[Archived] Protest at the City match.

[Gav]

Nah, had we kept JW at the club we could have at least been a mid table PL side for quite a while IMO. We'd had four top 10 finishes in 5 seasons, the only exception being the Ince season.

With a club like ours that's pretty much the limit of our ambitions without massive outside investment.

Oh, by all means make an exception.

There's no way I would have actually said that since I do go to games, I just don't have a season ticket.

You're making things up, whether it's intentionally or not I'm not sure. I hope for your sake its unintentional as if its intentional it would make you a very sad man.

You do come over for games I know that, just not that many, then you try telling someone who has been coming for 40yrs they don't deserve to support the club, the mind boggles

Not falling out with you, I like being mates with you again

[he6rt6gr6m]

Laying the blame for Allardyces sacking at the feet of supporters is absolute BUNKUM.

BUNKUM? I'm sorry, I speak English. What is that?

The fans played no part in his sacking whatsoever, do you actually go to games? if so can you tell me 1 instance of Allardyce out bellowing from the terraces, or protests? anything that contributed to him getting the boot?

I've already covered this in a previous reply. They played some part. Not all, but some.

There was a few people being vocal about Sam in the Blackburn End during the Sam's reign, and that's a fact. The Portsmouth game (3-1) when we were losing at HT, I distinctly remember, because of our crappy away form. Nothing as major as what we've seen recently, that's for sure. But we weren't in as much of a pickle as we are now.

[chaddyrovers]

If I recall right Jol was the popular choice

Jol would have been on my shortlist and probably been 1st choice in my view. He has PL experience.

[he6rt6gr6m]

unbelievable!!! so a section of the fans are to blame for the fact were in a mess now are they?

Yup. Venky's said they read this board, and this board was full of people wanting him out. Those fans aren't fully to blame, but I'll always hold them partially responsible.

[sambo]

Why do threads always get bitchy as hell?

Nobody 'doesn't deserve to support the club'. Ridiculous comment to be fair TGM, I agreed with your entire post but that comment at the end left a sour taste.

Can we not just unite and agree we all want Kean out?

Some wanted Big Sam out, some didn't. Those who did DIDN'T want Kean as manager. I don't agree with our sacking of Big Sam but appointing Kean was the greatest crime.

[T.J.Newton]

John Williams left of his own accord by all accounts, if he really wanted to stay I'm sure he could have fought his corner and come and made the venkys see sense, Maybe Williams knew city wanted him there(where hell be paid a vastly hire salary) and thats why he chose to leave, As for Allardyce get over it hes long long gone(do you think hes thinking of rovers now).

[he6rt6gr6m]

If I recall right Jol was the popular choice

When Sam was relieved, I actually backed McClaren.

[tony gale's mic]

You do come over for games I know that, just not that many, then you try telling someone who has been coming for 40yrs they don't deserve to support the club, the mind boggles

Not falling out with you, I like being mates with you again

I came over about once a month when in Leeds, now I'm living in Blackburn for a few months but doing agency work before I move to Australia I went to Wolves, Arsenal and Everton. Plenty of games either way. I wouldn't use that in any sort of argument against someone who lived in China or South Africa and couldnt make any games though.

I haven't been alive for anything like 40 years so that isn't really a factor either.

But it doesn't matter if someone has been going for 40 years or whether they're in their first season, it's unfathomable that anyone would get bored by seeing their team winning football matches as we did regularly under Sam, especially at Ewood.

[NeRvOuS Wr3Ck]

Blackburn's owners are under renewed pressure from their disenchanted fans to sack manager Steve Kean, who reacted to a post-match sit-in protest by saying he expects the Indian businessmen to back him.

Kean has won just three of his last 21 Premier League games and only one this season - the 4-3 victory over Arsenal courtesy of two own goals by the Gunners.

But he said: 'The owners have backed me from day one, so I'd expect them to back me until we get a more positive vein of form.'

Sources in India told the Mail on Sunday last night that the club's co-owner, Anuradha Desai, was still resolutely supportive of Kean, despite the results.

It is understood that there is some private acknowledgement that change will be needed in the event that Blackburn hit the bottom of the table and start to become detached from the pack.

But with the bottom clubs still tightly bunched and one win enough to propel any side several places, nothing as concrete as a short-list of replacements has been drawn up.

The mood was ugly in the stands yesterday, with 'Kean Out' banners and chants and then a post-match sit-in by about 300 angry supporters that was still going on an hour after the final whistle.

Kean said: 'I don't know what the percentage of fans [against me] is. But I'd rather they vented their anger at me than at the players. I'll take the criticism on my shoulders.'

The behind-the-scenes disruption continues apace, with Kean's deputy John Jensen losing his job this week for reasons still be to confirmed.

A long line of executives and other staff have left during the Venky's era. Kean keeps repeating that he, too, is unhappy with results but expects things to come good.

But he seems increasingly deluded, suggesting that it was a positive thing that Blackburn had not conceded for the first 55 minutes.

After getting beaten 4-0 by Manchester City, such logic deserves no place in his post-match rationale.

Kean will see the owners this week as the club go on a short tour of India, with a friendly against a side from Pune on Friday.

[tony gale's mic]

John Williams left of his own accord by all accounts, if he really wanted to stay I'm sure he could have fought his corner and come and made the venkys see sense, Maybe Williams knew city wanted him there(where hell be paid a vastly hire salary) and thats why he chose to leave, As for Allardyce get over it hes long long gone(do you think hes thinking of rovers now).

JW left because he was marginalised by Venky's to the extent that his input was deemed worthless.

He couldn't make Venky's see sense if they wouldn't listen, that was the whole reason why he left.

[mark1875]

Yup. Venky's said they read this board, and this board was full of people wanting him out. Those fans aren't fully to blame, but I'll always hold them partially responsible.

so you posting that you do not want Kean sacked, therefore by your logic you are partially to blame for him still having a job??

[Gav]

BUNKUM? I'm sorry, I speak English. What is that?

I've already covered this in a previous reply. They played some part. Not all, but some.

There was a few people being vocal about Sam in the Blackburn End during the Sam's reign, and that's a fact. The Portsmouth game (3-1) when we were losing at HT, I distinctly remember, because of our crappy away form. Nothing as major as what we've seen recently, that's for sure. But we weren't in as much of a pickle as we are now.

Noun 1. bunkum - unacceptable behavior (especially ludicrously false statements)

Well I never heard the fans turn on Allardyce he6rt6gr6m, and IMO they played no part in his sacking whatsoever.

[chris]

JW left because he was marginalised by Venky's to the extent that his input was deemed worthless.

He couldn't make Venky's see sense if they wouldn't listen, that was the whole reason why he left.

Also I believe and sure others do, that JW knew Kean was a fraud and he would have NEVER hired him or sacked Sam.

Kean's and JW's relationship totally broke down.

If JW had stayed I don't see how it could have worked.

[he6rt6gr6m]

I came over about once a month when in Leeds, now I'm living in Blackburn for a few months but doing agency work before I move to Australia I went to Wolves, Arsenal and Everton. Plenty of games either way. I wouldn't use that in any sort of argument against someone who lived in China or South Africa and couldnt make any games though.

Sounds like you're justifying yourself to someone, and you really don't need to. If they're low enough to question your love for the club by basing it on how many games you go to, then more fool them.

I haven't been alive for anything like 40 years so that isn't really a factor either.

But it doesn't matter if someone has been going for 40 years or whether they're in their first season, it's unfathomable that anyone would get bored by seeing their team winning football matches as we did regularly under Sam, especially at Ewood.

That was my theory on it. A win is a win, and would be celebrated in the same way. Changing the brand of football with the same players was a risk, especially with players like Pedersen who just gives the ball away when attempting to pass. The risk hasn't paid off, and now we need someone who will b*ll*ck the players for doing such things. Like Hughes.

[mark1875]

Noun 1. bunkum - unacceptable behavior (especially ludicrously false statements)

Well I never heard the fans turn on Allardyce he6rt6gr6m, and IMO they played no part in his sacking whatsoever.

they didnt turn on Allardyce against Portsmouth he is exaggerating it, at 1-0 down just before half time and a minority of supporters began chanting 4-4-2. Sam changed it to 4-3-3 at half time and we won the game 3-1

turning on allardyce was not the description i would use

[he6rt6gr6m]

so you posting that you do not want Kean sacked, therefore by your logic you are partially to blame for him still having a job??

I'm sorry, what? I said if someone was lined up to replace him, I'd happily pack his bags for him.

Huh...

Well I never heard the fans turn on Allardyce

How convenient. It happened. Not all fans, and not as vocal as yesterday. I'm most certainly not counting the number of members here that wanted his head on here.

[mark1875]

I'm sorry, what? I said if someone was lined up to replace him, I'd happily pack his bags for him.

Huh...

http://www.roversfans.co.uk/venkys/cordon-off-the-statue-of-uncle-jack-the-march-is-on/

I don’t want rid of Kean. I’m saying ‘who wouldn’t take Hughes?’

I don’t like Kean’s current record. But I’m not opening the exit door for him either.

comments like that are the reason he still has a job, according to your logic? no?

[Gav]

How convenient. It happened. Not all fans, and not as vocal as yesterday. I'm most certainly not counting the number of members here that wanted his head on here.

Not convenient he6rt6gr6m, it didn't happen as far as I'm concerned, certainly not in the Blackburn End anyway.

[PAFELL]

Maybe nothing. But been mentioned on sky tv. KEAN MEETING WITH OWNERS AFTER 4-0 DEFEAT TO MAN CITY. Could be just about india trip. But fingers crossed he is getting sacked.

[Mattyblue]

There were plonkers chanting the braindead '442' and booing when we were 3-0 up against Wolves.

But, to be fair to the anti Sam brigade (which I rarely am) there was never a clamour for his removal on the terraces, just their usual grumbling.

[he6rt6gr6m]

http://www.roversfans.co.uk/venkys/cordon-off-the-statue-of-uncle-jack-the-march-is-on/

I don’t want rid of Kean. I’m saying ‘who wouldn’t take Hughes?’

I don’t like Kean’s current record. But I’m not opening the exit door for him either.

comments like that are the reason he still has a job, according to your logic? no?

Yes? I didn't want him FIRED. The best thing would have been for him to resign, openly admitting to being out of his depth... in an ideal world.

If you're going to bring something to the forefront of a conversation, check the date. That post is from over two weeks ago. Since then, we've lost two games. I set my personal target for him, which was 4pts from the Newcastle, City and QPR games, which I stated a couple of pages back. He's failed that task with one game remaining from those three. Therefore, he's failed in my eyes, and should now be forced out.

Or am I not allowed to change my mind?

Not convenient he6rt6gr6m, it didn't happen as far as I'm concerned, certainly not in the Blackburn End anyway.

It is convenient, and fits perfectly for you because I have no hard evidence that it happened. Mainly because I don't get my phone out and record every chant that happens in the stands.

Someone said people were grumbling and moaning, chanting 4-4-2. So, it wasn't just me hearing them.

[jim mk2]

Well I never heard the fans turn on Allardyce he6rt6gr6m, and IMO they played no part in his sacking whatsoever.

According to you, you and your group of "fans" were against Sam and wanted him out.

You celebrated Sam's departure on here for some time after he had gone.

Revisionism or gross hypocrisy ?

[mark1875]

Yes? I didn't want him FIRED. The best thing would have been for him to resign, openly admitting to being out of his depth... in an ideal world.

If you're going to bring something to the forefront of a conversation, check the date. That post is from over two weeks ago. Since then, we've lost two games. I set my personal target for him, which was 4pts from the Newcastle, City and QPR games, which I stated a couple of pages back. He's failed that task with one game remaining from those three. Therefore, he's failed in my eyes, and should now be forced out.

Or am I not allowed to change my mind?

so people like you who post that you don't want him sacked and he should be given the newcastle, city and q.p.r games are therefore partly responsible for the fact he was given them? and therefore your partly responsible for the fact we have zero points from the last 2 matches? by your logic of course

and course your allowed to change your mind and admit you was categorically wrong, the same as people are allowed to admit they were wrong and would have Sam back like a shot!

If your blaming people for their posts influencing the owners decisions, yours are as equally detrimental

[dazmaz]

People did grumble under sam, however I never once heard "you dont know what your doing" or "we want sam out"

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Sources in India told the Mail on Sunday last night that the club's co-owner, Anuradha Desai, was still resolutely supportive of Kean, despite the results.

And here Ladies and Gents is the root of our problem.

Our Chicken mother overlord,who openly admits to knowing nothing about football and is more of a Cricket fan,is making the decisions at the very top....unguided,nieve and she appears answerable to no one.

I have NEVER known a similar situation as this before in football.

OMFG!