[Archived] Racism in Football

[Audax]

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Suarez has previously played for Ajax in Holland for years. It's not like he just came to Europe. He knew it was the wrong word.

Maybe no one ever complained before.

[thenodrog]

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Suarez has previously played for Ajax in Holland for years. It's not like he just came to Europe. He knew it was the wrong word.

Holland? There has been deep issues with skin colour in the national team for years.

[thenodrog]

1. Whatever Suarez did I suspect that Evra is a nasty piece of work.

2. RFW says Suarez is a disgrace and shouldn't play for Lpool again for refusing to shake hands with Evra. (Shades of Colin and EHD here ). Presumably then we wont be seeing Rio Ferdinand in a Man Utd shirt ever again then given that he refused Suarez's hand?

As far as I am concerned a mans handshake is his own business and no one should be forced into it. What should be understood is that whenever a handshake is undertaken it should be meant and any deal or action based on that should be enforceable. If I didn't want to shake hands with someone who had wronged me then I wouldn't.

Sadly I don't believe that many in todays society either understand or respect what a mans handshake means.

[imy9]

Evra was the one being wronged, problem with Suarez is that he is representing Liverpool football club, after being banned for 8 games for using racist language, he then refuses to shake hands with the man who he abused. Rio comparable with Evra, heard it all now

What tells you that Evra is a nasty piece of work? Suarez has bitten players, been convicted of racist language and then the handshake...

[broadsword]

This thing's really gotten out of proportion now.

From what I read Suarez called Evra a "negrito", which is something to do with a south american tribe. I don't know what emotional charge that carries, what the baggage of it is in his domestic culture. At best, he's been ignorant and unaware that what might be an innocuous word in his culture would be seen as beyond the pale (as it were) here. I don't know whether he said it out of anger after being provoked or whether he was trying to get a rise or what.

But was it worth an 8 game ban and 40k fine? Absolutely not. I do think that things are now spiralling way out of proportion with what originally occurred and even if he thought he'd been wronged then he should've shaken hands.

[DE.]

This thing's really gotten out of proportion now.

From what I read Suarez called Evra a "negrito", which is something to do with a south american tribe.

He called him "negro" and admitted to this. It's in the official report. The negrito stuff was made up by a combination of the tabloids and Liverpool supporters.

[Amo]

1. Whatever Suarez did I suspect that Evra is a nasty piece of work.

So in other words, he deserved a racial slur?

You really let yourself down with posts like these, 'Drog.

[imy9]

This thing's really gotten out of proportion now.

From what I read Suarez called Evra a "negrito", which is something to do with a south american tribe. I don't know what emotional charge that carries, what the baggage of it is in his domestic culture. At best, he's been ignorant and unaware that what might be an innocuous word in his culture would be seen as beyond the pale (as it were) here. I don't know whether he said it out of anger after being provoked or whether he was trying to get a rise or what.

But was it worth an 8 game ban and 40k fine? Absolutely not. I do think that things are now spiralling way out of proportion with what originally occurred and even if he thought he'd been wronged then he should've shaken hands.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/01/fa-report-luis-suarez-patrice-evra?cat=football&type=article

Not been blown out of proportion, nasty piece of work that Suarez.

[broadsword]

I take it back after reading a good part of that.

He refused to shake hands, and that shows the sort of guy he is.

[McClarky]

I hate to say it because I love him dearly but Dalglush is the villain in all this. His refusal to compromise has left him defending the indefensible with more certainty by the day. He should have got Saurez to apologise after the verdict and should have spoken about cultural differences etc but refused to do this and has basically caused the whole sorry situation to end up like it has today. Interviewers should be challenging him rather than letting him bully them into not asking questions about this huge issue.

Dalglish has gone down plenty in my estimation, still a legend though.

[Silencio]

Dalglish has been more guilty than any of the players in this. Whatever you think of the original incident his support for and wearing of the t-shirts at Christmas was tasteless and inflammatory. His reaction to the ban then continued to make the situation bigger and bigger. Kenny seems to believe that managing is simply about "backing your own" and has failed to see that it's sometimes about dampening down a situation. His management of this has been absolutely shocking. You would think that after what he went through at Hillsborough he might have acquired better judgement.

[Andy]

I agree with that.

It's one thing to be publicly protective of your players, but today Kenny was out of order and just plainly petulant.

[SAS]

I agree with that.

It's one thing to be publicly protective of your players, but today Kenny was out of order and just plainly petulant.

As a Blackburn hero, he sadly us going down in my estimation. His defence of all LFC matters is one sided and uncomprimisable.

[Silencio]

As a Blackburn hero, he sadly us going down in my estimation. His defence of all LFC matters is one sided and uncomprimisable.

True, the irony is that it might get him fired. His handling of the Suarez affair has already lost Liverpool a shirt deal and I would guess the value of any future ones will be less while Suarez is there. His signings (Downing, Carroll, Henderson) have been poor too. I think he might go in the summer...

[Audax]

Dalglish has been more guilty than any of the players in this. Whatever you think of the original incident his support for and wearing of the t-shirts at Christmas was tasteless and inflammatory. His reaction to the ban then continued to make the situation bigger and bigger. Kenny seems to believe that managing is simply about "backing your own" and has failed to see that it's sometimes about dampening down a situation. His management of this has been absolutely shocking. You would think that after what he went through at Hillsborough he might have acquired better judgement.

Managers stick by players, look how Sir Alex stood by both Cantona after the kung fu kick incident and Cristiano Ronaldo after the "winking" episode in the England/Portugal match at the 2006 World Cup when Rooney got red carded and that had a lot of people in England upset. How have Manchester United done without Cristiano Ronaldo in the Champions League? I know they won it with him, I don't think they've won it without him not that I'm saying Suarez is equal to Ronaldo but Suarez is talented in his own right, Uruguay did well in the last World Cup and won the Tournament in South America, Copa America.

One can read the FA Report, is there independent collaboration of what it contains or is it just Evra's and Suarez's words against each other??

Yes, in 2006, Ronaldo went over and pointed out the situation after Rooney accidentally or intentionally stepped on that player and afterwards was the famous wink. Now we have the situation between Evra and Suarez, Suarez is no saint and I think like C. Ronaldo, Suarez may take a dive. But 3 of the 4 players involved in these 2 incidences are Man Utd. players. These two incidences may sadly tell us that players may stoop to lows in matches.

Speaking of the World Cup? What French players were involved in the mutiny of the team at the World Cup? Have any guesses? Let alone that France got to South Africa thanks to dodgy play against Ireland Republic.

He (Anelka) was suspended for 18 games Tuesday, one of four players banned by the French soccer federation for a World Cup mutiny that was criticized by President Nicolas Sarkozy and underlined an embarrassing first-round exit.

The federation also handed suspensions -- subject to appeal -- to former captain Patrice Evra (five games), Franck Ribery (three games) and Jeremy Toulalan (one game). Eric Abidal, the fifth player at the four-hour hearing, escaped punishment.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/08/17/france-bans-players-involved-in-world-cup-mutiny/

Ahead of the 2010 World Cup, Evra was named captain of the national team by Domenech and bore the armband for the first time in the team's friendly match against Costa Rica in May 2010. At the tournament, France endured a disastrous campaign which saw the players go on strike. The incident resulted in Evra, for his role as captain, being suspended from national team duty for five matches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Evra

In this link,

Axed French skipper Patrice Evra vows to reveal all over players revolt as French FA chief brands him a disgrace

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/world-cup-2010/news/2010/06/23/axed-french-skipper-patrice-evra-vows-to-reveal-all-over-players-revolt-as-french-fa-chief-brands-him-a-disgrace-86908-22353190/

And to be fair, Evra defends his position in that situation.

Okay, Suarez is no angel, doesn't look like Evra is real trustworthy himself.

But the Anelka saga is not the only controversy to have arisen from the Mexico match. A band of mutineers (Evra, Gallas, Ribery and Thierry Henry) (Henry was cleared of these charges, my note: see this article: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/worldcup2010/3029326/Thierry-Henry-cleared-over-France-mutiny.html just to be fair), led by retired ace Zinedine Zidane,....

Goal is not the most credible news source, who knows if Zidane was involved. I need to read that book perhaps.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2890/world-cup-2010/2010/06/20/1985928/world-cup-2010-traitors-secrecy-back-stabbing-mutiny-frances

The book on this whole incident is called "Fiasco", written in French, maybe it has been translated.

I just don't know if we have all the facts of the whole confrontation between Suarez and Evra.

[Rover_Shaun]

Is anyone else fed up with King Kenny?

He treats every question with distain and only speaks two languages....sarcasm and whinge

He is going to be tragically remembered as an out of touch ignoramus

[Captain Dunsel]

I just don't know if we have all the facts of the whole confrontation between Suarez and Evra.

What facts exactly do you think we are missing? It's one man's word against another's. The FA chose to believe Evra because they didn't feel Suarez' explanation was credible. End of story. You think this is some grand conspiracy involving Zidane and the planned French invasion of Uruguay?

[Mr. E]

I have to say, this whole fiasco the past couple of months of John Terry and Luis Suarez and the FA and the huge media attention has been some of the most revolting, self-conceited, arrogant, unbelievable nonsense I have seen in a while. From everyone. And a perfect example why I have become so disillusioned with this sport.

All these individuals get paid like kings, they live in lavish houses, their monthly wages are more money than most people on this planet can dream of making in a lifetime, they and their future generations are basically set, they get to live a dream life and play football, while children around the world are dying from starvation, people are being worked like slaves, or stuck in slave-like hopeless jobs their entire lives, struggling to make ends meet...

...and yet we are supposed to give a flipping frak about who decided not to shake someone's hand or what kind of "racially charged" slur was said in the midst of a tackle?

It makes me sick how utterly out of touch these people are. No idea what the hell goes on in the real world.

[Audax]

What facts exactly do you think we are missing? It's one man's word against another's. The FA chose to believe Evra because they didn't feel Suarez' explanation was credible. End of story. You think this is some grand conspiracy involving Zidane and the planned French invasion of Uruguay?

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

Okay, read the whole report. I won't deliberate on this a 2nd time, I see Suarez is at fault.

I accept the FA's verdict, I won't be long-winded here but let's just look at one situation:

Paragraph 87: Early in this whole confrontation/episode, Evra says the "Spanish words" unheard by Suarez according to the report which are cuss-words (on page 26), one can read what the cuss-word was in the report, this seems to be at the start of the whole incident. It is interesting that Evra is French speaking, they are playing in England, Liverpool in fact and Evra says this in Spanish near Suarez. Why would he be saying this in the first place one wonders? Isn't that suspicious? In all likelihood, I wouldn't be using cuss-words in a Russian's language if the situation arose.

Paragraph 104: Evra says "Don't touch me South American" so this is what Evra must have said and probably not the more derisive term "Sudaca". Still, the two cases above do indicate Evra was saying things too and saying "South American" refers to Suarez's ethnic background/national origin as well.

Paragraph 107: Lastly, throughout all this, at one part after talking to the Referee, Suarez touches or possibly pats Evra on the back of the head. I once watched Colombia play Germany, the two teams could not understand each other but the Colombians would do things like this to the Germans when a foul or similar situations happened on the pitch. In their eyes, it must have been done to diffuse a possibly tense situation. Here is Suarez doing similar.

Additionally, Evra has a fairly good command of the Spanish language reading the report to have assumed at the first when he heard the Spanish word "Negro" to have interpreted it as being the very bad racist word in English. That does seem odd. I'm not sure if Evra's testimony is always consistent. Evra said he would 'hit' Suarez, exactly he said he would give Suarez a "porrada", though "porrada" can mean "hit", it can also mean "foolishness" and "nonsense". Suffice it to say without getting into a real linguistic argument, that could be a curious choice of words to use.

Suarez's attorneys should have caught some of this above. Suarez did wrong but I think Suarez suffers here some from not speaking the English language. There is some gray area to wonder if some of this is a misunderstanding as well.

Lastly, I would need to see a picture but some people say Suarez did not kick Evra, that the two knocked knees.

[imy9]

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

Okay, read the whole report. I won't deliberate on this a 2nd time, I see Suarez is at fault.

I accept the FA's verdict, I won't be long-winded here but let's just look at one situation:

Paragraph 87: Early in this whole confrontation/episode, Evra says the "Spanish words" unheard by Suarez according to the report which are cuss-words (on page 26), one can read what the cuss-word was in the report, this seems to be at the start of the whole incident. It is interesting that Evra is French speaking, they are playing in England, Liverpool in fact and Evra says this in Spanish near Suarez. Why would he be saying this in the first place one wonders? Isn't that suspicious? In all likelihood, I wouldn't be using cuss-words in a Russian's language if the situation arose.

Paragraph 104: Evra says "Don't touch me South American" so this is what Evra must have said and probably not the more derisive term "Sudaca". Still, the two cases above do indicate Evra was saying things too and saying "South American" refers to Suarez's ethnic background/national origin as well.

Paragraph 107: Lastly, throughout all this, at one part after talking to the Referee, Suarez touches or possibly pats Evra on the back of the head. I once watched Colombia play Germany, the two teams could not understand each other but the Colombians would do things like this to the Germans when a foul or similar situations happened on the pitch. In their eyes, it must have been done to diffuse a possibly tense situation. Here is Suarez doing similar.

Additionally, Evra has a fairly good command of the Spanish language reading the report to have assumed at the first when he heard the Spanish word "Negro" to have interpreted it as being the very bad racist word in English. That does seem odd. I'm not sure if Evra's testimony is always consistent. Evra said he would 'hit' Suarez, exactly he said he would give Suarez a "porrada", though "porrada" can mean "hit", it can also mean "foolishness" and "nonsense". Suffice it to say without getting into a real linguistic argument, that could be a curious choice of words to use.

Suarez's attorneys should have caught some of this above. Suarez did wrong but I think Suarez suffers here some from not speaking the English language. There is some gray area to wonder if some of this is a misunderstanding as well.

Lastly, I would need to see a picture but some people say Suarez did not kick Evra, that the two knocked knees.

FA spent a long time working through the evidence to produce a 115 page document, we can take parts out and interpret but ultimately they had the facts and made a decision.

[greco]

players who are trying to break the legs of theri opponents, words like mother (Please don't use that word again)er, ######, queer and a plethora of derogatory words, are being used routinely in football. Hell theres even players pinching, stomping players on the grass, passing by they se the opportunity to step on the opponents hand, deliberate elbows and i could continue..

but calling another player negro and the goddamn world stops. negro a very normal word in south america at that.

These black/coloured/brown pussies need to grow a pair, constantly crying the loudest to get the attention and the leading role, as the victim.

i couldnt give a rats ass about racism on the pitch and quite frankly with the way the world is going, racism in general doesnt bother me.

[JAL]

The next time anything like this happens again, the referee should not allow that player or any other player who fails to respect a fellow opponent by not shaking their hand prior to kick off to play.

The referee has that power to do so and call for a change of that player before the game kicks off by replacing him with one of the substitutes.

[Amo]

I love how the media are all 'This will be the main talking point...'

Only because you choose to MAKE IT the main talking point. Suarez rejected a handshake. He's a dick. End of.

[DE.]

I love how the media are all 'This will be the main talking point...'

Only because you choose to MAKE IT the main talking point. Suarez rejected a handshake. He's a dick. End of.

Very true. And anybody who knew anything about Suarez before he joined Liverpool already knew he was a nasty little twonk.

On SSN earlier I heard Jim White ask somebody if the missed handshake would cause "irreparable damage to football" ...

[greco]

The next time anything like this happens again, the referee should not allow that player or any other player who fails to respect a fellow opponent by not shaking their hand prior to kick off to play.

The referee has that power to do so and call for a change of that player before the game kicks off by replacing him with one of the substitutes.

ill be as diplomatic as possible, but have you been smoken crack or just lost your mind..?

its a personal choice to shake hands, its a hypocritical way of pr´ing fairplay by the footballing powers. Ffs sake, a handshake and a minute later wreckless tackles, elbows flying around opponentas faces and what not, and now you are proposing a no to handshake, should lead to a one game suspension..

should wayne bridge have been refused to play, after he refused to shake the hands of mister one eye brow from chelsae.?

the lesser thr rules our game would have, the better it would be. Keep it simple and of you go.

our world and society are drowning in PC and now the next stop is highprofile sports like football. <The way our society is going, resembles a religious movement, working rather slowly, but getting their, in their opinion right way of life, to become more and more mainstream and this is done by constantly attacking other peoples way of thinking, living and what not.