Givet at CB then we didn't need to buy an expensive CB in Dann. If we had Olsson on the wing then we didn't need to buy so many wingers/attacking midfielders.

We should've spent the money on some defensive midfielders, full backs and a quality striker. We should've been concentrating on building up a solid team like Stoke's, but instead we tried building a second-rate Arsenal.