[Archived] Flowers

[mark1875]

Has anyone taken a photo?

saw some from last night on Facebook, one in today's telegraph and sky are at Ewood at 11am, so they will get images too

[Mattyblue]

No--- wrong. The majority who attend games are still anti-venkys but for one reason or another don't protest.They will though.

No, they won't.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

We will then be 11 points away from safety. So we would need 4 win just to catch up. Do you honestly think we can win 6 or 7 games quickly to get out of this mess?

What on earth are you talking about?? I was referring to the image of the protests in the media and that by protesting at the games against Spurs and Chelsea various pundits actually sympathised with Kean. Of course if we lose to Wigan and Swansea we'd be down, but I dont think anyone was arguing otherwise??

[47er]

No, they won't.

They will-----but too late.

I'm not actually disputing that, I'm disputing the logic used

Hang on a minute-----I never mentioned protests in my original posts ----- you did! This was your logic not mine!

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Serious question .. How bad would it need to get for you to do something? That is open to all non protesting anti jean/venky folk who have yet to do something.

Well from my point of view, in terms of the manager issue, Im not sure Id protest just because the manager was bad. I wasn't a fan of Allardyce particularly or Ince at all but I wouldnt march about it. In the same way that I wouldn't hold a sit in protest if Jason Roberts was picked to start up front or fly a plane over Ewood if Steven Warnock played in central midfield. If Kean is allowed to stay and take us down then Id blame the owners more than Kean to be honest. He's out of his depth but who hired him? Surely the state we're in now was inevitable??

The ownership issue is slightly different obviously. If they were cast iron criminals or had only bought the club in order to strip it for parts and make money, then I think I may take part. But I dont see that here (yet). Venkys are just amateurs. They're naive and have made many many mistakes but I dont believe that they're inherently bad people with bad intentions. Although good intentions dont mean a great deal if their actions still result in the club going down. That is why I can understand the protests aimed against Venkys far more than the ones against Steve Kean.

[ABBEY]

But kean is going to end up not only as the worse rovers manager but the worst ever football manager in the paid ranks. Curious , why wouldn't you protest for the sacking of kean even if we are relegated?

[mark1875]

Simon has posted saying that some of the flowers and tributes have been removed by 'some people'

[OJRovers]

Well from my point of view, in terms of the manager issue, Im not sure Id protest just because the manager was bad. I wasn't a fan of Allardyce particularly or Ince at all but I wouldnt march about it. In the same way that I wouldn't hold a sit in protest if Jason Roberts was picked to start up front or fly a plane over Ewood if Steven Warnock played in central midfield. If Kean is allowed to stay and take us down then Id blame the owners more than Kean to be honest. He's out of his depth but who hired him? Surely the state we're in now was inevitable??

The ownership issue is slightly different obviously. If they were cast iron criminals or had only bought the club in order to strip it for parts and make money, then I think I may take part. But I dont see that here (yet). Venkys are just amateurs. They're naive and have made many many mistakes but I dont believe that they're inherently bad people with bad intentions. Although good intentions dont mean a great deal if their actions still result in the club going down. That is why I can understand the protests aimed against Venkys far more than the ones against Steve Kean.

So in summary you're saying:

- You'll never protest to get Steve Kean removed

- You won't protest against the owners unless they get convicted in a court of a crime against the club

You are entitled to your stance, but what is the reason for being so anti-action? If enough of the 'Rovers Fans' did take action, rather than wait til it was too late, then the destruction of the club could be saved. Not guaranteed - but at least you could say you tried your best?

[chris]

Well from my point of view, in terms of the manager issue, Im not sure Id protest just because the manager was bad. I wasn't a fan of Allardyce particularly or Ince at all but I wouldnt march about it. In the same way that I wouldn't hold a sit in protest if Jason Roberts was picked to start up front or fly a plane over Ewood if Steven Warnock played in central midfield. If Kean is allowed to stay and take us down then Id blame the owners more than Kean to be honest. He's out of his depth but who hired him? Surely the state we're in now was inevitable??

The ownership issue is slightly different obviously. If they were cast iron criminals or had only bought the club in order to strip it for parts and make money, then I think I may take part. But I dont see that here (yet). Venkys are just amateurs. They're naive and have made many many mistakes but I dont believe that they're inherently bad people with bad intentions. Although good intentions dont mean a great deal if their actions still result in the club going down. That is why I can understand the protests aimed against Venkys far more than the ones against Steve Kean.

what if I told you I know something you don't know, and if you did know you would protest, but I'm not certain it is true what I know you don't know because my source knows something that I don't know, so you should protest incase what I know you don't I know could be true and then you'll have to pick up the pieces as you didn't believe that what I know and you don't know but you know I know and you didn't trust me.

can you see where I'm coming from?

[den]

What if some of you guys opened your eyes and realised where the Raos are taking this club?

[Gav]

Serious question .. How bad would it need to get for you to do something? That is open to all non protesting anti jean/venky folk who have yet to do something.

The bottom line Abbey is most people won't do anything regardless of the situation the club finds itself in, they're happy to leave the dirty business to the few.

Jack Walker did wonderful things for our club, but he also created thousands of fans that have no idea what to do when things go bad, and we're seeing those results played out now with the anti protest brigade IMO

[ABBEY]

To many after saxtonites

[PAFELL]

Not everybody is 'able' to participate in any protest. But non protesters are being slatted for not protesting. That is wrong.

That is my reason for withdrawing my support to the protest - even if I share the concerns.

WEC said about bad atmosphere at the club. That bad atmosphere is also coming onto this site. Caused by peoples being anti to those who are not participating in the protests.

[K-Hod]

The protests aren't working though, so to lambast people not taking part is moronic.

[Ossydave]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/9365931.Fan_leader__Our_protest_is_against_Venky___s/

Fans are targeting Glenn in the comment section :angry:

Probably because his name seems to be printed with every press article regarding protests. Rightly or wrongly people will aim criticism at him as a result.

[glen9mullan]

Been onto the LET and they have changed their headline. Never once have a said i'm a leader and was extremely angry that they used this headline, I'm just an organisor.

I have seen the flowers and can confirm there is as many as there was last night however overnight 30% was removed in another move which clearly shows someone wants to keep portraying a minority card,

People are continuing to take flowers down and please continue to do the same if you feel a disconnection from the club since Venkys arrival. Sky have interviewed some supporters down there this morning and the BBC and ITV will be doing the same later in the week.

The guardian was also phoned me asking if any of the Pune 9 would be willing to talk to them about their current feelings about Venkys and rovers direction so is someone would do that it would be great.

David Conn is the contact

[ABBEY]

Ok what's the alternative to protesting?

Sitting on hands? Watching silently as our club goes to the wall? I'm glad these anti protesters were not alive in the wars!

Venkys venkys venkys ra ra ra ra

Or on the picket lines

[John]

There is always going to be a bad atmosphere when owners break their own assurances and also never communicate clearly. Add in some disastrous results on the pitch from a manager who should have never got the job in the first place, its hardly a normal situation hence many fans are quite rightly upset.

The owners primary objective so far has been using the club for their own brand without due consideration to the football club and, importantly, ensuring the correct personnel are appointed for vital roles (first team coach is the manager, no chairman, very inexperienced board members etc etc).

[mark1875]

The protests aren't working though, so to lambast people not taking part is moronic.

Because some people are of the opinion that over 10,000 fans want kean out. If those 10,000 people gave 40 minutes after the match to put their points across then the protest's might be more effective.

Now i believe this to be probable, however as i have always said its each person's individual right as to whether they decide to be heard or not and this must be respected.

Nobody should be lambasted for the course of action they chose to take, i chose mine and i can rest easy knowing that i chose the right course of action for me and that's all that matters.

Each to their own.

[bellamy11]

The guardian was also phoned me asking if any of the Pune 9 would be willing to talk to them about their current feelings about Venkys and rovers direction so is someone would do that it would be great.

David Conn is the contact

David Conn is an excellent investigative journalist who covers the most controversial, impactful side of football. He's primarily the reason why the Guardian is no longer welcome at Elland Road. I'd definitely recommend that somebody from the Pune9 speak to him if possible, as his articles tend to be very thorough, honest, and high-profile.

[BPF]

Dukes says...

10:51am Wed 16 Nov 11

Fan leader he called Glenn my advice to him is to stop putting Rovers in the media and the paper he doesn't own the club.Venkys will listen in their own time and,I am not kean lover, I want him out simple as that.

Rovers Till I Die.

This is taken from the LET boards.

This outlook is typical of the Lancashire attitude - "Be reet in t'end. We'll still be 'ere. Can't change it, ain't worth worrying 'bout."

The danger of this is that it is not just the club we are trying to protect - it is what Jack did. If we are relegated then all that will remain are memories of what used to be.

[Puffsan]

I seriously can't understand how people still can want Kean out, but are defending Venkys.

If a dog takes a crap on your lawn, do you yell at the dog or the owner of the dog?

Steve kean is a bad manager, but so far it looks like his intentions are right, and he's trying to make this club better. Venkys on the other hand has not shown any sign of trying to make this club better. They have shown this by hiring Kean on permanent basis, getting rid of senior management, not holding their promises in funding, and the rumors on huge loans.

When Venkys took over i was quite happy with their strategy. We were gonna build brick by brick and get better in time, not some city madness purchase policy, and i genuinly believed rovers would keep its identity. It is very common in a takeover that the manager/board gets replaced,

The only problem is that they have hired a board with no authority, they can't make any decisions without getting an "ok" from india.

So stop fooling yourself. If you are against KEAN, you are AGAINST VENKYS. its really that simple.

[Gav]

Not everybody is 'able' to participate in any protest. But non protesters are being slatted for not protesting. That is wrong.

That is my reason for withdrawing my support to the protest - even if I share the concerns.

WEC said about bad atmosphere at the club. That bad atmosphere is also coming onto this site. Caused by peoples being anti to those who are not participating in the protests.

Some people are hiding behind not being 'able' to protest, if it’s because of a job, I'm afraid thats complete and utter nonsense IMO. Geographical location or disability is completely different.

If people don't want to protest then say so, but don't hide behind you a job or similar, that doesn't wash in my book.

[PAFELL]

Been onto the LET and they have changed their headline. Never once have a said i'm a leader and was extremely angry that they used this headline, I'm just an organisor.

I have seen the flowers and can confirm there is as many as there was last night however overnight 30% was removed in another move which clearly shows someone wants to keep portraying a minority card,

People are continuing to take flowers down and please continue to do the same if you feel a disconnection from the club since Venkys arrival. Sky have interviewed some supporters down there this morning and the BBC and ITV will be doing the same later in the week.

The guardian was also phoned me asking if any of the Pune 9 would be willing to talk to them about their current feelings about Venkys and rovers direction so is someone would do that it would be great.

David Conn is the contact

Which part of this in bold is correct. Your confirmation that there were as many flowers there as of last night - or overnight 30% have been removed? If 30% have been removed overnight, how can there be as many as what was there last night.

[rebelmswar]

Which part of this in bold is correct. Your confirmation that there were as many flowers there as of last night - or overnight 30% have been removed? If 30% have been removed overnight, how can there be as many as what was there last night.

Are you serious?

One simple glaring answer is that more have been delivered.