[Archived] Venky's - Do You Support Them As Owners Of The Club?

[Blackpool_Rover]

There is so much wrong with this post but I thought that I would single out what for me is perhaps the most offensive quote. Allow me to put it in a different way:

Some people on this messageboard have the intellectual capacity to recognise that the club they love is in serious trouble and want to try and get it off the path of inevitable destruction before it is too late.

Pro-Venkys people confuse me the most because I do not see anything during their reign that is supportable. People keep talking about secret plans, the future and just the empty promise that things will magically improve. I deal in facts and the only thing that I'm seeing right now is a company running our club that have no understanding of what they are doing. They have turned the club into a joke in a way that would have been difficult to achieve even if they had intended to do so from the outset. I have a great deal of respect for the Pune 9 but telling people that we shouldn't worry because Venkys need us in the Premier League doesn't make any sense. For me it is the same as having a little girl who tells you that she loves the puppy you got her despite never feeding it, taking it for walks or doing anything for its wellbeing. It's all well and good promoting our brand in India but unless I am mistaken we are a British club. We need to get matters at home sorted first.

Whatever they have planned and whatever they say, whilst Kean is manager they do not have the best interests of the club at heart.

Your post makes me very sad because to me it suggests that people are still in the 'it will be alright in the end' frame of mind. The future of the club is at stake here and rather than try and bring it back onto the right track you are willing to say to the owners that there is no problem. Your post actually makes me think that if they did tear down Jack's statue, there really would be people on here defending them.

We are bottom of the table with one of the worst managers in the history of football......give him three more games.

Crazy.

What results? Have you bothered to check his points per game ratio last season? This season? Overall? Whichever of the three periods you look at, Steve Kean is clearly not good enough.

So you believe that if we get four points in the next two league games and a league cup win he will keep us up and build on his "success" next season

You believe he "kept us up"? Even more baffling.

You believed after his terrible performance as a manager last season he should get ten games this season?

Do you also enjoy hurting yourself for pleasure? If the answer is yes then all makes sense.

Stupid responses to my original post. I'm not defending Kean. I don't think he will take us forward if we get 4 points from the next 2 games and I don't think he had a good ratio last season. I was merely putting it across from an owners point of view. Read my post again. I want Kean out as much as anyone else but like I said, the first 'opportunity' to sack him without the owners looking bad or putting us big trouble is after 10 games. Lets see if they sack him...i think they will.

[den]

Stupid responses to my original post. I'm not defending Kean. I don't think he will take us forward if we get 4 points from the next 2 games and I don't think he had a good ratio last season. I was merely putting it across from an owners point of view. Read my post again. I want Kean out as much as anyone else but like I said, the first 'opportunity' to sack him without the owners looking bad or putting us big trouble is after 10 games. Lets see if they sack him...i think they will.

You don't think we're in big trouble now BR?

We've been in big trouble ever since they sacked Allardyce and replaced him with Kean.

[Blackpool_Rover]

You don't think we're in big trouble now BR?

We've been in big trouble ever since they sacked Allardyce and replaced him with Kean.

I do think we're in big trouble. I'm just defending the way Venky's are doing things. I'm not saying they haven't made mistakes....they have made many...appointing Kean was one. But they chose him and they had to stick by him during the times I outlined in my original post. If they had sacked him in February they would have lost all credibility in the football world...not from fans but fans don't matter as much I'm afraid as people still go through the turnstiles. The football world stick together and the LMA and professional players everywhere would have criticised Venky's and made them more of a laughing stock after their early tosh in the media.

Now they have sorted their communication errors and the problem they are left with is their original one, Kean. Now, if we had gone down he would have been sacked. We didn't and like I said, they had to give him a pre-season and ten games because he's their man and they think highly of him. He is clearly a good talker in India. The ten games are almost up. If we lose the next two I'm quite sure they will sack him. If they leave it until christmas then, that's another Venky's mistake and one I won't agree with. This, in my opinion is their best opportunity to sack him and receive no bad press from anywhere. So let us see the situation after Norwich. I can't see us picking up anything from the two games anyway so if they don't sack him after that...well I will eat my car.

[Mattyblue]

Bad press? For sacking an over promomted coach? Clubs do it with 'caretakers' all the time.

We have been a 'laughing stock' for 12 months solid, sacking Steve Kean would have been one of their more sane decisions.

Also, as Allardyce is a big cheese in the LMA, I reckon they wouldn't have kicked up too much of a fuss...

[LeChuck]

the first 'opportunity' to sack him without the owners looking bad or putting us big trouble is after 10 games.

I can see some sense in what you are saying Blackpool Rover. The bit I have a problem with is the "10 games" thing - it seems an arbitrary number.

Kean probably (just about) deserved a summer to get his own squad together after the relatively strong finish to last season. It's easy for everyone on here to say he should have been sacked in the summer, but what happened to those protests that were mooted towards the end of last season? They were lost in the euphoria of survival. Don't blame the owners for making the same mistake.

It became apparent a while back that Kean isn't up to the job though, and his signings have made us worse than we were last year. Why do we have to get to 10 games before we can act? It's not a number that means anything. We'll be no more certain in 2 games time than we are now. Action is already overdue.

[den]

10 games is very misleading. He's coming up to 12 months in charge, encompassing two transfer windows. During that time, there have been no reasons whatsoever to believe that he's improving anything.

[Steve Moss]

. . . I was merely putting it across from an owners point of view. . . . the first 'opportunity' to sack him without the owners looking bad or putting us big trouble is after 10 games. Lets see if they sack him...i think they will.

So to avoid "looking bad" the owners have to endure: 1) more dropped points; and, 2) fan rage, the vast majority of whom want him sacked now and most of whom never thought he never should have been appointed in the first place?

Exactly whom are Venkys' hoping to "look good" to? The LMA? If Kean is paid they won't care. The PL/FA? Same answer. The fans? We want him gone now.

Venkys is a train wreck. The sooner they sack Kean, the sooner they can begin to pick up the pieces and, perhaps, avoid looking too bad.

[Rovers_786]

remember we cant agree with everyones comments.

[broadsword]

"The time is always right to do what is right."

10 games, 10 schames.

You don't carry on with a manager because you don't want to look bad. They may have been consistent with their mode of thinking, but doesn't mean it's OK.

The whole thing's an indefensible shambles.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

If they had sacked him in February they would have lost all credibility in the football world...not from fans but fans don't matter as much I'm afraid as people still go through the turnstiles. The football world stick together and the LMA and professional players everywhere would have criticised Venky's and made them more of a laughing stock after their early tosh in the media.

In the football world sacking Allardyce was considered one of the stupidest, most criticised, most laughable decisions anyone has ever made in modern football. Fans as a whole weren't as horrified by it because many have this "long-ball" vendetta against him. But the LMA judge managers on results, players judge managers on results and the media more often than not judge managers on results. To them that one decision smashed Venkys credibility to smithereens. Nothing they did after that could have made things worse, so sacking Kean just wouldn't have been a PR issue full stop.

The ten games are almost up. If we lose the next two I'm quite sure they will sack him. If they leave it until christmas then, that's another Venky's mistake and one I won't agree with. This, in my opinion is their best opportunity to sack him and receive no bad press from anywhere. So let us see the situation after Norwich. I can't see us picking up anything from the two games anyway so if they don't sack him after that...well I will eat my car.

Why 10 games? I can understand 10 games for a new manager who has been appointed over the summer. But why should Kean's poor record from last season be ignored? I was willing to give him 6 games, one last chance, which would have made 27 games in charge in total. If you're willing to give him 10 then fair enough. But my worry is that Venkys will wait much longer, they've only ever given 1 indication sacking Kean is even on their radar and are showing little sense of urgency about our plight. If we as fans do nothing but support the team as we're being told to, I'd bet my car you'll be eating your car.

[booth]

Stupid responses to my original gobsmackingly insane post.

I'm not defending Kean. I don't think he will take us forward if we get 4 points from the next 2 games and I don't think he had a good ratio last season. I was merely putting it across from an owners point of view. Read my post again. I want Kean out as much as anyone else but like I said, the first 'opportunity' to sack him without the owners looking bad or putting us big trouble is after 10 games. Lets see if they sack him...i think they will.

Corrected for you.

The rest of your post here makes sense, apart from the bit where you say I should read your post again. I think you should and see how it comes across that you are very defensive of Kean and Venky's. It's your right to defend them, just as it's my right to be completely utterly baffled by it.

There's nothing stupid about disagreeing with your original post as for me it read like the ramblings of a mad man. Although this follow up post makes a lot more sense so perhaps I, along with many others on here, have got you all wrong.

[John]

I do think we're in big trouble. I'm just defending the way Venky's are doing things. I'm not saying they haven't made mistakes....they have made many...appointing Kean was one. But they chose him and they had to stick by him during the times I outlined in my original post. If they had sacked him in February they would have lost all credibility in the football world...not from fans but fans don't matter as much I'm afraid as people still go through the turnstiles. The football world stick together and the LMA and professional players everywhere would have criticised Venky's and made them more of a laughing stock after their early tosh in the media.

Now they have sorted their communication errors and the problem they are left with is their original one, Kean. Now, if we had gone down he would have been sacked. We didn't and like I said, they had to give him a pre-season and ten games because he's their man and they think highly of him. He is clearly a good talker in India. The ten games are almost up. If we lose the next two I'm quite sure they will sack him. If they leave it until christmas then, that's another Venky's mistake and one I won't agree with. This, in my opinion is their best opportunity to sack him and receive no bad press from anywhere. So let us see the situation after Norwich. I can't see us picking up anything from the two games anyway so if they don't sack him after that...well I will eat my car.

Where do we start.....

Firstly the actual appointment of Kean, in highly suspicious circumstances, along with the fact he had no managerial experience whatsoever previously, let alone managing at the highest level - complete madness (the decision) and many people said so at the time!

Simply put, taking decisive action would not make people laugh at the Raos (which is what you seem overly concerned about). They just need to speak to the press for folk to laugh anyway.

Appointing a credible manager would be a logical decision - main problem we have got is that logic and commonsense don't seem to be part of their thinking.

[47er]

I can see some sense in what you are saying Blackpool Rover. The bit I have a problem with is the "10 games" thing - it seems an arbitrary number.

Kean probably (just about) deserved a summer to get his own squad together after the relatively strong finish to last season. It's easy for everyone on here to say he should have been sacked in the summer, but what happened to those protests that were mooted towards the end of last season? They were lost in the euphoria of survival. Don't blame the owners for making the same mistake.

It became apparent a while back that Kean isn't up to the job though, and his signings have made us worse than we were last year. Why do we have to get to 10 games before we can act? It's not a number that means anything. We'll be no more certain in 2 games time than we are now. Action is already overdue.

Hes from Burnley is supporting you Le Chuck. Should serve as a warning!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Lets get to the crux of the matter here,is vanity and sheer stubbornness on the part of the Roa's in admitting they made a mistake the only thing stopping Kean from being sacked?.These Indian 'billy big rollocks' who openly admitted they knew the sum total of sweet FA about football but liked Cricket?

Would they really be prepared to see us sink for no other reason than admitting they got it wrong?...'FIT AND PROPER' WTF

[sentient]

Lets get to the crux of the matter here,is vanity and sheer stubbornness on the part of the Roa's in admitting they made a mistake the only thing stopping Kean from being sacked?.These Indian 'billy big rollocks' who openly admitted they knew the sum total of sweet FA about football but liked Cricket?

Would they really be prepared to see us sink for no other reason than admitting they got it wrong?...'FIT AND PROPER' WTF

looks like that could be it. think it's time we started to embrass them.

[Billy Castell]

Every day they hang on to Kean, is another nail in the coffin of their credibility to all football followers. Their steadfast refusal to bin him proves that they are useless as owners of a football club.

[LeChuck]

Hes from Burnley is supporting you Le Chuck. Should serve as a warning!

A warning about what? I said Kean should have been sacked already.

[BuckyRover]

Hopefully he will resign.

There is only so much abuse one man can take.

[Majiball]

Hopefully he will resign.

There is only so much abuse one man can take.

He'll never resign.

He has about 2.5 years left on his reported 400K a year contract and every other ex-employee has had a 'shut your mouth' payment.

Resigning could cost him the best part of a couple of million, no chance regardless of abuse.

[BuckyRover]

An but you forget, he is Scottish.

They are an honourable bunch

[47er]

A warning about what? I said Kean should have been sacked already.

I dunno! But if you get a + from hesfromburnley you know somethings wrong! Could have been that bit about him deserving his own team in the summer etc.

[ABBEY]

Hopefully he will resign.

There is only so much abuse one man can take.

There's more chance of me buying you a beer!

[Al]

Hopefully he will resign.

There is only so much abuse one man can take.

I don't want him to resign. There is dignity in resignation. I want him sacked and humiliated after the way he has stuck two fingers up at the supporters.

[47er]

10 games is very misleading. He's coming up to 12 months in charge, encompassing two transfer windows. During that time, there have been no reasons whatsoever to believe that he's improving anything.

Just remembering Den that Kean told us to "judge us after the transfer window"! As we are bottom of the league what defence has he got?

He doesn't play his own transfers in anyway apart from Dann and bemoans injuries as the reason why we are struggling. In other words we are suffering because we can't play Dunn, Pedersen and Nelsen all of whom were here years before him!

The man is a complete fraud.

[ABBEY]

And when the buffoons took over they said in the telewag , judge us in 12 months . Well Barry white Im judging ...GET THE HELL OUT Of MY TEAM