[Archived] Venky's - Do You Support Them As Owners Of The Club?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

There is a very simple message coming over here.

The Venky's ownership has zero credibility and not a cat in hell's chance of beginning to rebuild from their catastrophically bad first year until Steve Kean is sacked and replaced by a seriously good and credible manager of unambiguous Premier League quality.

What is your opinion of Ali Syed's ownership credibility in Spain?

[sijoco]

There is a very simple message coming over here.

The Venky's ownership has zero credibility and not a cat in hell's chance of beginning to rebuild from their catastrophically bad first year until Steve Kean is sacked and replaced by a seriously good and credible manager of unambiguous Premier League quality.

As far as l'm concerned that'd sum it up perfectly Philip.

[Pugg]

What is your opinion of Ali Syed's ownership credibility in Spain?

Alright, we get the point. Can't you just leave it for now, there was nothing wrong with what Phillip wrote; it is his opinion on the general feeling.

They are both bad owners it seems. Just because someone backed ali syed doesn't mean they can't criticise venkys.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

The talk of credibility is interesting as to my mind, Venkys have an awful lot to do following their "judge us in a year" statement.

The trip to Pune has highlighted a few issues for me:

1) Has the much vaunted academy in Pune been built?

2) Has the Rovers marketing campaign spread past a few billboards in that region?

3) In light of all the national media coverage in India of the trip and the fact it was in Pune. Was anyone else surprised that the 15000 capacity stadium was less than half full?

These plans were outlined when they first took over. Looking in from the outside they should have started to progress by now.

How much have Venkys put into the club since they took over? The bank problems/mortgage/additional loans/negative transfer spend etc would indicate very little.

Then we have the whole staffing/manager/sponsorship/Hoilett contract debacle.

Being sceptical,

My sister and her husband are worth a few quid. They have a big house, nice cars etc and can afford to throw some lavish parties - and pick up the bill of a few travelling guests.

They can afford to rename a stand, buy a few pictures and give the team sponsorship to charity for a year or two.

However...

They can't afford to pump £10+ million a year into a football club transfer kitty - so the team can challenge for Europe in 3-4 years.

They can't afford to build, set up and finance a range of shops and academies.

They can't afford to market BRFC across the Indian subcontinent.

I wonder if Venkys are in the same boat?

For me, Venkys will have my respect and support when I see tangible proof that they can fulfil their promises. We are a year in and I've seen nothing so far.

[den]

I know they say they are here for the long term, but I can see a day when Venky's have their own successful football club in India and are then prepared to sell their business at Blackburn to concentrate completely on their Indian interests.

[Guest]

Darker forces are at work here, of which Kean is an integral part. That is why he cannot be sacked, because he has far more influence than we can possibly comprehend.

You're either kidding or you seriously need to stop watching so much science fiction.

[Guest]

The talk of credibility is interesting as to my mind, Venkys have an awful lot to do following their "judge us in a year" statement.

The trip to Pune has highlighted a few issues for me:

1) Has the much vaunted academy in Pune been built?

2) Has the Rovers marketing campaign spread past a few billboards in that region?

3) In light of all the national media coverage in India of the trip and the fact it was in Pune. Was anyone else surprised that the 15000 capacity stadium was less than half full?

1) Monsoon is just finishing here. Hard to lay concrete foundations in so much water. And to be honest, I think there minds are more focused on the team than the Pune academy.

2) There were 40 of them in Pune. More in other cities and on highways.

3) As explained before. The stadium would've been sold out if the July bomb blasts in Mumbai hadn't forced the team to reschedule.

[roversoutsider]

The talk of credibility is interesting as to my mind, Venkys have an awful lot to do following their "judge us in a year" statement.

The trip to Pune has highlighted a few issues for me:

1) Has the much vaunted academy in Pune been built?

They have appointed a person to look after football marketing in asia.It will take some time to create an academy as there aren't many coaches.

2) Has the Rovers marketing campaign spread past a few billboards in that region?

Rovers popularity has definitely increased.Even in my office,a few ManU supporters are now converted.Venkys are sponsoring major sporting activities and there are few rovers ads during cricket matches too.

3) In light of all the national media coverage in India of the trip and the fact it was in Pune. Was anyone else surprised that the 15000 capacity stadium was less than half full?

The capacity of the stadium is around 20,000.The attendance was around 12,000-15,000 and definitely not the figure you talk about.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

It was reported as a 'sparse crowd' by India Today

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[RibbleValleyRover]

Changed my support from undecided and willing to give them more time to 'No'. This is coming from someone who backed them when they took over the club and has continued to do so until today.

Venky's had the perfect opportunity during the international break to sack the manager and get a new one + his backroom team in before the QPR game if they put their mind and resources to it. Instead they blew it by keeping this clown in charge and have now appointed 'his choice' as assistant manager.

Venky's just don't get it. I am done backing them, they can get lost!

[gumboots]

Changed my support from undecided and willing to give them more time to 'No'. This is coming from someone who backed them when they took over the club and has continued to do so until today.

Venky's had the perfect opportunity during the international break to sack the manager and get a new one in and his backroom team before the QPR game if they put their mind and resources to it. Instead they blew it by keeping this clown in charge and have now appointed 'his choice' as assistant manager.

Venky's just don't get it. I am done backing them, they can (Please don't use that word again) off.

If they genuinely have allowed Kean to bring in an assistant then they really are so out of touch with what is needed and wanted that I can't see how anyone can support them. Again i have tried to stay positive about them, believing that whilst naive and unused to the ways of football club ownership in England they had no real intention of mucking it up, and they would eventually start getting some of the big decisions right. However, this looks like another snub for the fans, another way of saying it's our club and no matter how many times you tell us it's not working we fully intend to listen to nobody except Kean who has somehow got his feet so far under the table that he has become unsackable. Why, why, why do they not listen? When even moderate fans like myself are thinking "Why bother going to a match?" surely they can see there is something fundamentally wrong with what is going on. I know they have managed to convince those who enjoyed their hospitality last week that all will be well, but the rest of us want to know how, when they still seem to be compounding their mistakes, and failing to address big issues like the fact that we still don't have a competent manager.

[m1st]

I know I've already responded to this thread; but, this Thursday evening, I wonder again about the question which, in one sense, is futile.

In that sense, does it matter if we as fans support them as owners of the club? The fact remains; that's what they are and, until such time as one of us on this Board wins the Euromillions jackpot [and then some!], that's what they are going to remain.

Whether we like it or not.

Sorry to be so blunt. Maybe it's the red wine [well-known for its effects as a depressant] talking; but that's the way it seems. To be polite, the owners may take some peripheral interest in what we say; but I think we're kidding ourselves if we think they're going to do what most of us on this Message Board want them to do.

[jehrover]

You're either kidding or you seriously need to stop watching so much science fiction.

All I'll say is this: Kean and Venky's share advisors. Who was Jerome Anderson's only client at BRFC twelve months ago? Steve Kean. Who was it who got Jerome Anderson interested & led Anderson to find Venky's? I don't think its beyond comprehension to suggest that Kean could have masterminded the whole thing - Anderson's involvement, Venky's takeover, Sam's sacking and Kean's appointment. Everyone is happy. Venky's get the profile & publicity, Anderson gets the business & Kean gets a crack at Premier League management. I just think that Kean is a lot more intelligent and cunning than people realise. His verbal diarrhea in the media hides what is actually a very devious and malicious man who shouldn't be trusted by anyone, least of all the owners of a Premier League club.

[riverside returns]

I honestly think that as a group of supporters we have to back the owners and trust that they have the right intentions and plans to make us sustainable. I do believe that they are working to get things right and that they are aware of the issues and problems. I am sure that those close to the heart of the problem are giving advice but it is not just as easy and straightforward as some would have us believe. Kean may not be winning hearts in terms of football performance but what are the real options.

I do believe that the owners are fast approaching the time when they have to be bold and brave and put someone in charge at Ewood who understands the club and the fans. When this occurs, then I am sure, our fortunes will take a dramatic upturn.

Lets all hope for a win tomorrow and some positivity returning to the club. Less of the demonstrations against the status quo and more of the positive vibes. Be Rovers supporters first and foremost and that which we as supporters can not change, dont worry about.

[gumboots]

I honestly think that as a group of supporters we have to back the owners and trust that they have the right intentions and plans to make us sustainable. I do believe that they are working to get things right and that they are aware of the issues and problems. I am sure that those close to the heart of the problem are giving advice but it is not just as easy and straightforward as some would have us believe. Kean may not be winning hearts in terms of football performance but what are the real options.

I do believe that the owners are fast approaching the time when they have to be bold and brave and put someone in charge at Ewood who understands the club and the fans. When this occurs, then I am sure, our fortunes will take a dramatic upturn.

Lets all hope for a win tomorrow and some positivity returning to the club. Less of the demonstrations against the status quo and more of the positive vibes. Be Rovers supporters first and foremost and that which we as supporters can not change, dont worry about.

We are ALL Rovers supporters, but that doesn't mean protesting is wrong. If the people running the club are doing things that would seem to be to the detriment of the club rather than the benefit, then either they need to do some explaining or fans have to do something to draw attention to their grievances. Otherwise we are complicit in the demise of the club.

[Mattyblue]

Exactly gumboots.

The 'status quo' will see the demise of this club and there's no way I'm obediently towing the line until the owners get a clue.

[Billy Castell]

Venky's deserve unrelenting hatred, criticism and abuse for what they have done. They need to leave the club by any means possible, just as Kean does. If Kean is not gone by the end of the month, then the Indians should made to feel very, very unwelcome. I'm not sure about Jehrover's allegations as there is no evidence to back up the logic.

[John]

I think they deserve support for being the most ambitious owners we could have ever wished for - academy in India, stores throughout the land too, makes me excited to wake up each day.

Clowns.

[Kelbo]

All I'll say is this: Kean and Venky's share advisors. Who was Jerome Anderson's only client at BRFC twelve months ago? Steve Kean. Who was it who got Jerome Anderson interested & led Anderson to find Venky's? I don't think its beyond comprehension to suggest that Kean could have masterminded the whole thing - Anderson's involvement, Venky's takeover, Sam's sacking and Kean's appointment. Everyone is happy. Venky's get the profile & publicity, Anderson gets the business & Kean gets a crack at Premier League management. I just think that Kean is a lot more intelligent and cunning than people realise. His verbal diarrhea in the media hides what is actually a very devious and malicious man who shouldn't be trusted by anyone, least of all the owners of a Premier League club.

If this is by deduction, I congratulate you as it is my belief that this is so very close to the truth.

I am tired, I have posted from the onset that things were not right as soon as Allardyce was sacked followed by the loss of John Williams and others, the lack of comments from these people suggest there is some contractual clause which prevents them from speaking to the media and letting the 'cat out of the bag'

As I said, I am tired and I am finding it difficult to post on here, I feel drained and to a degree, cant face going to Ewood with both the owners and Kean in charge, I respect what the Pune 7 have posted, maybe like the 'Trust' they have been duped too by their silver tongue and false promises, we shall see for if we lose against both QPR and Spurs and Kean is still in charge, there will be little doubt that my opinion of them as downright liars and idiots will have been correct.

[Mattyblue]

If we go down, there will be no shops, no academy, no PR ops, no income streams.

Yet, this is allowed to go on and on.

According to the 9 the passion is 'real', they are aware of relegation, they have long term plans, so can someone explain this shambles?

[Amo]

I think the real question should be: Are Venky's Supporting *US* as fans of the club?

[John]

They are certainly supporting Steve Kean, and rate him highly, wonder why that is.

[Amo]

They are certainly supporting Steve Kean, and rate him highly, wonder why that is.

* They don't want the payout (seems unlikely, as they were quick to compo Sam, and relegation will be a bigger price to pay)

* Kentaro still have their hooks into the club.

* They're incredibly naive/obtuse/stubborn/take your pick.

I can see no other reason why they would keep beating this dead horse.

[DE.]

* They don't want the payout (seems unlikely, as they were quick to compo Sam, and relegation will be a bigger price to pay)

* Kentaro still have their hooks into the club.

* They're incredibly naive/obtuse/stubborn/take your pick.

I can see no other reason why they would keep beating this dead horse.

Originally I would have said it's option 3, but the longer this farce goes on the more sinister it becomes.

[m1st]

I think the real question should be: Are Venky's Supporting *US* as fans of the club?

In a way, isn't this the crucial post in this thread?

It feels like we and Venky's have different aims. Venky's seem to see BRFC as a means to getting better publicity for their business; we cling to the hope that Venky's money will allow us to achieve success at a lveel not known for 10 -15 years.

I'm not sure the two can be reconciled and, if they can, I'm not sure if they can be reconciled the way WE'd want them to be.