[Archived] Venky's - Do You Support Them As Owners Of The Club?

[AllRoverAsia]

Song to Rao's

(to the tune of ''Look What They've Done To My Song'')

Look what you've done to our Club, Raos

Look what you've done to our Club

Well it was our Club and we felt alright

But it's turning out all wrong, Raos

Look what you've done to our Club

Look what you've done to our brains, Raos

Look what you've done to our brains

Well you've picked them like chicken bones

And we're going half insane, Raos

Look what you've done to our Club

[Blackpool_Rover]

I have to be careful when viewing this board these days because there is a danger of falling into depression. Some people on here don't have a clue and just like to jump on bandwagons and insult people, go over the top with banners and protests without thinking for a second that this is a business and how a business is run. Some members posting about Venky's and Kean are the same members who refused to go and watch Big Sam's 'boring football' and 'wouldn't be going to ewood until BFS is out of the club'...these people can politely go where the sun doesn't shine as their views simply aren't valid.

Venky's bought the club in November 2010, we are approaching the one year anniversary. At the start they made a series of errors in communication but have since rectified that, distancing themselves from Anderson, star signings and pipe dreams and sticking to doing business the right way. Their press statements now are no different to other club owners yet they get abused for papering over the cracks. What owners come out these days and say 'yeah our manager is crap, that game was awful, players were a disgrace'...yeah, nobody.

Venky's chose Kean. They paid a lot of money for the club, decided they didn't like Sam and chose Kean. That's a fact and they were well within their rights. If I had paid so much money for a club and had to pay a massive cheque to an arrogant Sam Allardyce every week and at the same time put up with his stale football then I'd probably sack him too. They installed Kean as a caretaker manager and were obviously impressed with what he had to say. Naivety? Maybe. They wanted attacking football, nothing wrong with those intentions, and Kean promised it. Promoting from within...why not, give him a chance. The problem was they gave him a big contract too soon.

Rovers fans are now screaming for the ousting of Kean but lets be honest, the majority have been screaming for his head since christmas. That's idiotic. The owners chose their man and they would have been stupid to sack him and go back on their word in January. Tell me some clubs which have been successful chopping and changing managers.....

They were advised, and rightly so, that stability is key and in the current game managers should be given time. The majority of football people...not message board fans...would agree with that. They had no choice but to give him time otherwise they would have been lambasted in the press and probably on here too eventually, especially if the right appointment wasn't made and we went down. It was a major decision to make in terms of players trusting the club...2 managers sacked in 2 months!?...relegation, the time it would take to replace Kean etc So they RIGHTLY stuck with him. The players were playing for Kean at the end of the season and we stayed up. Sack Kean then? After him keeping us up? Ridiculous again...managers should be given a chance with their own signings and their own pre-season. He deserved a chance at a fresh season surely. So they backed him RIGHTLY and gave him his shot at a fresh premier league season complete with his own pre-season. They even backed him quite adequetly, for someone with his results, in the transfer market.

The next natural step in this game is to give the manager ten games in the new season. This is where Kean is failing. He can't say he has been treated badly by the owners...they have backed him all the way. He can talk all he wants about good performances but the fact is we are bottom of the league with 5 points, 1 win, 2 draws and 5 defeats.

In my opinion Kean has three games now. He needs minimum four points from Spurs at home and Norwich away AND a league cup win or I think he's gone. People say Venky's are clueless but they aren't. They seem to have plans for the club, they know what's happening, they can read a league table and I'm sure if the above doesn't happen then they WILL sack Kean.

[Athlete]

I've had enough now. Everyone wants to hear the views of others as long as they are singing from the same hymn sheet. I don't agree that the owners deserve all the negative stuff that has been written about them. I'm accused of thinking myself superior because I believe they are good people and ultimately want the best for Rovers - this after having met them and speaking to them. I still believe that.

For what it's worth, I love this club and my fellow fans, and respect their views. I would like the same respect.

I won't be around for a while. The bile, hatred, bullying and some of the stuff that is being said is making me feel ill.

COYB

The owners do deserve all the negative stuff..look at the facts what good have they done for BRFC ?????

NONE...they have taken this club apart bit by bit..

There have been the PR stunts renaming the Blackburn end after a legend , the Princes trust ( just cos they couldnt get a sponsor )

the cheap season ticket pricing ( if they didnt even less would have bothered than they have done )

oh BTW they gave you all expenses paid trip of a lifetime...

[Mattyblue]

Sorry BLackpool Rover, but this 'three more games' spiel never ends.

We win one out of the next three, and there will be more cries of 'give him more time', before we know it we are adrift at Xmas and all hope of a decent repelacement vanishes.

Not everyone wanted him out since last year- I certainly did, I said it would be a disaster from day one and so it has been proven. However, he has been given more than a chance with a lot of the fanbase- but 99% have had enough, there is no improvement and we are in big, big trouble.

The fanbase will never unite behind Kean and for the good of the club he must go.

[OJRovers]

Blackpool rover :

There's so much wrong with that I can't quote it all but you say Kean kept us up- he got us down there in the first place!

[AllRoverAsia]

To those who constantly advise that Venkys/Raos have a PLAN, a VISION - what is it???

This is a legitimate question - what is their Plan and Vision for BRFC based at Ewood Park Blackburn?

If anyone out there actually knows please let me and I'm sure a lot of others know.

I am tired of ITKs, conspiracy theories, inane comments like ''(positive)results will come automatically'', friend against foe etc........

4 points from Spurs and Norwich plus a League Cup win? - just give me the 4 points.

[Mike Graham]

Abyss?? Not two years ago you termed it "oblivion". And "The owners do deserve all this negative stuff being written about them because they are destroying the club we all love"?? Can you even remember your own comments during the previous ownership?!

Do you know what 47er ... for the few days that 9 of us were in India, attracting dogs abuse for being there - accused of being a disgrace to the support, Venkys sycophants, collaborators, the enemy within, bought out by the Venkys, on a feebie, etc - one thing that kept me positive was recalling the happy discussions you and I used to have on this MB, when I argued tirelessly that the JW Trust were the best possible owners for BRFC at this time, to keep us in this league and with the management structure in place at Ewood Park.

Such memories told me I was right to take a message out there, and helped me shrug off the accusations listed above, so I've got to thank you for that.

So I've put together a little collection of your responses to those pro-JW Trust ownership arguments you used to fire back at myself, Philipl, Iamarover, Paul and others, so you can reminisce as well. Please enjoy ...

Goes without saying, I would jump back to the previous ownership in a heartbeat. But we are where we are now, so let's continue to get the most important message through and this time next week things could look a whole lot better.

Tris, one of the most sensible posts that I have seen for a long time; however we are where we are with owners that are detroying our club, goping to Rovers is like watching a loved one slowly die (and unfortunately many of us have been through the hell of such an event.

There has been much said about Kean, but the root cause of our suffering are the Venkys. I honestly (like Roversmum posted a couope of days back) do not belive that they are in this to fail.......but failing, by incompetence, they are and the time and points are slipping by and Rovers are nearer to the abyss.

I cannot stand the Venkys and I cannot stand Kean, I have taken my own actions to drum home the message that they are unwanted, and that I will not put a further penny towards their inept leadership.

Kean Out

Venkys Out

[Mike Graham]

Tris, one of the most sensible posts that I have seen for a long time; however we are where we are with owners that are destroying our club, going to Rovers is like watching a loved one slowly die (and unfortunately many of us have been through the hell of such an event).

There has been much said about Kean, but the root cause of our suffering are the Venkys. I honestly (like Roversmum posted a couple of days back) do not belive that they are in this to fail.......but failing, by incompetence, they are and the time and points are slipping by and Rovers are nearer to the abyss.

I cannot stand the Venkys and I cannot stand Kean, I have taken my own actions to drum home the message that they are unwanted, and that I will not put a further penny towards their inept leadership.

Kean Out

Venkys Out

[Paul]

To those who constantly advise that Venkys/Raos have a PLAN, a VISION - what is it???

This is a legitimate question - what is their Plan and Vision for BRFC based at Ewood Park Blackburn?

If anyone out there actually knows please let me and I'm sure a lot of others know.

I am tired of ITKs, conspiracy theories, inane comments like ''(positive)results will come automatically'', friend against foe etc........

4 points from Spurs and Norwich plus a League Cup win? - just give me the 4 points.

I don't want to divert this thread with a discussion on the plan or vision. I agree with you it is not clearly available but I would urge you to listen very carefully to the podcast. John Wareing provides a great deal of information on the vision for India. Listen and learn, we all have to if progress is to be made.

The vision for Blackburn, Lancashire is very unclear except that without a successful PL team at Ewood the entire Indian vision will, to be blunt, go tits up!!

[Mike Graham]

I won't be around Ewood for a while.

I'm not prepared to back the Venky's in destroying the club.

flippin 'eck Paul, this is getting infectious. Have you also sent your ST's back to the Club? I have already told the Club that I am not back at Ewood until the ownership changes....it might be a very long time, but I have always fancied taking up golf. You never know, I may bump into Gordon at Pleasington , or Leyland where I mostly intend to play.

[ABBEY]

Venkys are killing our club and there won't be a rovers in two years time!

[AllRoverAsia]

I don't want to divert this thread with a discussion on the plan or vision. I agree with you it is not clearly available but I would urge you to listen very carefully to the podcast. John Wareing provides a great deal of information on the vision for India. Listen and learn, we all have to if progress is to be made.

The vision for Blackburn, Lancashire is very unclear except that without a successful PL team at Ewood the entire Indian vision will, to be blunt, go tits up!!

I did listen to the latest Pune podcast and do agree that it was well done. I'm going to listen to it again as perhaps I missed some points.

All that we all want is the best for our Rovers.

[47er]

Abyss?? Not two years ago you termed it "oblivion". And "The owners do deserve all this negative stuff being written about them because they are destroying the club we all love"?? Can you even remember your own comments during the previous ownership?!

Do you know what 47er ... for the few days that 9 of us were in India, attracting dogs abuse for being there - accused of being a disgrace to the support, Venkys sycophants, collaborators, the enemy within, bought out by the Venkys, on a feebie, etc - one thing that kept me positive was recalling the happy discussions you and I used to have on this MB, when I argued tirelessly that the JW Trust were the best possible owners for BRFC at this time, to keep us in this league and with the management structure in place at Ewood Park.

Such memories told me I was right to take a message out there, and helped me shrug off the accusations listed above, so I've got to thank you for that.

So I've put together a little collection of your responses to those pro-JW Trust ownership arguments you used to fire back at myself, Philipl, Iamarover, Paul and others, so you can reminisce as well. Please enjoy ...

Goes without saying, I would jump back to the previous ownership in a heartbeat. But we are where we are now, so let's continue to get the most important message through and this time next week things could look a whole lot better.

Tris--how come you only post in response to what I write? And its always the same--loads of quotes from the past, pasted without any context and totally unconnected.There'd be some beauties if I did the same for you------ but I'm not that obsessive.

I've answered the points you've raised over and over again so I'll content myself with saying that I stand by everything I've written. For instance, what was the point or arguing that the Walker Trust were the best owners for us when they were hell-bent on selling us and not funding the club in the meantime?? A Luddite position that one. And one I've responded to loads of times before. By the way-did you make that point to Venkys--that they were poor owners in comparison to the Trust?

As for the Pune 9 trip I never said anything negative about it before you went or while you were there. Look it up-----I stated that anyone made this offer would accept it and I wished you all a good time. I also said I looked forward to the report when you returned. I have snapped at one of your number who bottled it frankly and insulted the majority of supporters as "tremblers". Not a word have I said against the other 8. But I'm glad thoughts of me while you were in India kept you going.

The only thing I'd take back is my unjustified (in hindsight) treatment of Philip l to whom I have publicly apologised on here twice already. I did not have the background to know what he was banging on about with references to Jerome Anderson umpteen times a day but he had the knowledge and insight I didn't have. He could have presented his info better and he did leave himself open with his continuing support for Syed Ali perhaps but still not sufficient excuse.

Finally, unlike yourself, I celebrated when Souness left, rejoiced when Hughes came, didn't want Ince to be given more time ( I actually wanted less) and picked Sam out as the best man available to lead us out of trouble way before he was appointed, never wavered in my support of him when times were tough, despaired when he was sacked, was outraged when Kean was appointed and predicted exactly what would happen (as did loads of others to be fair). I don't know what your position on Kean is now by the way,I don't recall you ever saying.

In summary I'm quite comfortable with my overview of events at Ewood over the years.

[AggyBlue]

flippin 'eck Paul, this is getting infectious. Have you also sent your ST's back to the Club? I have already told the Club that I am not back at Ewood until the ownership changes....it might be a very long time, but I have always fancied taking up golf. You never know, I may bump into Gordon at Pleasington , or Leyland where I mostly intend to play.

Not sent it back, I've told my lad he can use mine to take his girlfriend to the next few games.

Not buying tickets for the cup game either.

[BPF]

I have to be careful when viewing this board these days because there is a danger of falling into depression. Some people on here don't have a clue and just like to jump on bandwagons and insult people, go over the top with banners and protests.

There is so much wrong with this post but I thought that I would single out what for me is perhaps the most offensive quote. Allow me to put it in a different way:

Some people on this messageboard have the intellectual capacity to recognise that the club they love is in serious trouble and want to try and get it off the path of inevitable destruction before it is too late.

Pro-Venkys people confuse me the most because I do not see anything during their reign that is supportable. People keep talking about secret plans, the future and just the empty promise that things will magically improve. I deal in facts and the only thing that I'm seeing right now is a company running our club that have no understanding of what they are doing. They have turned the club into a joke in a way that would have been difficult to achieve even if they had intended to do so from the outset. I have a great deal of respect for the Pune 9 but telling people that we shouldn't worry because Venkys need us in the Premier League doesn't make any sense. For me it is the same as having a little girl who tells you that she loves the puppy you got her despite never feeding it, taking it for walks or doing anything for its wellbeing. It's all well and good promoting our brand in India but unless I am mistaken we are a British club. We need to get matters at home sorted first.

Whatever they have planned and whatever they say, whilst Kean is manager they do not have the best interests of the club at heart.

Your post makes me very sad because to me it suggests that people are still in the 'it will be alright in the end' frame of mind. The future of the club is at stake here and rather than try and bring it back onto the right track you are willing to say to the owners that there is no problem. Your post actually makes me think that if they did tear down Jack's statue, there really would be people on here defending them.

We are bottom of the table with one of the worst managers in the history of football......give him three more games.

Crazy.

[Mike Graham]

Not sent it back, I've told my lad he can use mine to take his girlfriend to the next few games.

Not buying tickets for the cup game either.

I will go to some away games to support the boys, not doing Ewood; give me bell/text if you fancy a trip.

[broadsword]

Can't access betting sites from work, I wonder what odds Kean is now, together with some of the other managers.

It's honestly jaw-dropping that he's still there. His record is appalling, with no prospect of improvement whatsoever. And why is his record appalling? Because his tactical knowledge and team selections and substitutions have been inadequate since day 1. I'm tempted to add also his transfer business is also extremely poor, but I get the strong feeling it wasn't Kean who selected which players to buy.

Every day he remains he's damaging the club. I just find it staggering that he's still in the job. Any owner with gumption would've seen he's not up to it, and binned him. But the command structure at Rovers has been destroyed. I can't support Wenky's because by extension they are also damaging the club.

I don't like bling merchants, I don't like kamikaze businessmen who ruin my club, I don't like rank incompetence. Wenky's ... with no regrets, YOU'RE FIRED. And take feckless Kean with you.

[Gav]

Abyss?? Not two years ago you termed it "oblivion". And "The owners do deserve all this negative stuff being written about them because they are destroying the club we all love"?? Can you even remember your own comments during the previous ownership?!

Do you know what 47er ... for the few days that 9 of us were in India, attracting dogs abuse for being there - accused of being a disgrace to the support, Venkys sycophants, collaborators, the enemy within, bought out by the Venkys, on a feebie, etc - one thing that kept me positive was recalling the happy discussions you and I used to have on this MB, when I argued tirelessly that the JW Trust were the best possible owners for BRFC at this time, to keep us in this league and with the management structure in place at Ewood Park.

Such memories told me I was right to take a message out there, and helped me shrug off the accusations listed above, so I've got to thank you for that.

So I've put together a little collection of your responses to those pro-JW Trust ownership arguments you used to fire back at myself, Philipl, Iamarover, Paul and others, so you can reminisce as well. Please enjoy ...

Goes without saying, I would jump back to the previous ownership in a heartbeat. But we are where we are now, so let's continue to get the most important message through and this time next week things could look a whole lot better.

Tris strikes again

[sijoco]

I deal in facts and the only thing that I'm seeing right now is a company running our club that have no understanding of what they are doing.

Spot on BPF - it's all good and well Venky's spouting off about how they're confident they'll turn things around NOW we're bottom of the league.

If they had any footballing nouse at all they wouldn't need to "appease" the fans with promises they have no idea of how to fulfill, we wouldn't be bottom in the first place.

[Athlete]

Spot on BPF - it's all good and well Venky's spouting off about how they're confident they'll turn things around NOW we're bottom of the league.

If they had any footballing nouse at all they wouldn't need to "appease" the fans with promises they have no idea of how to fulfill, we wouldn't be bottom in the first place.

remember some Portsmouth fans spouting on there board how they were confident of turning things round right up to the S*** truly hitting the fan....

[ABBEY]

Gahdaffi caught hiding in venky and keans fan club

[Steve Moss]

Sack Kean then? After him keeping us up? Ridiculous again...managers should be given a chance with their own signings and their own pre-season. He deserved a chance at a fresh season surely. So they backed him RIGHTLY and gave him his shot at a fresh premier league season complete with his own pre-season. They even backed him quite adequetly, for someone with his results, in the transfer market.

What results? Have you bothered to check his points per game ratio last season? This season? Overall? Whichever of the three periods you look at, Steve Kean is clearly not good enough.

[booth]

I have to be careful when viewing this board these days because there is a danger of falling into depression. Some people on here don't have a clue and just like to jump on bandwagons and insult people, go over the top with banners and protests without thinking for a second that this is a business and how a business is run. Some members posting about Venky's and Kean are the same members who refused to go and watch Big Sam's 'boring football' and 'wouldn't be going to ewood until BFS is out of the club'...these people can politely go where the sun doesn't shine as their views simply aren't valid.

Venky's bought the club in November 2010, we are approaching the one year anniversary. At the start they made a series of errors in communication but have since rectified that, distancing themselves from Anderson, star signings and pipe dreams and sticking to doing business the right way. Their press statements now are no different to other club owners yet they get abused for papering over the cracks. What owners come out these days and say 'yeah our manager is crap, that game was awful, players were a disgrace'...yeah, nobody.

Venky's chose Kean. They paid a lot of money for the club, decided they didn't like Sam and chose Kean. That's a fact and they were well within their rights. If I had paid so much money for a club and had to pay a massive cheque to an arrogant Sam Allardyce every week and at the same time put up with his stale football then I'd probably sack him too. They installed Kean as a caretaker manager and were obviously impressed with what he had to say. Naivety? Maybe. They wanted attacking football, nothing wrong with those intentions, and Kean promised it. Promoting from within...why not, give him a chance. The problem was they gave him a big contract too soon.

Rovers fans are now screaming for the ousting of Kean but lets be honest, the majority have been screaming for his head since christmas. That's idiotic. The owners chose their man and they would have been stupid to sack him and go back on their word in January. Tell me some clubs which have been successful chopping and changing managers.....

They were advised, and rightly so, that stability is key and in the current game managers should be given time. The majority of football people...not message board fans...would agree with that. They had no choice but to give him time otherwise they would have been lambasted in the press and probably on here too eventually, especially if the right appointment wasn't made and we went down. It was a major decision to make in terms of players trusting the club...2 managers sacked in 2 months!?...relegation, the time it would take to replace Kean etc So they RIGHTLY stuck with him. The players were playing for Kean at the end of the season and we stayed up. Sack Kean then? After him keeping us up? Ridiculous again...managers should be given a chance with their own signings and their own pre-season. He deserved a chance at a fresh season surely. So they backed him RIGHTLY and gave him his shot at a fresh premier league season complete with his own pre-season. They even backed him quite adequetly, for someone with his results, in the transfer market.

The next natural step in this game is to give the manager ten games in the new season. This is where Kean is failing. He can't say he has been treated badly by the owners...they have backed him all the way. He can talk all he wants about good performances but the fact is we are bottom of the league with 5 points, 1 win, 2 draws and 5 defeats.

In my opinion Kean has three games now. He needs minimum four points from Spurs at home and Norwich away AND a league cup win or I think he's gone. People say Venky's are clueless but they aren't. They seem to have plans for the club, they know what's happening, they can read a league table and I'm sure if the above doesn't happen then they WILL sack Kean.

So you believe that if we get four points in the next two league games and a league cup win he will keep us up and build on his "success" next season

You believe he "kept us up"? Even more baffling.

You believed after his terrible performance as a manager last season he should get ten games this season?

Do you also enjoy hurting yourself for pleasure? If the answer is yes then all makes sense.

[den]

Not sent it back, I've told my lad he can use mine to take his girlfriend to the next few games.

Not buying tickets for the cup game either.

When people like you have had enough Aggy, it's time for the owners to wake up. They could do a whole lot worse than listen to you and learn.

Bet not many people have said that before.

I know how you feel though. Our club doesn't have a soul any more. Apart from an *****ole.

[AggyBlue]

When people like you have had enough Aggy, it's time for the owners to wake up. They could do a whole lot worse than listen to you and learn.

Bet not many people have said that before.

I know how you feel though. Our club doesn't have a soul any more. Apart from an *****ole.

Mike summed it up. It's like watching a close family member succumb to a terminal illness. I'm struggling to cope with it.