[Archived] Flowers

[glen9mullan]

Oh dear Glen, delusions of granduer if you really expect the police to pursue that on your account. I saw from the sandwich shop the scruffy unshaven critter take down the banner.

Are they going to put it in an empty fishtank with a tube of super glue to retrieve the prints?

The answer is no because absolutely no crime has been committed.

What reason would plod have to pursue it ? I know that they won't and the reasons why but to give out the information right now might leave my informants in a difficult situation.

Mmm, does that sound familiar, loads of information that I could not possibly let anyone else know.

Possibly because I actually don't have any but, guess what.

IT KEEPS ME IN THE LIMELIGHT FOR A LITTLE LONGER

Before the do you condone it then posse get on their high horses, the answer is no I didn't like the banner. But, what are you all about Glen? Is it about self publicity? If so you have done the job. Now is the time to let someone more articulate write the script for you. I for one am getting tired of the ever changing protest rhetoric.

As there is already an on-going investigation, But glad I wasted a few minutes of your time to rant over me, cos I wont be losing any sleep over you.

[super_arran]

Really?

Awfully constructive of you. You're obviously just jealous you don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

Jealous because he doesn't know what's happening?

Does anyone? All I've seen is hear'say (and steps a few times) and that's about it.

I've heard on the grapevine that Jerome Anderson is behind a lot of the talk regarding Venky bashing.

But that's all it is....talk.

[PAFELL]

In other words, you're all over the place and always have been.

As usual your talking rubbush

[martypellowe]

Jealous because he doesn't know what's happening?

Does anyone? All I've seen is hear'say (and steps a few times) and that's about it.

I've heard on the grapevine that Jerome Anderson is behind a lot of the talk regarding Venky bashing.

But that's all it is....talk.

And that's all it is.. talk. Although I don't doubt that some people are entrusted with information that can't or won't be made public.

Glen's not living off that though. If he knows something and is motivated by it then great. But anyone else protesting who is less privy to that information just needs to ask themselves why THEY are protesting.

Do they want Kean out? Do they want Venkys out? Can you figure out any reason for the protests based on the FACTS that we all know?

It doesn't matter who knows what. What we all know is that something needs to be done, based on the facts arising from the last 12 months.

Glen's unfortunately just the face to put to an otherwise anonymous movement that "Realist" doesn't agree with, hence why Glen's in the firing line. It's to be expected and it's nobody's fault.

Who the hell deleted my post!?

That's not playing fair now, is it? Is it because I said motherlicker?

[Seggie]

The answer is no because absolutely no crime has been committed.

What reason would plod have to pursue it ?

I think you probably find, unless of course Glen has set it up, a crime has potentially been commited.

[PAFELL]

It goes both ways and mud been thrown from both sides of the fence, I don't take too much notice of those not protesting, Thats their right and their stance, But I do spend hours each day having to defend protestors from anti-protestors, So its only natural that those who take part would react and respond

Yes it works both ways. But as an.individual I have not thrown mud at protesters. Yet others have thrown it at me, for no reason.

[martypellowe]

Yes it works both ways. But as an.individual I have not thrown mud at protesters. Yet others have thrown it at me, for no reason.

Because you're a stupid head for not protesting, obviously...

I don't get this whole bitterness between protesters and non-protesters. Surely almost everyone is of the opinion that Venkys/kean need to leave by now? We ARE all fans of the same club at the end of the day with the same concerns, people just voice them differently.

The unfortunate fall out from that is that SK is trying to claim the silent majority are on his side, I think that's what frustrates people.

But the mud slinging needs to stop. People seem to be getting played against each other now while the ones responsible for the mess the club's in sit back and laugh.

[glen9mullan]

Yes it works both ways. But as an.individual I have not thrown mud at protesters. Yet others have thrown it at me, for no reason.

I understand this and it needs to stop from all really, We are all supporters and no-one wants the team to fail, everyone wants us to come out of this turmoil and have a bright future.

My focus now is on three points on Saturday and saving my lungs for 90 plus minutes of backing the team, As I fully expect everyone else will too, If anything changes atmosphere wise in the ground, then that will be down to what is happening on the pitch, Hopefully we will all go home celebating the points and look forward to being on MOTD, (More than Likely on Last)

[martypellowe]

I understand this and it needs to stop from all really, We are all supporters and no-one wants the team to fail, everyone wants us to come out of this turmoil and have a bright future.

My focus now is on three points on Saturday and saving my lungs for 90 plus minutes of backing the team, As I fully expect everyone else will too, If anything changes atmosphere wise in the ground, then that will be down to what is happening on the pitch, Hopefully we will all go home celebating the points and look forward to being on MOTD, (More than Likely on Last)

I'm just happy to be on a Saturday night instead of Colin Murray's terrible "artsy" doom and gloom pieces on MOTD2!

[47er]

Yes it works both ways. But as an.individual I have not thrown mud at protesters. Yet others have thrown it at me, for no reason.

Its cos you're all over the place.

ok fair enough, all posters are welcome, just pointing out that the newer posters seem to be the ones who dont understand the feeling towards venkys/kean on here and tend to try and belittle the people on here who dont just stick their heads in the sand.

Or are coming on here to wind us up.

[Mercer]

I think Venky's & Kean are now getting a more difficult ride from the press.

Today there is a 'mocking' article in The Mirror by Anderson and excellent articles in Guardian & Mail by Conn & Wheeler. All three journalists are 'leading lights'.

Whether you agree with the flower 'protest' or not this week, or it might just be a coincidence, but the media world seems to be finally awakening to Rovers' problems.

[DE.]

I think Venky's & Kean are now getting a more difficult ride from the press.

Today there is a 'mocking' article in The Mirror by Anderson and excellent articles in Guardian & Mail by Conn & Wheeler. All three journalists are 'leading lights'.

Whether you agree with the flower 'protest' or not this week, or it might just be a coincidence, but the media world seems to be finally awakening to Rovers' problems.

It's only taken them 12 months...

[Mercer]

It's only taken them 12 months...

Agree, however, better late than never!

[Jock]

Anyone for a beer at the Jazz Bar Preston after the wigan match?

[adsfortheblues]

I would just like to thank everybody who Pm'd me this week in regards to an article i wrote to the Daily Mail. If you have seen the article that is in todays edition, that is based on the article I sent to Mark Alford at the Daily Mail. If anybody would wish to see it just ask

[Roversider]

Just got back from Ewood after getting tickets for Wigan and looked at the flowers around the statue of our much beloved Jack. I had a quick count and I reckon that there are between 50 and 60 bunches or arrangements. I saw no sign or indication that any were being taken away either by Rovers staff or others but if people claim there were more I cannot disprove their statements.

However, what I can comment on is my reaction, not to the flowers, not to the numbers of bunches but to the messages attached to them. I have to admit at being surprised at how I felt and at the moment I really don't care what people feel towards what I am going to post because it is a genuine, heartfelt response. I know that I have always been consistent in saying that I did not support the protests and that I felt that it is right that people can protest. Also that I have been vociferous in the past to see the back of managers and boards.

How did I feel, I felt the same way that someone who has a loved relative would feel if that relative received condolences that they were dead when they were in ill-health but still very much alive. It was a passing feeling but I am deeply saddened that Rovers supporters feel so strongly that they say the club is dead.

If you really feel that way then why not follow the founders of FC United or AFC Wimbledon and form a new AFC Blackburn? Otherwise it just smacks of the Green and Yellow scarf wearers who continue to follow United.

The club, my club, is not dead!

Like it or not the number of protestors is very small in comparison to the mass of Rovers fans. True many have voted with their feet (although experience tells me that is often an excuse to save money) and everyone is unhappy with the results. The protestors do not represent me and I suspect many others feel the same. In the past I have been more than happy to see people vent their anger through protests but this last one has finally put me firmly in the anti-protest camp simply because I do not want to be associated in any form with the negative image that the protests have brought to the Rovers fanbase - not the club, not the management, not the owners but the fans. I have been ambivolent towards the protests up until now but I am beginning to move towards anger. Protest if you must but realise that you may be recruiting for the other side of your argument by your actions.

[Mattyblue]

Now before Roversider gets abuse, read what he is saying, you may not share his views, but that is EXACTLY how many Rovers fans now view the protesters.

Divide and conquer has worked a treat for Kean and the owners.

[den]

Like it or not the number of protestors is very small in comparison to the mass of Rovers fans.

What "evidence" do you have to say this Roversider?

The only real evidence that I see, is a yougov poll conducted on behalf of the Lancs Telegraph, and polls that are overwhelming on here.

[Roversider]

What "evidence" do you have to say this Roversider?

The only real evidence that I see, is a yougov poll conducted on behalf of the Lancs Telegraph, and polls that are overwhelming on here.

The numbers of floral tributes (lets say half were removed you might get to just over 100), the numbers remaining in the ground on sit-ins, the numbers on the marches. Hundreds yes, thousands no.

Number of fans attending the games 16,000-18,000.

Do not mistake people grumbling about the results being the same as being pro-protest. The same goes for extrapolating the views of the number of posters on here.

By the way I took part in the YouGov poll, there were less than a 100 taking part and to be honest I voted for Kean to go because I was wavering at that point. It is not a valid statistical sample and did not relate to "are the protests a good idea" or "do you support the protests". However thanks to the protests I would vote for Kean now just to differentiate myself.

[bellamy11]

What "evidence" do you have to say this Roversider?

Marchers or flower-senders divided by number of people who support Blackburn equals protesters as a percentage of total fans.

There's evidence that those who want Kean/Venky's out are in the overwhelming majority, but those who are protesting are a minority.

[Mattyblue]

A smnall minority obviously are 'protesting' if by that you mean paying for a plane, flowers, marching, sitting in etc.

However, was it a 'small minority' chanting agianst City, would it be tomorrow if we got a good beating? Of course not and that really should be the way forward.

[den]

Marchers or flower-senders divided by number of people who support Blackburn equals protesters as a percentage of total fans.

There's evidence that those who want Kean/Venky's out are in the overwhelming majority, but those who are protesting are a minority.

Thanks Bellars - how are you BTW?

Yes, I got that wrong, but I think roversider maintains that the majority of fans aren't against Kean or Venky's. If I've got that wrong Roversider, then my apologies.

By the way I took part in the YouGov poll, there were less than a 100 taking part and to be honest I voted for Kean to go because I was wavering at that point. It is not a valid statistical sample and did not relate to "are the protests a good idea" or "do you support the protests". However thanks to the protests I would vote for Kean now just to differentiate myself.

What is a valid statistical sample then? I assume yougov think it is, or there would have been no point them doing the poll.

[Al]

The numbers of floral tributes (lets say half were removed you might get to just over 100), the numbers remaining in the ground on sit-ins, the numbers on the marches. Hundreds yes, thousands no.

Number of fans attending the games 16,000-18,000.

Do not mistake people grumbling about the results being the same as being pro-protest. The same goes for extrapolating the views of the number of posters on here.

By the way I took part in the YouGov poll, there were less than a 100 taking part and to be honest I voted for Kean to go because I was wavering at that point. It is not a valid statistical sample and did not relate to "are the protests a good idea" or "do you support the protests". However thanks to the protests I would vote for Kean now just to differentiate myself.

That is total spin. The majority of the fans support the protests but most just do not get off their butts to join in.

Many people support a political party but most of them do not become members. It's the same with the protests. You don't just have to take the opinions on here. Look at the ones on the Telegraph site too.

[beatrix]

Free speech is a fundamental basic human right, fact. If people want to protest they should be allowed to without hinderance.

I am not an extremeist by any measure, I cant help but think that the valid protests against the management of venkys has helped

to highlight our long standing problems when the outside world did not appear to be interested.There is an argument to say that

everyone sitting on their hands and doing nothing is not going to help the problem. The venkys to date are isolated from the feelings

of the fans in pune and do not appear interested in the fans opinions. Their continuing backing of kean is horrendous.

The bottom line is if we continue as we are we are likely to get relegated, so things need to change. If the protests help to speed

up the rate of change this can only be a good thing in the long run. The venkys need to realise they cant leave things any longer.

[bellamy11]

A smnall minority obviously are 'protesting' if by that you mean paying for a plane, flowers, marching, sitting in etc.

However, was it a 'small minority' chanting agianst City, would it be tomorrow if we got a good beating? Of course not and that really should be the way forward.

Depends on your definition of "protest", Matty.

My reading of roversider's statement was that he was talking about the protesters as those who are very visibly demonstrating against the ownership/management.

Singing/booing in-ground is a form of protest, as is voting in a poll. But my personal interpretation is that the minimum for a "protest" in football terms is gathering outside a ground/boardroom. I'm assuming this is what roversider was getting at.