[Archived] Venky's - Do You Support Them As Owners Of The Club?

[Glenn]

I see after yesterday's reports that some foreign owners want relegation scrapped, Venkys have felt the need to issue a statement to say that they are "fully committed to the PL in its current format."

Hmm, wonder why they so quickly felt they had to affirm that? Strange, especially after last season's rumours that "Madame" as Dunny charmingly refers to her, hadn't actually realised relegation happens.

That's really good of them - perhaps next they can also affirm their support for the cup competitions to remain decided by teams playing matches against one another, rather than bid for by auction or presented to different teams in turn every year.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'd hate to be a PR guy.

Imagine if they'd have said the opposite, or said nothing so everyone assumes they support it (which obviously would massively benefit them, but not football in general) there would have been far more of an out cry (and rightly so).

I've criticized their PR in the past, but on this one, good move, more of the same please.

(PS It's not just Dunny that calls her Madam, it's how she's know throughout the entire organisation)

When people with the business experience of the venkys continue to make suspect decisions regarding BRFC all well documented, the obvious

conclusion is that they have a hidden agenda that we are not party to. What that agenda could be is anybodies guess maybe along the lines

of venky PR, financial gain , before the footballing interests of the club. There is no logic in their blind faith in Kean, refusing to

take proper advice from respected football people and consequently hurtling headlong to oblivion.

Maybe we should start a new thread along the lines of " What is the venkys hidden agenda that explains illogical decisions to date."

I vote Hanlon's Razor (though more "bad advice" than stupidity in the this case)

[beatrix]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'd hate to be a PR guy.

Imagine if they'd have said the opposite, or said nothing so everyone assumes they support it (which obviously would massively benefit them, but not football in general) there would have been far more of an out cry (and rightly so).

I've criticized their PR in the past, but on this one, good move, more of the same please.

(PS It's not just Dunny that calls her Madam, it's how she's know throughout the entire organisation)

I vote Hanlon's Razor (though more "bad advice" than stupidity in the this case)

Impressive repost Glenn, however it happens it does not change our predicament whether it is intentional or stupid.

The question is what can we try to do about our football related problems, things are looking bleak.

[DE.]

I notice that 19 other clubs' owners have either not felt the need to say anything or have stated what a load of cobblers the original concept was.

Then again I haven't been flown to India or had my bar and hotel tab picked up so I don't feel an overpowering need to play the "Hey let's be fair The Venkys are really nice people and their vision of an Indian Academy is impressive" card every time anyone points out what a bunch of embarrassing incompetent chumps they come over as to the rest of us.

Dave Whelan calls the idea of scrapping relegation "stupid"

There's plenty to criticise Venky's for, but criticising them for coming out as being against the no-relegation idea is just silly.

[BuckyRover]

Having worked in PR for many years Glenn I would say without a shadow of a doubt that today's statement is a hurried "let's clarify what we said yesterday" release.

I notice that 19 other clubs' owners have either not felt the need to say anything or have stated what a load of cobblers the original concept was.

Then again I haven't been flown to India or had my bar and hotel tab picked up so I don't feel an overpowering need to play the "Hey let's be fair The Venkys are really nice people and their vision of an Indian Academy is impressive" card every time anyone points out what a bunch of embarrassing incompetent chumps they come over as to the rest of us.

No. But it does appear you are willing to criticise them for anything that they do.

Nothing wrong with making that statement. Maybe the others are all quiet because they are the ones making the plans (to scrap relegation)

[ABBEY]

And we believe the venky statement because .....?

[John]

Come on, they have been so truthful in the past....

[ABBEY]

Ain't they just.

[winstonsmith]

Looks like they have a cunning plan, if there is no relegation results won't matter.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15336398.stm

I listened to this BBC interview with Richard Bevan of the League Managers Association about the possibility of foreign owners of PL clubs voting to abolish relegation and promotion with a growing sense of unease as the interviewer mentioned that the owners may be considering moving to a US franchise model.

The reason for this unease is the nagging feeling I get, especially when I hear talk of the academy in Pune and such like, that Venkys would rather somehow move Rovers wholesale to Mumbai if they could than remain in little old Blackburn.

In 1958 the owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers baseball franchise, a certain Walter O'Malley, moved the Dodgers from New York to Los Angeles. (It was said that if you asked a Brooklyn Dodgers fan 'If you had a gun with only two bullets in it and were in a room with Hitler, Stalin and O'Malley, who would you shoot?' The answer would be 'O'Malley, twice!')

This really is the sum of all fears for a Rovers fan and I know I'm just being silly and alarmist and FIFA would never allow it so I should pull myself together and get a grip as it could never happen. It is not as though the people with the money and power in the game can just change the rules to suit themselves is it? Though I bet thats what Wimbledon fans told themselves when plans were mooted to take them to Dublin before eventually going to Milton Keynes.

[DE.]

There's no way the FA would sanction relegation being abolished so it's a moot point. It'll fade away just like the 39th game.

[RoyRover]

The thing is, if the owners would just get rid of Kean, bring in someone who knew what they were doing and recognised the fact that they made a huge mistake with Kean, they would go some way to making themselves more popular with the fans. As it is, we hear that they know how the fans feel (and they most know it's a majority), they recognise that results aren't good and we need to start winning games. If they don't act on this then it's complete negligence, to which they cannot be forgiven for.

[ABBEY]

Winston I've been ridiculed since venky day one about me saying they could want us to relocate, they are poisonous , lying excuse for owners!

Rovers killers = VENKYS OUT !

[broadsword]

Well, yeah, if Wimbledon could relocate to Milton Keynes, what's to stop Venky's moving the club to wherever?

It would be the death of the club as I know it, but it wouldn't bother the fat knacker and simple simon.

[PLJPB]

Maybe it sounds like scaremongering but relocation to India is something that's been in my mind now for the last couple of months. It would be a variation on the 39th game idea.

Does anyone know if there is anything in the premier league rules to prevent this happening?

[BuckyRover]

Maybe it sounds like scaremongering but relocation to India is something that's been in my mind now for the last couple of months. It would be a variation on the 39th game idea.

Does anyone know if there is anything in the premier league rules to prevent this happening?

Do you really think the 20 other clubs would vote to travel to Pune for a game every season?

There is more chance of Kean being potted today than that ever happening.

[LeChuck]

These conspiracy theories are getting more ridiculous by the day. Why would Venky's remove the club from the richest league in the world and move it to a country where the league is worth virtually nothing? That's just one, tiny flaw from a list of millions.

I guess it shows what state of mind Venky's have driven some supporters into.

Please remove Kean before people are reduced to quivering wrecks!

[broadsword]

I'm not sure they'd move it to India, but they'd want to stay in the league, whatever.

[ABBEY]

London venky rovers.

[winstonsmith]

Do you really think the 20 other clubs would vote to travel to Pune for a game every season?

There is more chance of Kean being potted today than that ever happening.

The majority of PL clubs will soon be in the hands of foreign owners and they may vote to allow games to be played abroad if they feel that is in their interests to do so. Playing an away game in India or China or wherever may be seen as a vast marketing opportunity even for a Man Utd so they may well vote to travel to, say Mumbai, for a game every season.

It is reported in the Daily Mail today that Harry Rednapp thinks that it is only a matter of time before PL sides are made to play competitive games abroad. He is quoted as saying -

'Eventually you will end up playing loads of games around the world. That will happen. They will take the games to where they want to play them. If you have owners from China, India, Russia, America, they will want to take their teams to play there...It is a world game so I can see that as a possibility. When you go to Asia now the support and following is amazing for the PL'.

If the PL vote to allow clubs to play just one 'home' game a season abroad then I can see the floodgates opening and more and more 'home' games abroad being allowed until the possibility of relocation occurs.

[winstonsmith]

These conspiracy theories are getting more ridiculous by the day. Why would Venky's remove the club from the richest league in the world and move it to a country where the league is worth virtually nothing? That's just one, tiny flaw from a list of millions.

I guess it shows what state of mind Venky's have driven some supporters into.

Please remove Kean before people are reduced to quivering wrecks!

I agree that there is absolutely no reason why Venky's would want to leave the PL. However the PL brand may survive having some of its games played abroad. The PL clubs may want to do this for the reasons given in my post above.

[Rovers_786]

Venky's have totally trashed the fans with that clueless Steve Flop Kean the manager.

[PLJPB]

I agree that there is absolutely no reason why Venky's would want to leave the PL. However the PL brand may survive having some of its games played abroad. The PL clubs may want to do this for the reasons given in my post above.

Premier league is all about money now and is likely to become more so in the future with more foreign owners.

The Pune friendly was televised live across India I believe.

Gates at Ewood around 25,000.

Gates at premier league games for India Rovers played in India?

50,000 / 70,000 or more?

[LeChuck]

I agree that there is absolutely no reason why Venky's would want to leave the PL. However the PL brand may survive having some of its games played abroad. The PL clubs may want to do this for the reasons given in my post above.

Premier League clubs will never just up and move abroad, there are a million reasons why it's not feasible. There is a huge difference between the proposed "39th game" and a club moving to a different continent.

The conspiracy theories are ridiculous. These are just three that I have read in the last 24 hours:

• Jerome Anderson paid to buy Rovers and Venky's are just a front to hide this fact
  
• Venky's intend to move the club to India
  
• Steve Kean remains in the job because he is smuggling gold for Venky's on his monthly trips
  

There are probably loads more doing the rounds.

[roversmum]

Unfortunately a fair number are daft enough to believe the trash

[ABBEY]

Trash? What like beckham coming ? Raul? Riquelme ? Kean? Maradonna? Champions league? Europe ? Marquee signing? 1% and the venky trash is what exactly mum?

[gumboots]

Unfortunately a fair number are daft enough to believe the trash

the problem is that in the absence of any solid info and in view of the owners' apparent intransigence with regard to the position of Steve Kean, people really will believe anything, because the majority of the decisions the Raaos have made defy logic. Who doesn't sack a manager who is doing so badly that the fans can see no way back? Who doesn't sack a manager who has lied to police apparently and therefore has proven that he is not trustworthy? Who doesn't sack a manager who appears clueless tactically and has a defence that cannot keep a clean sheet? I could go on. There has to be a reaon why Kean is still in a job. The owners are suposed to be business people and from where we are, keeping him seems to be a rotten business decision too. I know you met him and them and seem to have liked them all, but liking someone isn't a reason for keeping them in a job, or supporting them when they make waht appear to be daft decisions. I don't personally believe any of the theories listed, but I simply don't know what to believe and nobody seems to be able to explain in the slightest why our owners continue to employ Steve Kean in any capacity at all.