[Archived] Flowers

[chris]

So you think winning 3 games since the 1st feb is good enough? Thats 3 wins 25 games. You need at least 40 points to stay up, meaning you need 10-12 wins plus 4-10 draws (less for more wins or more for less wins)

Roberts is injured, so its either Yak or Goodwillie, Salgado is also injured I believe.

This is not the point Kean should have been sacked ages ago, but the last two teams he has put out have been very good and they are playing well for the manger.

I don't like Kean but happy with the last two team he has put out and think that team will beat wigan.

[3rdpillar]

The players are NOT playing for the manager, they are playing for themselves to keep thire lives in a manner to which they have become acustomed!

[alexanders]

So, you feel the manager aside Venky's have done little wrong alexanders?

Yes and no.

Getting rid / parting with John Williams and Tom Finn was a horrible decision, but as others have mentioned before me not very unsual when it comes to business takeovers.

I cant come up with other things the Venky's have done wrongly. Please tell me.

Of the positive side of things I can say:

- buying young potential

- naming the stand ronnie clayton stand (honouring a legend)

- giving away free vouchers for the travelling fans

- continuing with low ticket pricez for the local people of Blackburn and the area.

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The players are NOT playing for the manager, they are playing for themselves to keep thire lives in a manner to which they have become acustomed!

They didnt when Ince was in charge.

[Mattyblue]

I already have alex, but one more for you.

They paid more in agents fee on ONE tranfer than JW paid in two years.

Ticket prices, a good move, but the others you have mentioned mean nothing in the grand scheme of running a professional football club and are mere window dressing.

[St_Jimmy_77]

In the last couple of months i have heard:

Don't want you to do a march because it goes past my dad's house and it will effect him deeply.

Don't do a March because its too early

Don't do a March because it will effect the players

Don't chant during games as it will effect the players

Don't do sit-ins because you are making us a laughing stock and an embarrassment

Dont bring banners as it will upset the players

Don't bring banners because it will upset supporters

Don't Protest before or during games

Don't trivialise death by laying flowers

Don't leave anti kean or anti Venkys messages

We was not expected to win those games

Get behind the team (Which everyone has I may add)

We are turning the corner and have been unlucky and our one win in eleven is false.

Only protest against if we lose to teams like Wigan

Don't protest at all, accept that Venkys own the team, Kean Manages the team and if they take us down don't worry about it, its only a game

Don't have a go at non-protestors but please accept them to have a go at you

Above all we have people still making excuses for them and thinking it will all blow over...............

Forgive me for being worried, I can't change the way I am as a person or the way I tackle issues. I have always been a pro-active individual who faces problems head on. Did I ever think I would spend so much precious time on Blackburn Rovers? Time I will never get back, Do I think its worth it?

Absoulutely, I'm Rovers Til I Die, and ain't going to stand by and take our club fading away lieing down, I don't know what makes others tick, I can only speak for myself, but for everyone who Knocks Simon and I for trying there is someone who is fully behind what we are doing. There is no "I" In team, and everyone who has took part or has supported the reasons for us doing it is all part of the same team. There is no leaders, no-one who makes a final decision, everything we have doen to date is with the majority vote from those taking part.

If people do not wish to take part then thats fine, but don't have a go at us that will continue to fight for what we believe is right. If people want to slate us, then they can't expect to sit back and not react back.

Nobody is faulting you putting with all the effort, time and ultimately money into the protests / sit ins. Your clearly a very passionate person of which I admire greatly. I have always maintained respect for you and eventually Simon for doing what you think is right. The only thing I disagree on is the protests / marches themselves. I fully agree with the reasons behind them. But I am willing to see how things pan out. That's because I'm not privvy enough to the information you and others apparently hold. I have commended you and others in various forms and yet all I get back is people (not yourself nor Simon) slating my opinion and saying I'm not a 'true fan' (whatever that is) for not 'taking action'. I am more than happy to share my side of the story as you are aware I am one of the most vocal with my opinion. I have good friends who have been on every single march / sit in / protest who have commented that these people slating my view/opinion need to stop disrespecting other fans views. I applaud you for respecting my views; however compiling the list shown above shows a great deal of resentment towards the people that choose not to protest. Therefore that is inevitably going to cause a divide amongst fans. One that is making myself and others feel very frustrated with the whole situation surrounding our club.

Remember Glen, this is not against you or your reasons for the protests. This is against the idea of protesting in general. I don't agree it's the right thing to do. Challenging me and others who share the same view to think of something else, is in my opinion antagonising and makes me a lot less inclined to approach you (I can't bring Simon into this as I have never spoken to him) with any ideas I may have had.

If anyone wants me to elaborate further; I am more than willing to do so via PM and not on the public board. If not fine, at least I've given that opportunity.

[OJRovers]

This is not the point Kean should have been sacked ages ago, but the last two teams he has put out have been very good and they are playing well for the manger.

I don't like Kean but happy with the last two team he has put out and think that team will beat wigan.

What about the:

debts the owners are taking out against the club

not putting any of their own money in

agents' fees

no leadership at ewood

shambolic transfer window

losing our best young players

no chairman

no communication with fans (infact showing no respect for fans)

no sponsor

inept manager that can't attract players

So none of this matters to you if we beat Wigan??

[Jackson]

I cant come up with other things the Venky's have done wrongly. Please tell me.

I'd love to, but I can't seem to spare the time between repeatedly smacking my head into a brick wall.

[hawkiiz]

To be honest I don't know how the club is being run. I don't know if JA has anything to do with anything, or how much he is paid. A lot of answers on that will be available november 30th when the books get published.

All of it is for me just rumours because I am not in the know, and nobody cares to tell me in depth and detail what is going wrong at the club.

That's not saying everything is right. In fact I don believe we are in trouble, and because of that I am not against protests in principle, but I am not supporting how they are coming across.

For every protest I have seen (I live in Norway) it has looked like a minority. That's what it looks like in pictures and on the tv, no matter what you say about the numbers. They look small, at it does come across as silly. Sorry if that is offending anyone, especially you, Glen. I don't mean to.

It is the same with these flowers. A tiny bunch of flowers like that does look silly, and I am afraid it works against it's purpose, because Kean CAN AND WILL use this against you, saying it is a minority. And you can't blame him either!

Even the poll on this site suggests it is a minority. 500-ish votes, is a minority, even though the percentage tells you otherwise. It is important to keep in mind that it is a percentage of the people active on BRFCS.COM. For those who are not on this site, you have no idea what they think, or how they would vote.

Because of this, I suggest the protests stop untill they get better organised, with far more people. I understand that is a very very hard job to do, but to make an impact, it has to be done. If not, it will continue to work against it's purpose.

I am sorry to let you down, Glen, but this is the reality as far as I can tell, and a lot like me only get what we see on tv or read on the internet. Much like the Venky bunch, who are never at the ground.

I don't know what would work, and what it would cost, but I think spending the money on an ad in the LT would pay off better than putting down some flowers. Get the information into peoples homes, and write it out over a few paragraphs. That way they can understand better what is potentially going on.

Put a QR code on the ad, that refers to a blog post or something. Invite people to a meeting somewhere. Numbers must be increased, and fast. The 200-300 people protest will never work or do any good. It has to be ten times that. At the very least.

[alexanders]

So you dismiss off-field events as "rumour" but are satisfied with a list of names of whom you know nothing as "seems like an OK bunch"?

Please, do expand. I'm intrigued.

Of course I dismiss off-field events as rumours when I have none facts whatsoever to base it on. I have read abit about Karen Silk, Paul Hunt (who was rumoured to have been sacked a while ago!), Simon Hunt and Simon Williams. They seem decent with good experience and also a variety of backgrounds which can help create some dynamics.

[rovgers]

Name one person on this board that was unhappy with the last two Kean team selections?

While I'll give you the fact we did OK against a poor Chelsea side, didn't his substitutions against Norwich contribute to throwing away a 2 goal lead?!

Name one person that thought the players were not playing for the manager we so hate?

Can a PROFESSIONAL player not play well for his own pride and the fact he's getting paid 10's of thousands a week!

Name anyone who think that Kean replacing Salgado with Lowe, Petrovic with Pedersen, and Roberts with Yakubu was not a good move?

Wouldn't it have been a better move to have bought a full back to replace him (sorry, I forgot he brought in an unknown brazilian and super Myles). If he thinks Pedersen is a better player than Petrovic, why did he buy him?

What chances do you think that many fans after the wigan game will have renewed hope based on how well we have been playing?

Even if we get beat but play well, I hope we beat Wigan but I can't believe that so may people think the result is a given!

I hate Kean as a person, he is slime but if he plays the team he is playing, I think he might get a few wins coming up.

I hope you're right but after throwing away a 2 goal lead against a newly promoted side, I can't see where from

Our life under The Trust was not so great, Venkys will not give Kean forever, Kean taken advantage of them, but pretty sure Jack Walker gave Kidd 13 or 14 games after getting us relegated.

The main difference between Kean and Kidd, was Kidd had a 27.27 win percent. I'm sure he would've been sacked alot sooner if his win percentage was 18.75!

[John]

Yes and no.

Getting rid / parting with John Williams and Tom Finn was a horrible decision, but as others have mentioned before me not very unsual when it comes to business takeovers.

What about these assurances which they have either lied about or failed on?

- intended to continue to support the existing management team and staff, and that it is committed to the future development of, and investment in, the club’s academy and youth infrastructure.

- would seek to develop and improve commercial performance across sponsorship, the club’s kit deal and general merchandising.

The 2 most important people at a football club are usually the manager and chairman, the lack of respect show towards these positions has seen us regress off and on the pitch – there is little point discussing this though, IMO, as the conflict of interest masks most things which have taken place at the club (Kean getting the job, JW not liking JA’s role etc).

[chris]

Chris, I think this post sums up the problem Glen + Simon etc are facing.

The non-protestors and Kean/Venky apologists, don't know what Glen does about what is happening OFF THE PITCH

Performances have improved - results haven't

BUT - OFF THE PITCH THE CLUB IS A SHAMBLES AND THAT IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THE PROTEST

How do I know if what Glen says is happening off the pitch is actually true or what he interrupts that news correctly.

we all know how Chinese Whispers work and probably 90% of rumours are bull e.g. Kean has a new contract, venkys are selling.

how can I feel angry about something that doesn't exist to me, Glen not my leader that I believe him without "needing to know".

[alexanders]

I already have alex, but one more for you.

They paid more in agents fee on ONE tranfer than JW paid in two years.

Clearly very wrong, but for all I know that is how things are done when it comes to Barca and Argentinan players.

If this was the snake JA's work it has been reported that he is no longer involved with Rovers.

P.S I appreciate that we are able to have a sensible discussion about what has a deep meaning to us all.

[rovers_rob]

How do I know if what Glen says is happening off the pitch is actually true or what he interrupts that news correctly.

we all know how Chinese Whispers work and probably 90% of rumours are bull e.g. Kean has a new contract, venkys are selling.

how can I feel angry about something that doesn't exist to me, Glen not my leader that I believe him without "needing to know".

Glad we can put this one to bed :

@northern_rover : Premier League have told me in no uncertain terms today that no investigation into Rovers, they are satisfied by way Rovers do business.

[Steve Moss]

If this was the snake JA's work it has been reported that he is no longer involved with Rovers.

And it has been reported that he's still lurking about. Which do you believe and why?

[EwoodDawn]

Uploaded some pics on facebook taken at Jack's statue approx 1.15 Nov 15th. They've started to arrive. Popped into Ewood florists and got mine while I was down there. Room for plenty more.

[chris]

While I'll give you the fact we did OK against a poor Chelsea side, didn't his substitutions against Norwich contribute to throwing away a 2 goal lead?!

blimey who knows, I might have kept Rochina on, history shows that Rochina can also be a danger man under pressure, which I still think we would have faced away from home, Dunn can do the defnsive role better. Dodgy pen. even if we had won I doubt I would have enjoyed much because Kean would have annoyed me.

Can a PROFESSIONAL player not play well for his own pride and the fact he's getting paid 10's of thousands a week!

If they thought he was complete clown they could have pushed him out. Players that have been average under Sam e.g. Olssen, Pedersen, Nzonzi have been giving that extra effort under Kean.

Wouldn't it have been a better move to have bought a full back to replace him. If he thinks Pedersen is a better player than Petrovic, why did he buy him?

Pedersen is 30 and Petrovic is 22 maybe one reason, why did he buy Petrovic?, I don't know he has been crap, not really the point, every manager buys crap players, I'm not that impressed by Kean signings I'm just talking about will Kean pick the right team to beat Wigan and I think he will, dispite the fact I dislike Kean.

Kean was a lying prick in the window, I'm still angry about that

Even if we get beat but play well, I hope we beat Wigan but I can't believe that so may people think the result is a given!

Because we are the better team I think, if we don;t beat Wigan its criminal

I hope you're right but after throwing away a 2 goal lead against a newly promoted side, I can't see where from

then he deserves to go, but I'll admit that game was very unlucky, it was not a pen at all

The main difference between Kean and Kidd, was Kidd had a 27.27 win percent. I'm sure he would've been sacked alot sooner if his win percentage was 18.75!

It's more shocking that someone as experienced as Jack would give Kidd so much time, very disappointed in everything Jack did from July 1995 to 1999, he got everything wrong.

[alexanders]

And it has been reported that he's still lurking about. Which do you believe and why?

Is it okey if I say that I believe that he is long gone in the daily business, but still attached through his management bureau (tv deals etc)?

[Steve Moss]

If they thought he was complete clown they could have pushed him out. Players that have been average under Sam e.g. Olssen, Pedersen, Nzonzi have been giving that extra effort under Kean.

Wasn't N'Zonzi player of the year under Sam?

And Pedersen always has ups and downs.

Olssen is still pretty much the same, so far as I can tell: good on the left, a decent LB and a woeful crosser of the ball.

Is it okey if I say that I believe that he is long gone in the daily business, but still attached through his management bureau (tv deals etc)?

Sure. Why?

I freely confess that I don't know what to believe. So everything to me is about the table, the points, the [alleged] debt, the organization of the club, and the fact I despise Kean.

[PAFELL]

Kamy has said on twitter that there is NO INVESTIGATION BY THE FA INTO ROVERS. This he has been told by the FA Who are happy how rovers go about their business.

[den]

Kamy has said on twitter that there is NO INVESTIGATION BY THE FA INTO ROVERS. This he has been told by the FA Who are happy how rovers go about their business.

So I've read.

Strange how they know that without investigating though.

[Mattyblue]

While I'll give you the fact we did OK against a poor Chelsea side, didn't his substitutions against Norwich contribute to throwing away a 2 goal lead?!

blimey who knows, I might have kept Rochina on, history shows that Rochina can also be a danger man under pressure, which I still think we would have faced away from home, Dunn can do the defnsive role better. Dodgy pen. even if we had won I doubt I would have enjoyed much because Kean would have annoyed me.

Can a PROFESSIONAL player not play well for his own pride and the fact he's getting paid 10's of thousands a week!

If they thought he was complete clown they could have pushed him out. Players that have been average under Sam e.g. Olssen, Pedersen, Nzonzi have been giving that extra effort under Kean.

Wouldn't it have been a better move to have bought a full back to replace him. If he thinks Pedersen is a better player than Petrovic, why did he buy him?

Pedersen is 30 and Petrovic is 22 maybe one reason, why did he buy Petrovic?, I don't know he has been crap, not really the point, every manager buys crap players, I'm not that impressed by Kean signings I'm just talking about will Kean pick the right team to beat Wigan and I think he will, dispite the fact I dislike Kean.

Kean was a lying prick in the window, I'm still angry about that

Even if we get beat but play well, I hope we beat Wigan but I can't believe that so may people think the result is a given!

Because we are the better team I think, if we don;t beat Wigan its criminal

I hope you're right but after throwing away a 2 goal lead against a newly promoted side, I can't see where from

then he deserves to go, but I'll admit that game was very unlucky, it was not a pen at all

The main difference between Kean and Kidd, was Kidd had a 27.27 win percent. I'm sure he would've been sacked alot sooner if his win percentage was 18.75!

It's more shocking that someone as experienced as Jack would give Kidd so much time, very disappointed in everything Jack did from July 1995 to 1999, he got everything wrong.

Didn't you start a thread saying slagging off Kean's signings? 'they all take 6 to 48 months to settle'?

Now you think he should only go if we don't beat Wigan?

And on Jack 95-99, tell you what chris, when I was celebrating winning at Arsenal and being top of the league Chrismas 97', I didn't think any of us or Jack himself had thought he had made the wrong choice.

[chris]

What about the:

debts the owners are taking out against the club

I'm not an account, how do I nkow what all the debts are, from whta I know venkys earn 120 million a year, Glazer have debts against Man U they can afford. Under the Walkers trust we were barely above water, infact we had to sell to survive.

not putting any of their own money in

agents' fees

How can you sure this is true, Venkys promised to invest 5 million in the Jan window, where is the evidence that they didn't fund that?

no leadership at ewood

Venkys are far more vocal then anyone I can remember previously, their role clashed hugely with Williams role. From what I have seen the relationship between the players and venkys is ok, I'm sure they would have liked Williams there though.

shambolic transfer window

2009 and 2010 were worse unless you like andrerws, Grella and Benjani

losing our best young players

If we had finished 6th and Hughes was our manager, Jones would have still gone to United. Hoilett is a problem I blame Kean for mainly rather then Venkys.

no chairman

Chairlady, did you think she would step down

no communication with fans (infact showing no respect for fans)

when did the Walkers trust communicate with the fans, Kean goes on the radio, Venkys arei n the press all the time, I can;t even remember one quote from the Walkers Trust in my life and I'd hear from Williams 3 or 4 times a year.

no sponsor

Maybe they can afford it, it looks good

inept manager that can't attract players

Yeah thats their problem, but I still think Kean is the problem, he is such a slimmy git

So none of this matters to you if we beat Wigan??

It still matters but results matter more

Didn't you start a thread saying slagging off Kean's signings? 'they all take 6 to 48 months to settle'?

Ijust quoted Petrovic is crap and i'm not impressed by Keans signings, what is your point?

Now you think he should only go if we don't beat Wigan?

yes it would be a shocking defeat, there are other reasons he should go but wigan is a massive game

And on Jack 95-99, tell you what chris, when I was celebrating winning at Arsenal and being top of the league Chrismas 97', I didn't think any of us or Jack himself had thought he had made the wrong choice.

so you judge on short term success then and how did you feel when Hadgson was buying Dailly 5.4 million, Davies 7.25 m, Peacock, Blake, Davidson the list goes on and destorying our club after his little honeymoon period with Blackburn 19th or 20th in the league? was that a good feeling?, you think Jack Walker crying was a good feeling? hodgson was a shocking nightmare in the end

[PAFELL]

So I've read.

Strange how they know that without investigating though.

Maybe no need to investigate when No allegations have been made by anybody.

So the club is dying on what grounds? Premier league safety maybe in danger that is all. So it now appears.

[Mattyblue]

'Jack got everything wrong 95-99',

Top at Xmas and a 6th place finish in Hodgson's first season was something to build on, it didn't happen, however was it Jack's fault?

My point is chris, you have been a big critic of Kean, yet we play 'ok' for a a few games (still get hardly any points by the way) and he deserves more time? THAT is short termism