[Archived] Protest Round Up

[Amo]

I think super_arran just can't help playing contrary, regardless of the subject. As long as it goes against the grain, (anti-protests, support Kean, back Keith Andrews) he'll argue against it.

[super_arran]

Protest movements do generally share certain patterns

i.e crowd of people, chanting, banners etc

I think what has got people's backs up is that you have chosen an EDL protest as an example, when you could have equally chosen the Teachers union march, Anti-Capitalist march, Student protest, Anti Race Discrimination, Anti-war, Anti-tax etc etc

yet you chose a group who are pretty much seen as narrow minded racists to compare the ewood park protests to. That's not right and doesn't help your point.

I understand your point, but there wasn't a programme on about the others haha

[roverandout]

chris fox darwen blue's posts are wrong simple!!!

[T.J.Newton]

That's all well and good but they are not going to sack him and he his not man enough to resign, maybe when he is in jail he might!

waffle waffle waffle,

[yoda]

waffle waffle waffle,

Would you like maple syrup on those

[Fowl Play]

I think Arran's post has more than adequately been responded to by others so just a couple of points:

1. I couldn't afford Stone Island clobber even if I wanted it and in any event, I'd want a lot more for £600 or so than a poxy duffle-coat!

2. At 43 years years old, I'm not sure whether to take being called a 'chav' as an insult or a compliment?

I'm not sure what videos Arran has been watching of the protest marches, etc, but I was there at both marches and the sit-ins and the actual reality was that there was a broad cross-section of different people of different ages and backgrounds. Further, they were not 'mindless followers' but decent people with enough back-bone and courage of their convictions to get off their backsides to air their feelings.

BRFC is rotten to the core at the moment and Kean is just symptomatic of that. Thats the real embarrassment.

[T.J.Newton]

also way to many young kids at the protests just copying whats going on around them, sad.

kean out-venkys get ya ship together

[ABBEY]

Arran , please explain what's wrong with shaved heads .

[47er]

I'm all for government assistance in getting us out of our plight if anyone can tell me exactly why it is they ought to be interested/involved?

But if they intervened in every business that had a couple of turnips running it or every transaction where one party got fooled by a shyster into paying over the odds for something they'd be pretty busy.

If anyone thinks anything criminal or contrary to business law is taking place they are quite entitled to walk into a police station - admittedly if they can find one manned/open - and report it

I don't think: "Does the House consider that Mr Steve Kean has made some poor substitutions and thereby squandered a two-goal lead on two recent occasions, not to mention his erroneous selection of penalty takers, and thus ought to be removed from his position? And why are Blackburn employing a Brazilian national right-back who has a perfectly valid passport and work permit but never plays even when Salgado is crocked?" is quite a priority to set before the nation just yet.

You have very little understanding of these matters I think. You can't even make a distinction between a local MP and the Government. The Government is not involved and nobody has asked for direct help from them

The idea was to ask a local MP to raise matters in the house which people are reluctant to raise publicly because of the possibility of litigation. Then we'll all know what's going on. As simple as that.

Do you get it now?

[Mercer]

I think Arran's post has more than adequately been responded to by others so just a couple of points:

1. I couldn't afford Stone Island clobber even if I wanted it and in any event, I'd want a lot more for £600 or so than a poxy duffle-coat!

2. At 43 years years old, I'm not sure whether to take being called a 'chav' as an insult or a compliment?

I'm not sure what videos Arran has been watching of the protest marches, etc, but I was there at both marches and the sit-ins and the actual reality was that there was a broad cross-section of different people of different ages and backgrounds. Further, they were not 'mindless followers' but decent people with enough back-bone and courage of their convictions to get off their backsides to air their feelings.

BRFC is rotten to the core at the moment and Kean is just symptomatic of that. Thats the real embarrassment.

Very good post.

Unfortunately, your opinion in your last point is a perception shared by probably only about 5% of the hard core support of say 18,000. This 5% or so, are the ones who participate on MB's including the LT's comments' sections and from such activity, are able to pick-up more on some of the issues speculated about.

The more people you can switch on to the type of issues covered on this MB and through Podcasts, the bigger the frustration, anger and protest will become.

I think local media is pretty placid and not probing the more 'difficult' areas. For example, if you look at Andy Cryer's twitter tonight, several supporters are pushing him about the Barclays' Mortgage (with Podcast 14 mentioned) and other alleged issues. Will he push and probe these lines with the club, as a very good investigative journalist would, and comment on circumstances and possible implications in the LT, I very much doubt. I suspect the MEN or Liverpool Echo would be all over like a rash if any of the Manchester, Liverpool clubs respectively.

The saying that ignorance is bliss where most of our supporters are concerned has never been more true.

[Baz]

He write this in the paper.

Here’s my idea of how to handle the Swansea game, assuming Steve Kean is still in the hotseat:

Arrive at the ground with a smile on your face

Walk, don’t march.

Stand for 90 minutes singing positive songs

Support the team

Applaud where appropriate

Here’s the big one. Don’t boo

Let’s see what effect that has.

The club was made a laughing stock the moment Venkys sacked Sam and appointed a coach with no managerial experience at all

I wonder if he'll banned from the ground on health & safety grounds? Fancy trying to get people to stand up for 90 minutes?

[booth]

Toothless? Right, that's why I'm sticking up for my own beliefs on the subject rather than just following the crowd...

Simpleton? That's why I've always explained my posts so everyone can understand them.

Seems daft that recently on this messageboard if you're not Anti Kean/Venkys, you're posts get blown out of all proportion "you're saying we act exactly like the EDL???" no. But the programme I saw showed a man with a mic giving facts/figures/opinions etc and a group of young angry looking men seemingly agreeing with everything the guy with the mic said and then chanting. Much like I've seen at Ewood.

People seem to think every pro kean, or more to the point anti protest post is a personal attack on themselves....

My post really went over your head Arran, but thanks for making my point. You attacked a group of people, yet you go a bit crazy when you get a bit of stick back.

You compared BRFC protestors on a BRFC message board with the EDL. Pretty abhorrent in more ways than one. But I don't suppose you are capable of understanding why that's a very offensive thing to post, or you wouldn't have done it in the first place.

I meant on this messageboard. On the whole; one block in the BBE isn't really a massive percentage of people who want him gone either

Silent majority.

You're wrong, mark my words.

[John]

Very good post.

Unfortunately, your opinion in your last point is a perception shared by probably only about 5% of the hard core support of say 18,000. This 5% or so, are the ones who participate on MB's including the LT's comments' sections and from such activity, are able to pick-up more on some of the issues speculated about.

The more people you can switch on to the type of issues covered on this MB and through Podcasts, the bigger the frustration, anger and protest will become.

I think local media is pretty placid and not probing the more 'difficult' areas. For example, if you look at Andy Cryer's twitter tonight, several supporters are pushing him about the Barclays' Mortgage (with Podcast 14 mentioned) and other alleged issues. Will he push and probe these lines with the club, as a very good investigative journalist would, and comment on circumstances and possible implications in the LT, I very much doubt. I suspect the MEN or Liverpool Echo would be all over like a rash if any of the Manchester, Liverpool clubs respectively.

The saying that ignorance is bliss where most of our supporters are concerned has never been more true.

Very true, for too long now the key questions and issues have just been ignored - our finances, role of Kentaro, why the hell is a coach our manager, why we have no chairman - the list goes on, can only presume many people don't want to know the answers, don't blame them in a sense.

[super_arran]

Arran , please explain what's wrong with shaved heads .

Nothing Abbey, as I too have a short back and sides.

I was highlighting the fact that most pictures and videos from the protests show young lads with a generic shaved head.

My post really went over your head Arran, but thanks for making my point. You attacked a group of people, yet you go a bit crazy when you get a bit of stick back.

You compared BRFC protestors on a BRFC message board with the EDL. Pretty abhorrent in more ways than one. But I don't suppose you are capable of understanding why that's a very offensive thing to post, or you wouldn't have done it in the first place.

Silent majority.

You're wrong, mark my words.

As have mine it would appear.

I didn't attack a group of people, I mearly pointed out what the protesters are being perceived as. Which I explained in my posts....

The bold bit. Prove it. Because as it appears there's one block of the BBE that stays for a sit in and around 400 protest marchers.

I'm not saying you're wrong; because I haven't spoke to everyone in the stadium. But my guess is; neither have you.

I CAN see why people would take offence to the EDL comparison...if they take it the wrong way.

It was a simple comparison. Maybe a poor one. But that's what was on the telly yesterday. And that clip is what reminded me of the protests.

Not the organisation, not their views, just the clip of a guy with a mic preaching to his followers.

[Kelbo]

Nothing Abbey, as I too have a short back and sides.

I was highlighting the fact that most pictures and videos from the protests show young lads with a generic shaved head.

As have mine it would appear.

I didn't attack a group of people, I mearly pointed out what the protesters are being perceived as. Which I explained in my posts....

The bold bit. Prove it. Because as it appears there's one block of the BBE that stays for a sit in and around 400 protest marchers.

I'm not saying you're wrong; because I haven't spoke to everyone in the stadium. But my guess is; neither have you.

I CAN see why people would take offence to the EDL comparison...if they take it the wrong way.

It was a simple comparison. Maybe a poor one. But that's what was on the telly yesterday. And that clip is what reminded me of the protests.

I always remember Steve Kindon ex Burnley and Wolves saying to a lad with a shaved head, thats not F****** hard, I'll tell you whats hard, Tommy Smith ex Liverpool player kicking you ten foot up in the air and when landing on top of him said, get off me ya TW** - thats bloody hard, now he had longer hair, was 30 to 40 at the time and all the shaved heads in the world wouldnt have gone near him, nor Souness in his playing days, he would have murdered them!

[Ste B]

I always remember Steve Kindon ex Burnley and Wolves saying to a lad with a shaved head, thats not F****** hard, I'll tell you whats hard, Tommy Smith ex Liverpool player kicking you ten foot up in the air and when landing on top of him said, get off me ya TW** - thats bloody hard, now he had longer hair, was 30 to 40 at the time and all the shaved heads in the world wouldnt have gone near him, nor Souness in his playing days, he would have murdered them!

Kindon tells that story at Sportsmans Dinners, with a "welcome to Anfield" line. He's surprisingly quite good for somebody with a speech impediment.

[booth]

Nothing Abbey, as I too have a short back and sides.

I was highlighting the fact that most pictures and videos from the protests show young lads with a generic shaved head.

As have mine it would appear.

I didn't attack a group of people, I mearly pointed out what the protesters are being perceived as. Which I explained in my posts....

The bold bit. Prove it. Because as it appears there's one block of the BBE that stays for a sit in and around 400 protest marchers.

I'm not saying you're wrong; because I haven't spoke to everyone in the stadium. But my guess is; neither have you.

I CAN see why people would take offence to the EDL comparison...if they take it the wrong way.

It was a simple comparison. Maybe a poor one. But that's what was on the telly yesterday. And that clip is what reminded me of the protests.

Not the organisation, not their views, just the clip of a guy with a mic preaching to his followers.

I don't need to prove it Arran, I'm sure it will all come out soon. It certainly won't turn around with a click of one of the worst football managers fingers. But I'm not going to keep going on at you, it's a free country and up to you if you want to believe what you're being fed.

As for the EDL comparison. Well, all protests pretty much alike. All that changes are the uniforms and politics.

[super_arran]

I think super_arran just can't help playing contrary, regardless of the subject. As long as it goes against the grain, (anti-protests, support Kean, back Keith Andrews) he'll argue against it.

Right in a way.

But I see myself as a more "glass half full" kind of guy and think things through on that basis.

I don't just disagree for the hell of it, I'll always try to explain why.

Ps. I don't stick up for Jason Roberts though.

[brian_gallagher85]

Whether you're pro or anti protest I'd like to see the fan who can justify any kind of support for a manager who has been in charge of over 30 games and during this time has lost over HALF of them!

[thenodrog]

Kindon tells that story at Sportsmans Dinners, with a "welcome to Anfield" line. He's surprisingly quite good for somebody with a speech impediment.

Struck me as as mad as a hatter. Funny though.

[Majiball]

Arran , please explain what's wrong with shaved heads .

Nothing at all ABB's, just moronic generalisation.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

The bold bit. Prove it. Because as it appears there's one block of the BBE that stays for a sit in and around 400 protest marchers.

I'm not saying you're wrong; because I haven't spoke to everyone in the stadium. But my guess is; neither have you.

The LET published/quoted an official Yougov poll of Rovers supporters back on 10th September.

I quote:

"A YouGov survey has also revealed this week that 81 per cent of Rovers supporters polled would like the club to have a new boss."

Consider that this was after the transfer window, following the 1-1 draw at Fulham. It was also pre-protest, the game before the Arsenal win.

Can't see any reason why that percentage would swing dramatically in favour of Kean based on the last 2 months.

Proof enough?

[super_arran]

The LET published/quoted an official Yougov poll of Rovers supporters back on 10th September.

I quote:

"A YouGov survey has also revealed this week that 81 per cent of Rovers supporters polled would like the club to have a new boss."

Consider that this was after the transfer window, following the 1-1 draw at Fulham. It was also pre-protest, the game before the Arsenal win.

Can't see any reason why that percentage would swing dramatically in favour of Kean based on the last 2 months.

Proof enough?

And how many people were asked in that survey?

Because that might be telling.

If it's more than; say; 5000. Then I'll agree you have a point.

But if it's a couple of hundred then really it's no different to a poll on here.

[BRFC1995]

If the paypal setup wants a donation for a plane at every game.......trailing the **** ups stats i'm well up for donating

[Amo]

The protests have made a martyr of Kean. The national press sympathizes with Kean and some corners have demonized the protesters.

Time to rethink your strategy. But please don't turn the protests onto Venky's because it'll probably get them all knighthoods on current form.