[Archived] How to seperate wanting the manager to lose and wanting to team to win

[Andy3809]

If you think a new manager is going to come in and turn it around straight away though I think we'll be disappointed. Kean has to go but the next in must be given time.

The squad is very poor and the form will continue at least till the jan window in my opinion.

It then depends if venkies will spend on 2 fullbacks, a quality centre mid and a striker.

[FourLaneBlue]

I definitely don't care as much if we win or lose as I used to do. I can hardly say the Arsenal win was that enjoyable when Kean's mug grinning from ear to ear was placed alongside it.

Apathy rules supreme at the moment. Welcome to Venky's Rovers.

[chris]

I definitely don't care as much if we win or lose as I used to do. I can hardly say the Arsenal win was that enjoyable when Kean's mug grinning from ear to ear was placed alongside it.

Apathy rules supreme at the moment. Welcome to Venky's Rovers.

exactly right, Arsenal victory quickly became all about Kean, you are happy with the victory then you have:

His smug deluded I told you so face

laugh at the protesters as if they don't matter

Tell the press 98% of the fans back him

Tell the press we should ahve at least four more points

Tell us Venkys are 100% behind him

And we will know he will get another 4 -5 games to do more damage

If we win against Tottenham, Kean will quickly steal the glory, he'll probably go on the radio again.

[BPF]

I'll be totally honest here and it is the first time I have thought in this sickening way...

I hope Spurs tear us apart and I hope that the protests are so fierce that the owners are scared into making the right decision.

Losing the battle to win the war is the right decision in this horrible scenario. Anything that gives Kean more time is bad. Sadly, I think that it might already be too late.

[John]

Massive PR exercise from Kean following that Arsenal game - clearly it was planned to go on every media channel possible to talk his tripe. Remember lot of folk saying they were impressed with his comments when he was doing his media rounds - I wasn't, you can pick holes in a lot of what he says which illustrates he has no clear direction of what he is doing as a manager

[ABBEY]

Wanting rovers to lose isn't right!

[yoda]

Just read this love in that Kean had a QPR

"Blackburn Rovers boss Steve Kean paid tribute to the club’s away fans after the draw at Queen's Park Rangers.

1000 Rovers fans made the trip to the capital to spur their side on to a battling draw, Chris Samba equalizing to earn a point.

After the match the players and staff all acknowledged the part the fans paid in inspiring them on.

"I wanted to us to show our appreciation at the end by going over and clapping them, the players and staff both went over because I thought they were excellent today," the Rovers boss told his club's website.

"They got behind us from the first minute, I think they were impressed with the way we tried to go about our business and I'm delighted for the travelling fans as they've come along way and London has been good for us.

"We got a good point at Fulham, we beat Arsenal and now we've got another London club coming up with Tottenham at Ewood on Sunday."

Amazing

they say ignorance is bliss

Kean is Blissfully happy

[rigger]

when we score agains't spuds, don't celebrate just chant Kean out.

[m1st]

i would take a walloping against burnley if it meant kean getting the boot.

I know I've written elsewhere about losing a battle to win a war; but there are some battles which must never be lost! Just as well it's hypothetical!

[SergioPeter89]

"I wanted to us to show our appreciation at the end by going over and clapping them, the players and staff both went over because I thought they were excellent today," the Rovers boss told his club's website.

Lol. No offense, but I have not witnessed such atmosphere among the Roversfans since the end of the Ince`era.

So if Kean is trying to make this look like the fans supported him, and was super. Then he is just trying to manipulate the owners into thinking that everyone loves him as the brilliantmanager he is.

[AggyBlue]

Wanting rovers to lose isn't right!

We are in an extreme situation Abster. I can understand fans wanting us to lose

[Fowl Play]

Never happy or want to lose but at the moment, if it helps towards pushing kean out, I view losing as the lesser of 2 evils to try and help secure our long-term future.

I hate myself for feeling this way but I lay the blame for it solely at venky's door as for some reason(s) not apparent to the rational world, they are still have blind faith in kean and it would seem that they will only change their minds if we go on a winless streak and get marooned at the bottom. That, together with the increasing pressure from the fans, will force their hand, albeit reluctantly.

If we keep picking up the odd win here and there, maybe just 1 in 5 or 6 in keeping with kean's record, I fear they will persist with him but as we all know, it will be too late - the time to act is now whilst there are still enough games left to save ourselves.

Basically, I just feel that we as Rovers fans are really stuck between a rock and a hard place now.

[RibbleValleyRover]

For those that believe wanting Rovers to lose in order to force the manager is wrong ask yourselves this question:

Will Rovers stay up if Kean stays in the job?

My answer would be that Rovers will not be in the Premier League next season if Kean gets a full season as manager. Also the longer he remains in the job the harder it will be for the next manager to come in and pull off a survival miracle. Kean is a highly dangerous manager to have at a club. He is one that wins a game, loses the next 5 then wins another and once again loses the next 5.

Let's face reality here, the only way he will be sacked is if we continue to lose games and the heavier the better. If Rovers win their next game that that means Kean is likely safe for another 5 and the 'cycle of rubbishness' repeats.

[ABBEY]

Oh let's get this right if you want the team to win you ain't a rovers fan and if you want us lose against even the dingles you are a fan ....

Ok say we get dicked 0-4 again and the toon do us too, how many losses do you shout for? 10,20 league 1?

Because there's no guarantee that the scumbags in charge will pot him!!!

[chris]

Oh let's get this right if you want the team to win you ain't a rovers fan and if you want us lose against even the dingles you are a fan ....

Ok say we get dicked 0-4 again and the toon do us too, how many losses do you shout for? 10,20 league 1?

Because there's no guarantee that the scumbags in charge will pot him!!!

Most people can respect both point of views (I can) that winning and losing has its positives and negatives.

You obviously don't think Kean is the poison if you are not willing to sacrifice to remove the poison.

If Blackburn get a lucky win like against Arsenal, what do you think is the future for Blackburn with Kean and his 98% backing as he will tell the press?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Oh let's get this right if you want the team to win you ain't a rovers fan and if you want us lose against even the dingles you are a fan ....

I don't believe that personally. I think both sides have argued valid points on why they feel the way they do and I wouldn't question whether or not somebody is a 'real' fan or not over this issue. But if people want to feel that way then so be it.

Ok say we get dicked 0-4 again and the toon do us too, how many losses do you shout for? 10,20 league 1?

Because there's no guarantee that the scumbags in charge will pot him!!!

The owners are under some serious pressure to act right now and it's clear not everything is rosy behind the scenes (Jensen going, Clement coming in, talk of a DOF, Protests planned, media pressure ramping up). We can only guess what the owners will do but I believe that if we lose heavily against Spurs there is a very good chance Kean will be sacked.

[ABBEY]

But that was said against city to

[RibbleValleyRover]

But that was said against city to

The fluke result against Arsenal when the owners were present got him a lot more time. If Rovers had lost that he would in my view have gone then or after the City mauling.

[ABBEY]

Based on what exactly?

[m1st]

Never happy or want to lose but at the moment, if it helps towards pushing kean out, I view losing as the lesser of 2 evils to try and help secure our long-term future.

I hate myself for feeling this way but I lay the blame for it solely at venky's door as for some reason(s) not apparent to the rational world, they are still have blind faith in kean and it would seem that they will only change their minds if we go on a winless streak and get marooned at the bottom. That, together with the increasing pressure from the fans, will force their hand, albeit reluctantly.

If we keep picking up the odd win here and there, maybe just 1 in 5 or 6 in keeping with kean's record, I fear they will persist with him but as we all know, it will be too late - the time to act is now whilst there are still enough games left to save ourselves.

Basically, I just feel that we as Rovers fans are really stuck between a rock and a hard place now.

Excellent post, Fowl Play.

I'm sure that none of us wakes up on a matchday and says, "Oh, good; Rovers are playing today; let's hope they lose!" Of course we don't; and it would be stupid to imply that any of us does.

It's more that we're almost resigned to defeat [or a draw against not-very-good opposition] each time the team runs onto the pitch. We [reluctantly] tolerate it because of what we hope it will lead to in terms of getting rid of Kean sooner rather than too late. Wins, even fluky ones like the one against Arsenal, are a bonus.

[PapaLaz]

Hypothetical scenario:

Last game of the season. Rovers are safe, let's say in 8th, and there no way the last game's results would change our finishing position.

We're away to Wolves. There's a massive relegation fight going on, and the outcome is if Wolves WIN, then Burnley go down.

Is there anyone who would accept the loss?

Sure there will be plenty wanting Burnley to avoid the drop, just so we can cane them for a double the following season, but I bet there are some who would just as likely love them to go down.

Point I'm making is I think it's harsh to say anyone wishing we'd take a defeat, or even being apathetic to our result, is not a true fan. Maybe not quite the same level of fanatic, but even that's up for debate.

Really good thread, which prompted one of my first (if not my actual first) post on the boards. I've lurked for a while, so be gentle

Imho, I find myself becoming more disinterested in the result. I took great pride from my team vs Arsenal, however lucky the win was and however poor Arsenal were, but seeing all the post-match gumpf from the bald one.... well, a little bit more of me died inside, as I realised he was made for a few more games at least now.

I don't want us to lose for the sake of it, but if Monday morning comes round, we've taking a kicking from the spuds, and Steve Kean has been sacked, will you be smiling or crying?

[Steve Moss]

Smiling.

[rhodie]

Ive been trying to define how I feel about supporting Rovers lately and I guess the best way to explain my feelings would be .. Tainted,because It seems the club has somehow been sullied by the way we have been ridiculed and dragged through the mud time after time since the takeover and frustrated,because it seems that nothing the fans say or do about the manager and the way he has us playing is being taken on board.The objective in any sport has to be to win and yet whenever we play lately all that goes through my mind is how badly we are going to be beaten and how the manager and everyone from planet venky`s think that this is a positive.It seems to be a case of damned if we win and damned if we lose,so basically I don`t think it matters one iota which of the two matters......unfortunatly.

[BPF]

Oh let's get this right if you want the team to win you ain't a rovers fan and if you want us lose against even the dingles you are a fan ....

Ok say we get dicked 0-4 again and the toon do us too, how many losses do you shout for? 10,20 league 1?

Because there's no guarantee that the scumbags in charge will pot him!!!

If we get relegated and they still keep him in that job then that will be it for me. It feels less and less like the club I've spent my whole life supporting with each passing day. I had to fake a celebration when Samba scored on Saturday, because I felt nothing. I hate this.

[ABBEY]

Well you lot got your wish ,we lost ! Are you happy? Proud?