[Archived] Racism in Football

[JAL]

The referee has to maintain ultimate control, so to show this in what was always going to be a highly charged game, that suddenly before a ball is kicked it has just reached a whole new level. Then why not take the player out of the game and sub him and take the heat out of the situation.

This would have been an instant punishment to the player, his team and his club with the message being sent out to all that this kind of behaviour will not be accepted, especially from players who are supposed to be the role models for so many people in the world of football.

[AggyBlue]

Is it really all about a missed handshake?

I don't recall the same furore when Bridge refused to shake Terry's hand.

[Captain Dunsel]

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

Okay, read the whole report. I won't deliberate on this a 2nd time, I see Suarez is at fault.

I accept the FA's verdict, I won't be long-winded here but let's just look at one situation:

Paragraph 87: Early in this whole confrontation/episode, Evra says the "Spanish words" unheard by Suarez according to the report which are cuss-words (on page 26), one can read what the cuss-word was in the report, this seems to be at the start of the whole incident. It is interesting that Evra is French speaking, they are playing in England, Liverpool in fact and Evra says this in Spanish near Suarez. Why would he be saying this in the first place one wonders? Isn't that suspicious? In all likelihood, I wouldn't be using cuss-words in a Russian's language if the situation arose.

Paragraph 104: Evra says "Don't touch me South American" so this is what Evra must have said and probably not the more derisive term "Sudaca". Still, the two cases above do indicate Evra was saying things too and saying "South American" refers to Suarez's ethnic background/national origin as well.

Paragraph 107: Lastly, throughout all this, at one part after talking to the Referee, Suarez touches or possibly pats Evra on the back of the head. I once watched Colombia play Germany, the two teams could not understand each other but the Colombians would do things like this to the Germans when a foul or similar situations happened on the pitch. In their eyes, it must have been done to diffuse a possibly tense situation. Here is Suarez doing similar.

Additionally, Evra has a fairly good command of the Spanish language reading the report to have assumed at the first when he heard the Spanish word "Negro" to have interpreted it as being the very bad racist word in English. That does seem odd. I'm not sure if Evra's testimony is always consistent. Evra said he would 'hit' Suarez, exactly he said he would give Suarez a "porrada", though "porrada" can mean "hit", it can also mean "foolishness" and "nonsense". Suffice it to say without getting into a real linguistic argument, that could be a curious choice of words to use.

Suarez's attorneys should have caught some of this above. Suarez did wrong but I think Suarez suffers here some from not speaking the English language. There is some gray area to wonder if some of this is a misunderstanding as well.

Lastly, I would need to see a picture but some people say Suarez did not kick Evra, that the two knocked knees.

Re: Paragraph 87 - Suarez claims he never heard this. No one would ever know Evra said anything if he hadn't brought it up in his direct testimony. The FA concluded that this enhanced Evra's credibility since he makes no attempt to hide the fact he aggressively approached Suarez.

Re: Para 104 - The FA concluded there was no corroborating evidence that Evra called him a sudamericano. Suarez admits he does not find it offensive in any case.

Re: Para 107 - It was the FA's conclusion that Suarez pinching Evra's arm and patting him on the head were attempts to wind him up and further inflame the situation. They rejected Suarez's claim of trying to be conciliatory as not being credible.

Re: Evra's threats to punch Suarez. If Evra were making the whole thing up, why would he admit to verbally threatening Suarez when there were no other witnesses to contradict him?

Re: Suarez's attorneys - The FA seems to conclude that Suarez's testimony was coached by Liverpool's lawyers in order to sell a particular explanation, i.e. that his use of "negro" was in conciliatory, even friendly manner. This smells of coverup and the FA saw right through it (read paras 261-264)

[imy9]

players who are trying to break the legs of theri opponents, words like mother (Please don't use that word again)er, ######, queer and a plethora of derogatory words, are being used routinely in football. Hell theres even players pinching, stomping players on the grass, passing by they se the opportunity to step on the opponents hand, deliberate elbows and i could continue..

but calling another player negro and the goddamn world stops. negro a very normal word in south america at that.

These black/coloured/brown pussies need to grow a pair, constantly crying the loudest to get the attention and the leading role, as the victim.

i couldnt give a rats ass about racism on the pitch and quite frankly with the way the world is going, racism in general doesnt bother me.

What a load of rubbish. Racism does not bother you, well good for you but it does to most of us. The irony with your statement is that you 'need a pair' to speak out and the easy option is saying nothing at all.

[greco]

What a load of rubbish. Racism does not bother you, well good for you but it does to most of us. The irony with your statement is that you 'need a pair' to speak out and the easy option is saying nothing at all.

we get it imy, your black/coloured or whatever, and as one of "those" its in your best interest to keep the race card going. That way you will alwys have the trumpf card or so you think.

im becomming immune to racism. a trend thats slowly but surely entering a lot of european countries. Being hospitable and lettting foreigners enter your country, getting a new life and then pays it back by wanting to live in ghetto´s, have their own laws(sharia) and stupidly enough "imports" the same mentality that they ran from. LAst but nost least, their crime rate is of the charts, compared to original habitants.

they exchanged words, probably not the nicest of the kind and suarez said negro, a word thats common in south america, but also a word evra used and abused to claim the role of the victim, a role the blacks/coloured seem to seek more so then other races.

[BuckyRover]

we get it imy, your black/coloured or whatever, and as one of "those" its in your best interest to keep the race card going. That way you will alwys have the trumpf card or so you think.

im becomming immune to racism. a trend thats slowly but surely entering a lot of european countries. Being hospitable and lettting foreigners enter your country, getting a new life and then pays it back by wanting to live in ghetto´s, have their own laws(sharia) and stupidly enough "imports" the same mentality that they ran from. LAst but nost least, their crime rate is of the charts, compared to original habitants.

they exchanged words, probably not the nicest of the kind and suarez said negro, a word thats common in south america, but also a word evra used and abused to claim the role of the victim, a role the blacks/coloured seem to seek more so then other races.

You are immune to racism? I suppose that's a great comfort for everyone to know. White man not bothered by racism.

Who'd have thought it?

[BRFC95]

What a load of rubbish. Racism does not bother you, well good for you but it does to most of us.

I think most people don't know what's considered racist and what isn't anymore. The whole issue has become too diluted .

[greco]

You are immune to racism? I suppose that's a great comfort for everyone to know. White man not bothered by racism.

Who'd have thought it?

i knew someone would be stupid enough, to mention the WHITE man line

thats a rather racist post there, is it only the WHITE man, that can be a racist..?

how do you know im white.?

[LeChuck]

we get it imy, your black/coloured or whatever, and as one of "those" its in your best interest to keep the race card going. That way you will alwys have the trumpf card or so you think.

im becomming immune to racism. a trend thats slowly but surely entering a lot of european countries. Being hospitable and lettting foreigners enter your country, getting a new life and then pays it back by wanting to live in ghetto´s, have their own laws(sharia) and stupidly enough "imports" the same mentality that they ran from. LAst but nost least, their crime rate is of the charts, compared to original habitants.

they exchanged words, probably not the nicest of the kind and suarez said negro, a word thats common in south america, but also a word evra used and abused to claim the role of the victim, a role the blacks/coloured seem to seek more so then other races.

You're a perfect example of what his article is talking about.

"The authors claim that people with low intelligence gravitate towards right-wing views because they make them feel safe."

What I took away from that article is that people like yourselves can't help having those views, so I'll be more tolerant in accepting them from now on. You poor thing.

[BuckyRover]

i knew someone would be stupid enough, to mention the WHITE man line

thats a rather racist post there, is it only the WHITE man, that can be a racist..?

how do you know im white.?

I don't. Maybe I'm being racist. Seems to have riled you though, thought you werent bothered about racism?

Make your mind up. Seems like you are bothered but only when it's directed at you.

[greco]

I don't. Maybe I'm being racist. Seems to have riled you though, thought you werent bothered about racism?

Make your mind up. Seems like you are bothered but only when it's directed at you.

im impressed by your psychic powers.

Apparently its only THE WHITE MAN thats raccis, therefore your psychic powers told you im white.

your ability as a psychic seems to continiue, as your now claiming im bothered and riled up.

[imy9]

we get it imy, your black/coloured or whatever, and as one of "those" its in your best interest to keep the race card going. That way you will alwys have the trumpf card or so you think.

im becomming immune to racism. a trend thats slowly but surely entering a lot of european countries. Being hospitable and lettting foreigners enter your country, getting a new life and then pays it back by wanting to live in ghetto´s, have their own laws(sharia) and stupidly enough "imports" the same mentality that they ran from. LAst but nost least, their crime rate is of the charts, compared to original habitants.

they exchanged words, probably not the nicest of the kind and suarez said negro, a word thats common in south america, but also a word evra used and abused to claim the role of the victim, a role the blacks/coloured seem to seek more so then other races.

You know nothing about me, I assume you can read, why don't you read the FA report instead of making baseless comments? Last line, Occum's razor- simplest conclusion would be that they are subjected to more racism than other races thus you hear more about it, look at the abuse black footballers have been subjected to on twitter.

[greco]

You're a perfect example of what his article is talking about.

"The authors claim that people with low intelligence gravitate towards right-wing views because they make them feel safe."

What I took away from that article is that people like yourselves can't help having those views, so I'll be more tolerant in accepting them from now on. You poor thing.

ahhh the old, because your beliefs are a litlle out to hte right, you must be retarded. If thats the case, ill remember to to say hi to your mommy and daddy, at our next gun convention in texas.

[imy9]

im impressed by your psychic powers.

Apparently its only THE WHITE MAN thats raccis, therefore your psychic powers told you im white.

your ability as a psychic seems to continiue, as your now claiming im bothered and riled up.

Take a breather what exactly are you arguing? You called black/coloured/brown people pussies and left out white, pretty clear what colour you are.

[chris]

only a ginger can call another ginger, "a ginger"

[LeChuck]

ahhh the old, because your beliefs are a litlle out to hte right, you must be retarded.

I didn't use that word. It's a theory based on academic research by the way, and clearly points out that education doesn't seem to be a factor, so no excuses there.

I think you're getting a hard time in here. It can't be nice being confused and therefore frightened by the changing world around you. It's natural to become defensive and aggressive in that situation. Cut him some slack guys.

[greco]

You know nothing about me, I assume you can read, why don't you read the FA report instead of making baseless comments? Last line, Occum's razor- simplest conclusion would be that they are subjected to more racism than other races thus you hear more about it, look at the abuse black footballers have been subjected to on twitter.

i know you are black and i konw that you think thats its worse to harass children with their race, compared to their weight if they are fat. My stance on that is, that you cant meassure pain and if the childs weakness is being fat, its just as detrimental to this child, as it is to the coloured one, to called something racerelated. You know why, because in my deck of cards, the race card doesnt hold an extra value.

what a weak conclusion, but nothing more was expected.

[imy9]

i know you are black and i konw that you think thats its worse to harass children with their race, compared to their weight if they are fat. My stance on that is, that you cant meassure pain and if the childs weakness is being fat, its just as detrimental to this child, as it is to the coloured one, to called something racerelated. You know why, because in my deck of cards, the race card doesnt hold an extra value.

what a weak conclusion, but nothing more was expected.

I am Asian. Kind of shows you know very little about me?

Worked with kids have you? Ten years experience has shown me and my fellow professionals that race issue is far more hurtful than the weight one... That's my opinion by the way before you go off on another one...My conclusion was based on facts, have you seen the %of race related cases in the UK and who the ones abused are? I could go on but

you are right LeChuck I'll cut him some slack lol.

[greco]

I didn't use that word. It's a theory based on academic research by the way, and clearly points out that education doesn't seem to be a factor, so no excuses there.

I think you're getting a hard time in here. It can't be nice being confused and therefore frightened by the changing world around you. It's natural to become defensive and aggressive in that situation. Cut him some slack guys.

Brilliant.. im actually having an online session with dr phil..

IMY: but we have already come to the conclusion, that only the WHITE MAN can be racist, so ofcourse the numbers fits that.

we´ve had this debate before and i couldnt care less for you 10 years of experience. There isnt one single piece of proof, that can say race as opposed, as to being fat and bullied by it, is worse. There ischildren/teens trying to commit suicide because of bullying, bullying thas not race related, that must show you and your 10 years of experience, that pain is indevidual, how it affects is too.

but again, as you are coloured, it is important to you, that the race card does keep its advantages

[alexanders]

Weight issue ?

Its not like you can start working out, eating less snacks and then change colour or background - IS IT ??

[LeChuck]

Weight issue ?

Its not like you can start working out, eating less snacks and then change colour or background - IS IT ??

Exactly - Tubbo can just go on a diet and get some exercise. Short of doing a Wacko Jacko, change isn't an option for kids if their race doesn't fit.

[BRFC95]

I am Asian. Kind of shows you know very little about me?

You might be able to help me out then,

Why do some girls from British asian families fear for their lives if they fall in love with a non asian guy?

[alexanders]

Exactly - Tubbo can just go on a diet and get some exercise. Short of doing a Wacko Jacko, change isn't an option for kids if their race doesn't fit.

Its not only the race thing which is the issue either. It is the cultural issues. I dont see many immigrants behaving like we (british and Scandinavians) when we go to Mallorca and Gran Canaria etc.

No one should be harassed because of their ancestors, place of birth, colour of skin or culture.

[Mattyblue]

I would say I'm from the right wing, I believe in less taxation, immigration, government regulation, I beleive in a smaller welfare state.

Those view are less 'intelligent' than someone from the left because? Total nonsense 'study'.

ps I wasn't aware 'racists' all resided on the right anyway.

[greco]

Weight issue ?

Its not like you can start working out, eating less snacks and then change colour or background - IS IT ??

thats besides the point.

we are arguing whats worse.

A: a black boy being racially abused

B: a young girld being abused because he is obese.

my stabce is, that its impossible to meassure the pain, and that both these children would have a rough and tough childhood and oerhaps life.

On the other hand we have coloured person claiming that example A is much worse. Imo he is biased because he himslef is coloured. I´ll assume getting an extremely fat person to claim example b is worese, would be rather easy, as thats what they can relate to.