[Archived] How to seperate wanting the manager to lose and wanting to team to win

[chris]

Ok this has come up a few times is it wrong to want to lose? or is it the only way out?

I can remember at the Man city game and we were 4-0 down not wanting Blackburn to score almost cheering on Man City. Purely because I wanted Kean humiliated and forced out.

And what do we achieve by winning?, look at the history with Hodgson, a win now would only give Kean another 4-5 games to do more damage, look at his record.

Dislike I think has turned to hatred because Kean is lying alot from spiking drinks to 98% to points aren't everything.

I really think this goes against all logic of supporting a team, but we might have to lose the next game, he has to go, then after Spurs hopefullty Kean is gone and we have a winnable game.

Lots of winnable games in December.

I do feel for the players a bit, Olsson for example gives everytihng.

I guess what will be will be but if we lose I'll be upset Blackburn lose but glad Kean failed.

[Jimmy612]

Very interesting topic, and a feeling which I have found creeping in at certain home games e.g. Man City.

Only yesterday at work I was discussing with a colleague which season/team was better, Souness when we finished 6th, or Hughes when we had Bentley, Roque, Sav etc and lost narrowly at Old Trafford to Chelsea. I myself preferred the Hughes season.

But that conversation really brought home what a luxury it is to have a team performing well and to be a happy football fan. And anger really does boil up inside me when I think about those great times, and now trudging down to Ewood, hating our manager and the mess that we are in.

And my personal anger for what has happened to our club, and the way the club has been treated, has at times seen me wanting my team to be beaten so that Keans job is untenable, because as you mention, one win is just another stay of execution and 4 more games with this clown in charge.

I went to Wolves away last season, knowing that we had to win to stay up, and I have to admit that it is one of the few times when I have felt as passionate as I did before this whole debacle!

My love for Blackburn Rovers is not subsiding, but my hate for the individuals running it into the ground is increasing

[martonrover]

As you have said, if we win one game he'll get an even longer stay of execution. we could meander on for ages pickung up a few draws and the odd win amidst a host of defeats. It would be great to have a fresh start with a clear and shared objective, i.e. winning matches and supporting the manager and team.

[davulsukur]

Short term pain for long term gain

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Though I can see the rationale - come match day we always have to win for me - can't bring myself to feel any other way.

Though many will disagree - I would be happy if Kean turned the team around and pulled us up the table. Only problem - can't see it happening.

[ABBEY]

So you true rovers fans WANT rovers to lose? Wow im speechless.

[chris]

So you true rovers fans WANT rovers to lose? Wow im speechless.

You can only think with your heart and not your head with it comes to a result.

thats not an insult, I'm not saying its wrong but you can't think outside your passion what the benefits would be.

that's my opinion.

[Mattyblue]

So you true rovers fans WANT rovers to lose? Wow im speechless.

It's a horrible situation abs, the way I look at it is this. If the ITKers are telling us that we lose on Sunday, he's gone, 100%, then yeah I'd take the defeat- just like that 3-0 at Wigan was for the greater good.

However, IF he limps on, then we HAVE to start winning games or else it is going to be an impossible task before we know it.

Yeah, nice one Venky's! But still, only a few 'teething problems' arent they!

[Jimmy612]

You can only think with your heart and not your head with it comes to a result.

thats not an insult, I'm not saying its wrong but you can't think outside your passion what the benefits would be.

that's my opinion.

Agreed

Abbey can you see Kean turning this around? Maybe a win here and there, followed by 4 games and maybe 2 points taken etc. That will result in relegation.

A few losses now followed by Kean being sacked and a new manager appointed would give us a fighting chance, provided its the right manager.

This all depends on knowing if Venkys are likely to sack Kean if poor results continue.

All of us want success for Blackburn Rovers, we will not find it scraping a win once every 8 games. KEAN OUT

[rovers_rob]

I can understand why some fans would want us to lose but my own opinion is that I would never ever want us to lose.

I think Kean should be sacked because we keep losing, I don't want us to lose so Kean will get the sack.

This thread sums up how sad the situation is and how desparate fans are at the moment.

[DE.]

I've said in previous match day threads I'd only want us to lose if there was a guarantee Kean was going to be booted out as a result. Otherwise there is no reason to believe the owners will sack Kean regardless of results.

[Steve Moss]

So you true rovers fans WANT rovers to lose? Wow im speechless.

Abbey, I want Rovers to win on Saturday (even with Kean as a manager) as I want them to win every day. What is really sad is that loses no longer faze me as much because: 1) I expect it from a team managed by Kean; and, 2) I can see the silver lining in that it may take us one step closer to Kean being fired and us getting a decent manager in.

I feel like Rovers supporters are currently the sad equivalent of Texans at the Alamo. We know we are going down, we have no where to retreat to (or in Marine lingo, advance in another direction), and our only hope is to kick up enough of a fuss that is it merely a lost battle, and not a lost war.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Against QPR was the first time I didn't know whether or not I wanted us to win.

[RibbleValleyRover]

The chances of Rovers going down will increase the longer Kean remains in the job. Look at his record, run that over a course of a season and we won't survive.

A football fan shouldn't be put in a situation where they want their team to lose in order to survive in the longer term, but that's the position we are in right now thanks to the manager and Venky's.

I'll take some flack for it but with the protest going on, the media there and the owners present I hope we get absolutely thrashed this weekend leaving Venky's no choice but to sack him. Like davul said earlier, short term pain for a long term gain.

[beerwins]

He would have been gone now if we had lost against Arsenal, does the win feel as good now as it did then?

I would sacrafice those 3 points to see the back of Kean but I cant knowingly want Rovers to lose, the bigger worry is that even if we continue to lose he is kept on and the even bigger worry is that if he is sacked which donut will they employ next?

[Glenn]

I want Rovers to win. Full Stop. If Steve Kean was winning I could happily ignore everything else.

[Amo]

Blackburn Rovers will only 'win' once Steve Kean is outta here.

That's all you need to think about.

[m1st]

The chances of Rovers going down will increase the longer Kean remains in the job. Look at his record, run that over a course of a season and we won't survive.

A football fan shouldn't be put in a situation where they want their team to lose in order to survive in the longer term, but that's the position we are in right now thanks to the manager and Venky's.

I'll take some flack for it but with the protest going on, the media there and the owners present I hope we get absolutely thrashed this weekend leaving Venky's no choice but to sack him. Like davul said earlier, short term pain for a long term gain.

. . . or, as Steve Moss said, "Lose a battle to win the war." That was the phrase I used in a conversation with a fellow-passenger on the bus from the Boulevard to the Arsenal game.

My heart said [as it always does, although with no real conviction: partly because we were playing Arsenal; partly because I want Baldrick out] "Rovers to win, please"; yet my head was saying, "But if we lose this one [as we usually do against Arsenal, let's face it]; then maybe, just maybe, Venky's will do the sensible thing and cut their losses with Kean."

It's an awful dilemma for any true fan. I wouldn't want us to get walloped by Spurs [or anyone] but the short-term pain would surely be worth it in the long run.

Thanks for a thought-provoking thread, chris.

[ABBEY]

Whoa hang on don't think I've any Kean love and think we are totally screwed! BUT never ever ever do I want my team to lose that's not thinking with heart that's love for my team !my team the rovers , not kean or the f nuggets. .. Whose to say we get dicked again that the plebs who own us won't fire him . Then that leaves us further away from safety and people ARE happy about it,

Kean out venkys out but never ever should you want your team to lose!!!!!

[chris]

never ever ever do I want my team to lose that's not thinking with heart that's love for my team !my team the rovers , not kean or the f nuggets. ..

Kean out venkys out but never ever should you want your team to lose!!!!!

[LeChuck]

It's really difficult.

With 100% honesty, I am in no doubt that a full season under Kean would see us relegated. Therefore, for the future of Blackburn Rovers, it's in the best interest that he leaves as soon as possible. If that means losing a few games then so be it.

As people have said elsewhere, the worst possible thing that could happen is that Kean has more lucky days like the Arsenal game to keep hanging on to his job - we know Venky's want an excuse to keep him as manager. Perhaps, in the long run, it would have been better for us if Arsenal hadn't scored two own goals...or the linesman had seen Yakubu was offside...or the Walcott penalty was given...or Robinson had an off day.

[ABBEY]

Don't be a knob

[AllRoverAsia]

Whatever I may say or think beforehand when kick off comes I always want Rovers to win. I just want Kean to get lost but have no confidence in our Owners judging Kean on results.

[beastlove]

Interesting post. I wanted us to beat City until we went 3 goals down and then I wanted us to get hammered so Kean would go. I think it will be the same against Spurs. Once there is no way back my support changes. Like someone said before short term pain for long term gain

[Stuart]

I only have to think about people I know who are die-hard Clarets and the pleasure they get from a Rovers defeat to banish any thought of wanting us to lose.

I picture their contorted, twisted faces taking pleasure from our demise and when Samba heads the equaliser at QPR, their disappointed gurns.

And as the 98th minute Reading winner goes in, even though we've only drawn and gone bottom, it doesn't seem as painful

Of course I want Kean jettisoned at the earliest possible juncture but every point garnered while the clown remains in charge is a bonus.

Funnily enough, the dingles I know are delighted that we keep doing just enough to keep Kean in charge. It's a lose-lose.

It's ok talking about wanting a loss to get rid of Kean but it's no guarantee, such is the apparent relationship he has with Brer Belaji and Brer Venky.

Plus when the ref blows his whistle we all want Rovers to win. It's why people cheer and leap into the air when we score.

It's instinct.