[Archived] Next protest

[Torgeir]

Maybe there should be a poll for this.

[Sparky Marky]

Whoeverglenn is and i know who simon is are certainly going to be takenapart here. This is going to make fools out of the fans...like you dont represent me and after listening to you here and there I feel you are not the type of people clever enough to handle this...fools. You can only lose.

Who decided these guys are speaking for the people.

You need to get hobbies lads.

[Torgeir]

For an organiser, this is a pretty big decision to make, especially if he doesn't want to be called a leader. If a poll is in favour of Glen and Simon's decision then that's fair.

[Tom]

Whoeverglenn is and i know who simon is are certainly going to be takenapart here. This is going to make fools out of the fans...like you dont represent me and after listening to you here and there I feel you are not the type of people clever enough to handle this...fools. You can only lose.

Who decided these guys are speaking for the people.

You need to get hobbies lads.

In fairness glen says the people who put their name forward at the open meeting will be attending. I was there and saw first hand there was a piece of paper for anyone to put down their interest on that. The open meeting was advertised on twitter and forums as well so I kind of feel that's one area that shouldn't be criticised here.

Torgeir - a poll is pointless, not only are the meetings now arranged but BRFCS isn't the whole fanbase so it would be selective anyway

Glen - I assure you we did address (may raise is a more appropriate term) the issues but no meeting was ever going to be minuted or formal. We raised them implicitly and it appears they ignored them. Since we returned we have requested a meeting back on home soil where we could have discussed more and on a more formal level. Also when we went to India the protest had been solely based around the removal of steve Kean or so it appeared which is what ultimately success will be judges upon - hence the comment on that.

I do hope your meeting will have more solid outcomes rather than empty promises as anything they promise this time will be documented.

[glen9mullan]

For an organiser, this is a pretty big decision to make, especially if he doesn't want to be called a leader. If a poll is in favour of Glen and Simon's decision then that's fair.

Whats a big decision to make???? As Simon and I organise protest which takes hours and hours to do, then we are quite in our right to not organise one the next 2 games, Just like every supporter is in their right to protest when and how they want

[Sparky Marky]

Possibly...for me this is getting a bit silly.

Whats a big decision to make???? As Simon and I organise protest which takes hours and hours to do, then we are quite in our right to not organise one the next 2 games, Just like every supporter is in their right to protest when and how they want

How come this decision not to protest for next 2 games comes on Sky Sports news.?? Who decided that? I'll feckin protest if I see fit....dont like this spokesperson/leader ######.

[glen9mullan]

Possibly...for me this is getting a bit silly.

How come this decision not to protest for next 2 games comes on Sky Sports news.?? Who decided that? I'll feckin protest if I see fit....dont like this spokesperson/leader ######.

I dunno why it was on Sky sports news, not watched it today, and what part of ORGANISED PROTEST not happening do you not understand?

[Sparky Marky]

Didnt say ORGANISED on SSN. They reported that section of fans had agreed not to protest. It will get chucked back at the fans if others decide to vent their opinions. I just think you're doing more harm now than good...sorry but its true.

[stuwilky]

Glen - What do hope to achieve by meeting with Mr Kean?

This is taking a turn I am really not comfortable with in the slightest.

[AggyBlue]

How come this decision not to protest for next 2 games comes on Sky Sports news.?? Who decided that? I'll feckin protest if I see fit....dont like this spokesperson/leader ######.

You'll have to be bl00dy loud to be heard from Manhattan

[sentient]

Obviously someone is briefing sky. Might not work out how they expect though. People don't like being told what to do/think.

[glen9mullan]

Got to agree with Jim on this Glen. To date you have achieved a lot but I fear this could be a big mistake. There is absolutley no chance that Kean+cronies will be going into this meeting for a good old heart-to-heart. You are being suckered into a PR-trap and unless you are barrister-like in debate or have a few aces hidden up your sleeve, I would suggest some serious thought is given to cancelling the meeting. There are many ways you can spin this but I would just go with the truth. And that should be that the guy isn't trustworty, has spoken untruth after lie after downright bullpoo - he does not deserve to be debating the future of BRFC with supporters that have the long-term interests of the club at heart. Just give it some serious thought please.

Oh and by the way don't take any notice of what TomM is saying above - some waffle about it being too late to backdown and what would it look like? - maybe that's what he was thinking about before his ill-fated Pune trip? Maybe he's hoping you fall into the same trap and end up becoming the next Patsy?

We would not have requested the meeting had we not got aces up our sleeves

[sentient]

We would not have requested the meeting had we not got aces up our sleeves

Good! And take a photo of his face when you put the full house down.

[mark1875]

Whoeverglenn is and i know who simon is are certainly going to be takenapart here. This is going to make fools out of the fans...like you dont represent me and after listening to you here and there I feel you are not the type of people clever enough to handle this...fools. You can only lose.

Who decided these guys are speaking for the people.

You need to get hobbies lads.

nobody decided they speak for the people, they put themselves forward when nobody else did! you think your clever enough to handle it, why didn't you do it

[Paul]

I await the outcome of these meetings with great interest. One can't help but applaud the protest organisers for their efforts but I have a horrible feeling the club, Kean and Venkys have out manoeuvred you.

The LT article almost sounds like an Agnew PR statement

The meeting with Kean has played straight into his hands UNLESS you have something which proves his position is untenable for reasons other than football. IF this is not the case I cannot see how you can benefit from the Kean meeting.

The open meeting with the club? I feel this should be a truly open meeting and worry that at best all most of us will see as another carefully worded statement which we've already had from the Pune 9 (not a dig chaps just a fact), Paul Hunt and various others.

As far as I can see only messrs Wild and Battersby have talked straight from the hip and publicly. Everywhere else there is too much secrecy. What is this dark secret of which no one dare speak? If there is evidence it should be in the public domain, if you feel it can only be raised in a meeting the question has to be asked why?

It's rumoured four national papers have the dirt on this but are unable to publish for lack of evidence. If that be true how will the protesters blow the lid off?

All the evidence is the owners listen, smile and do nothing. I can't see how this takes us any further forward. On the other hand I don't have a better suggestion but I'll be amazed if more is achieved when others have failed at the same stage.

Action on the pitch is the only answer.

[barry_]

We would not have requested the meeting had we not got aces up our sleeves

I, for one, abhor the quotes attibuted to you in the LET on thursday Glen. You now say you have 'aces up our sleeves' and this is why you have decided to meet Kean. As I do not know what 'aces' you could have that would make one bit of difference to any meeting (with either kean of venky's) I can only go on what I know... that by permitting kean the chance to meet with you/other fans (and all the spin that will be gained by that meeting) you have let down a whole section of people whom you had gathered together to try and do something about the cluc demise and that, in my opinion, you won't get that support back.

No one is doubting the hard work that you and others put in to get this far... only you will know if what you're now gambling with will be worth it in the long run and this isn't just some point scoring against a buffoon who is just as much a victim as we are.

I hope it is 'aces' you have but me thinks you'll just end up jokers (ha) of the pack.

[Paul]

Glen - I assure you we did address (may raise is a more appropriate term) the issues but no meeting was ever going to be minuted or formal. We raised them implicitly and it appears they ignored them. Since we returned we have requested a meeting back on home soil where we could have discussed more and on a more formal level. Also when we went to India the protest had been solely based around the removal of steve Kean or so it appeared which is what ultimately success will be judges upon - hence the comment on that.

I do hope your meeting will have more solid outcomes rather than empty promises as anything they promise this time will be documented.

Two points there Tom. You don't say what the outcome of the FF request for a second meeting was? The implication of your words is the club refused this?

Working off your last statement you seem to confirm Balaji has failed to keep promises made to the FF? Can we know more about this?

[Mike Graham]

Tom, another reason that some of questioning the FF is that we are STILL awaiting the FF group report written report back from Pune.

Are you aware when the FF Pune Group are to meet to discuss or has it been quietly forgotten?

[Paul]

There isn't going to be one PB, a number of FF members have confirmed this as have the club.

[Mattyblue]

Ok folks Read through all these comments and I always take everyones thoughts on board.

1) Its sad that supporters have had to start from scratch to open a chain of communication which the forum have taken for granted. We have had to go to club sponsors, local business's , councillors, Jack Straw just to bang down the wall, when you lot could have done it very easily, so if you don't mind I find your comment insulting. You guys had big chance in Pune brought us back nothing and we still dont know what happened on trip, no club statement no nothing.

2) The Steve Kean Meeting does seem to be causing some annoyance amongst some people, Firstly Simon and I insisted on this meeting, and it was not offered, we have also made it clear no PR present, This will be frank and straight to the point, We will not be raising our voices or being arrogant, as we are better human beings, However we will be addressing issue's past and present, including remarks and contempt he has shown supporters. We have not campaigned for his removal to have Tea and Biscuits and people who know me and have met no, I'm straight talking and don't beat about the bush. This will not be a PR Spin, as we are quite capable of releasing our own press releases. If he pulls out of the meeting then the press will go to town on it, We have some interesting things to put to him, and a few documents to show him. I want to be able to look the man in the eyes and discuss gripes, This is not about giving him another chance or having a biscuit over a coffee, this is about cards on table. (This is guranteed and will take place at the training ground next week, as the negotiations last week and this week have left us with no time to fit this in before the next 2 games)

Point 3- Board Meeting- This will be attended by the Board, Chaired by the council, with high profile influences present and around 10-12 supporters. The agenda has been set by the supporters, Most on here have contributed to this, The proposals have also been selected by the supporters, again many in here have contributed to it. This will not be the only meeting but the first of many, the next 6 weeks is crucial to the survival of this club, and this needs to be done, or i'm affraid the likely hood of Venkys coming back are slim, If this goes well a meeting with Venkys is probable. (This will take place in the council chambers next week )

No-one I.e Battersby ETC has influenced us to postpone ORGANISED protest for 2 games, It is a good will gesture from us, to allow these talks to take place, This was proposed by US 9 days ago, Everything has been done on OUR request and the club have been working hard to make this happen. Please dont be under any illusion that this is a cop out or Luke Warm meeting, You guys have set the agenda, there has been no cherry picking from the club, and they are as keen as us to answer the concerns we all have and get Venkys to do likewise.

IMO this is massive progress for a group of supporters who previously had no official communication line, and have had to start from scratch, There is a lot of work gone into this and the people who have protested and the people on here who have contributed to the agenda have all played their part.

We are not in the little league here, things off the field could seriously impact this club to the levels that our club goes back 30years in space of a couple of months. Why do you think so many high profile people are getting on board?

I'm very passionate to see this through and put safeguards in place to ensure supporters don't need to take to the trenches again, Please those who have trusted Simon and I so far, trust us on this, We aint dancing anyones's tune, quite the opposite we are leading talks and doing things the right way, and all for the price of taking away the ORGANISED ELEMENT of protest, which so many on here have called to end for ages and refused to protest until they are unorganised. Its quite funny also that those who called for organised protest to end are now slating us for agreeing some progress.

All these chinwags with the monkeys and not the organ grinders seem a little pointless to me- good luck but if the owners aren't paying a blind bit of notice then it can only go so far.

However meeting Kean is wrong, wrong, wrong. He will stich you up good and proper. He won't answer anything off field and on the pitch what do you expect? 'yes, I've failed'?

I'm not interested in any more guff from that man, Ive had a bellyfull. It's about results, he doesn't need to explain himself for not getting them, that's obvious, he's a pi$$ poor manager.

Kean will come across as a concillatory figure not just with outsiders, but a lot of our own fans- I know a few myself that will think 'he's got balls that Kean, fair play, how many other managers would do that after the abuse he's had?', 'not exactly the bogeyman he's made out to be by them saddos on the Internet, is he?'

The protests were/are primarily to remove him, why is it progress to be chattng with him at Brockhall? brfcs.com have already had an interview, why do we need another?

Hate to say it, but you seem to now be ignoring advice from all those that don't 100% follow your ideas and if you really can't see the harm to your cause meeting him will do then you've got a problem.

This whole 'communication' thing seems to have totally clouded your judgement.

[Rover_Shaun]

Get KEAN OUT and then we can communicate from there.

Whats the point of communication when the club is going down the toilet

[47er]

Ok folks Read through all these comments and I always take everyones thoughts on board.

Point 1 (Dunno how to do multi quote) Tom says "He don't agree with level of success" My answer to Tom, If the fans forum had addressed these issues, both in Pune and since you came back then Simon and I, Plus hundreds of others would not now be in the trenches banging on doors. You and the fans forum already have an open chain of communciation with the club, but as the supporters representatives have failed to do anything to address the issues. Its sad that supporters have had to start from scratch to open a chain of communication which the forum have taken for granted. We have had to go to club sponsors, local business's , councillors, Jack Straw just to bang down the wall, when you lot could have done it very easily, so if you don't mind I find your comment insulting. You guys had big chance in Pune brought us back nothing and we still dont know what happened on trip, no club statement no nothing.

Point 2- The Steve Kean Meeting does seem to be causing some annoyance amongst some people, Firstly Simon and I insisted on this meeting, and it was not offered, we have also made it clear no PR present, This will be frank and straight to the point, We will not be raising our voices or being arrogant, as we are better human beings, However we will be addressing issue's past and present, including remarks and contempt he has shown supporters. We have not campaigned for his removal to have Tea and Biscuits and people who know me and have met no, I'm straight talking and don't beat about the bush. This will not be a PR Spin, as we are quite capable of releasing our own press releases. If he pulls out of the meeting then the press will go to town on it, We have some interesting things to put to him, and a few documents to show him. I want to be able to look the man in the eyes and discuss gripes, This is not about giving him another chance or having a biscuit over a coffee, this is about cards on table. (This is guranteed and will take place at the training ground next week, as the negotiations last week and this week have left us with no time to fit this in before the next 2 games)

Point 3- Board Meeting- This will be attended by the Board, Chaired by the council, with high profile influences present and around 10-12 supporters. The agenda has been set by the supporters, Most on here have contributed to this, The proposals have also been selected by the supporters, again many in here have contributed to it. This will not be the only meeting but the first of many, the next 6 weeks is crucial to the survival of this club, and this needs to be done, or i'm affraid the likely hood of Venkys coming back are slim, If this goes well a meeting with Venkys is probable. (This will take place in the council chambers next week )

No-one I.e Battersby ETC has influenced us to postpone ORGANISED protest for 2 games, It is a good will gesture from us, to allow these talks to take place, This was proposed by US 9 days ago, Everything has been done on OUR request and the club have been working hard to make this happen. Please dont be under any illusion that this is a cop out or Luke Warm meeting, You guys have set the agenda, there has been no cherry picking from the club, and they are as keen as us to answer the concerns we all have and get Venkys to do likewise.

IMO this is massive progress for a group of supporters who previously had no official communication line, and have had to start from scratch, There is a lot of work gone into this and the people who have protested and the people on here who have contributed to the agenda have all played their part.

We are not in the little league here, things off the field could seriously impact this club to the levels that our club goes back 30years in space of a couple of months. Why do you think so many high profile people are getting on board?

I'm very passionate to see this through and put safeguards in place to ensure supporters don't need to take to the trenches again, Please those who have trusted Simon and I so far, trust us on this, We aint dancing anyones's tune, quite the opposite we are leading talks and doing things the right way, and all for the price of taking away the ORGANISED ELEMENT of protest, which so many on here have called to end for ages and refused to protest until they are unorganised. Its quite funny also that those who called for organised protest to end are now slating us for agreeing some progress.

You've explained it all well and I feel more optimistic about it. Its your call and, given all you've been through, you have the right to make it! Good luck!

I hope the Weasel gets heaps at the West Brom match all the same------that isn't your call and you aren't making it. So no reason to criticise.

[brian_gallagher85]

I don't see what the problem is with this meeting as it's been one of the things that Glen has banged on about for months.

Come on people the guy isn't stupid he has taken the protests, which he first organised remember, this far and I'm sure he isn't going to shoot himself in the foot.

The fact that this meeting is going to be attended by quite a few people will mean it is less likely that Kean will be able to twist the facts as much as he would like. The fact that it will be minuted means that he will have to be careful as to what he says.

[Mike Graham]

There isn't going to be one PB, a number of FF members have confirmed this as have the club.

I did not realise that Paul. Could the FF Pune delegation not agree what to say on what the saw, said and heard? I do have a lot of time for some of the 9 btw, but a formal statement was promised and I wondered why it has not materialised.

[Tom]

I did not realise that Paul. Could the FF Pune delegation not agree what to say on what the saw, said and heard? I do have a lot of time for some of the 9 btw, but a formal statement was promised and I wondered why it has not materialised.

There was a formal statement released at the time just not a full blow by blow report of the trip, this we thought the best way to go about it seeing as the talks we had with balaji and co weren't minuted nor overly formal.

Paul - we are yet to recieve another meeting with the owners or a commitment of one but are aware that there are many people including sponsors awaiting to meet with them.

As for promises, there was never specific promises to say sack the manager just more that they would do what's needed and everything comes down to results on the pitch.