[Archived] Flowers

[Stuart]

A good, honest post Roversider. You make some excellent points.

However, football managers are judged on results (putting aside the ownership issues for a moment) and this clearly isn't the case at the moment.

With regard to the players 'playing for Kean' it's be interesting to see the outgoings in January. We might find they are playing for the shop window!

[Amo]

Fan leader: Our protest is against Venky’s

"Fan leader"...

[pancini]

So Glen according to your statement in the telegraph were not saying its the death of Blackburn Rovers but the death of communication between owners of the fans. Yet when this flower protest was set up you were saying its the death of Blackburn Rovers. If you werent changing your mind about what were protesting about more often than you change your boxers your might get more support.

[T4E]

So Glen according to your statement in the telegraph were not saying its the death of Blackburn Rovers but the death of communication between owners of the fans. Yet when this flower protest was set up you were saying its the death of Blackburn Rovers. If you werent changing your mind about what were protesting about more often than you change your boxers your might get more support.

He didnt say that at all. He said it was the death of the connection most of the fans feel with the club - which in my view is spot on. Yes the club still exists, and yes it will do for a long while yet, but it no longer feels like the club it once was.

As many keep saying, its no longer "our Rovers".

[chris]

shame article says "fan leader" that going to result in Glen getting some stick.

[steven]

Don't bring Jack into it please

[47er]

An extremely legitimate and well presented viewpoint, which will no doubt be lambasted by the majority on here.

And rightly so. The majority are the majority because they know what they're talking about.

[Mattyblue]

Indeed 47er, if a majority of posters on a messageboard have a similar opinion on a matter, a majority of the posts are going to reflect that.

It's not a 'witchhunt' or they are 'trying to hound people out'.

[D-side17]

He didnt say that at all. He said it was the death of the connection most of the fans feel with the club - which in my view is spot on. Yes the club still exists, and yes it will do for a long while yet, but it no longer feels like the club it once was.

As many keep saying, its no longer "our Rovers".

I think the point being made by Pancini is that Glen appears to have changed his mind about the reason for this flower protest. When he started this thread, he called it "Flowers: Rovers slow death". On the second page he said this:

"We have just ordered a Massive Wreath in Black and White which will be delivered at the Statue tomorrow

RIP Rovers is the sort of stuff we are after mate"

At that point, Glen was clearly talking about the death of the club - "RIP Rovers" and "Rovers slow death". In the LET article, Glen is now saying that the protest is about the death of the fans' connection with the club.

Pancini's point appears to be a valid one. Glen clearly seems to have changed his mind about why flowers and wreaths need to be left around Jack's statue.

[thenodrog]

That's why I dont tend to post very much.

Very good answer Jimmy............ Keep it up!

[thenodrog]

First and most important golden rule taught at Military Colleges is 'Identify the enemy'. Glen whislt commendably deciding enough is enough hadn't done that initially but now it seems he has.

[3rdpillar]

"Fan leader"...

"Well, right about now, Cleon's most likely got a nightstick shoved halfway up his ass!"

[Tom]

And rightly so. The majority are the majority because they know what they're talking about.

So the majority of people who attend games and aren't protesting know what they are talking about and the protestors don't right?

If we use that logic that seems correct

[PAFELL]

I think the point being made by Pancini is that Glen appears to have changed his mind about the reason for this flower protest. When he started this thread, he called it "Flowers: Rovers slow death". On the second page he said this:

"We have just ordered a Massive Wreath in Black and White which will be delivered at the Statue tomorrow

RIP Rovers is the sort of stuff we are after mate"

At that point, Glen was clearly talking about the death of the club - "RIP Rovers" and "Rovers slow death". In the LET article, Glen is now saying that the protest is about the death of the fans' connection with the club.

Pancini's point appears to be a valid one. Glen clearly seems to have changed his mind about why flowers and wreaths need to be left around Jack's statue.

People putting flowers around the statue could have venkys believing, "fans want and end to the past era". I think this protest of flowers is going to back fire badly.

When ever you protest on something, you always have to think on what the others would or could do. Staff at ewood could even be told to remove some of the flowers. Then you will see a statement "told you only 1% are against us".

Whenever people protest, most never take into consideration that the target of the protests have a right to defend etc what they are doing. Then are shocked and outraged at the reaction they get to their protests.

My view is that this particular way of protest with flowers is wrong, mainly because of how it can be misunderstood and abused. My back was put up when I read on twitter Glenns comment about a wall of shame for those who don't protest. That was the end of my support for the protest. Yes I want new owners and new manager as much as others. I just don't like to read comments that divides supporters, those who protest are true fans, those who do not are on a wall of shame.

[AggyBlue]

RIP Rovers is the sort of stuff we are after mate"

That statement was in response to a question from me because my feeling is the club has died and is no longer Blackburn Rovers but Venky Rovers.

It does not indicate Glen thinks the club is dead.

Never mind, keep stirring.

[47er]

So the majority of people who attend games and aren't protesting know what they are talking about and the protestors don't right?

If we use that logic that seems correct

No--- wrong. The majority who attend games are still anti-venkys but for one reason or another don't protest.They will though.

[D-side17]

That statement was in response to a question from me because my feeling is the club has died and is no longer Blackburn Rovers but Venky Rovers.

It does not indicate Glen thinks the club is dead.

Never mind, keep stirring.

I'm genuinely not stirring. I just felt that Pancini's point was a valid one.

It really doesn't matter that Glen wrote "RIP Rovers is the sort of stuff we are after mate" in response to your post. The fact is that he wrote it and was presumably therefore of that opinion at the time. "RIP Rovers" and "Rovers slow death" are clear and unequivocal statements.

It would take an incredibly liberal interpretation of those statements for them to mean that the protest was (at that point in time) about the death of the fans' connection with the club.

To have any real effect, a protest needs to have clear and consistent message.

[rovgers]

shame article says "fan leader" that going to result in Glen getting some stick.

It is a shame but I wouldn't be surprised if the LT chose to use that term on purpose!

[Tom]

No--- wrong. The majority who attend games are still anti-venkys but for one reason or another don't protest.They will though.

There is no way of knowing that unless you ask every person on the door.

I was only playing Devils Advocate anyway just saying you can't say the majority are right on here because they are a majority but when the majority of people don't protest then they are not right.

[mark1875]

So the majority of people who attend games and aren't protesting know what they are talking about and the protestors don't right?

If we use that logic that seems correct

the majority of the people on this forum are against Venky's ownership in a landslide style!

its safe money that the majority of people who attend games are also against their ownership in a landslide fashion.

everyone knows they are not meeting their promises and they are failing the supporters badly!

some people choose to stand up to them, others are prepared to sit there quietly and accept being just a witness to it.

People have their reason's to why they have chosen their own course of action and most of us respect each individuals right to that choice.

however the majority of us, regardless of what action we take - are all of the same opinion regarding the club's owners!

[Tom]

I'm not actually disputing that, I'm disputing the logic used

[den]

What will convert me to wanting a change of the manager is if I see the team failing to try for the manager. That is not the case at the moment

I've got to be honest Roversider, I find that staggering, absolutely staggering. You will support any manager, no matter how poor he is and no matter what kind of crap performances and results we see - just as long as the lads are trying?

I don't believe you my friend.

[Rovers_786]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/9365931.Fan_leader__Our_protest_is_against_Venky___s/

Fans are targeting Glenn in the comment section :angry:

[Majiball]

Has anyone taken a photo?

[ABBEY]

An extremely legitimate and well presented viewpoint, which will no doubt be lambasted by the majority on here.

Serious question .. How bad would it need to get for you to do something? That is open to all non protesting anti jean/venky folk who have yet to do something.