[Archived] Next protest

[Rovers_786]

A meeting with kean will not help the case,the bottom line is he needs to go and now.

[AllRoverAsia]

I will certainly take all these comments on board and discuss as I always do with Simon and the people who are going to be meeting with Kean, supporters concerns about such a meeting with Kean taking place....

Obviously if we did now decide not to meet Kean we would of course give the reasons why, This meeting is next week and we have plenty of time to change our minds, This is certainly not a PR spin from club, as we have been the ones requesting the meeting and fighting very hard to get it.

No doubt I will speak with many supporters at the game tomorrow in the pub etc as usual and see what the general consensus is away from BRFCS, I'm already gauging the twitter response, Facebook and other supporter sites, but its also fair to say not everyone uses the net.

We have come far too far to make a judgement error, and always way up the pro's and cons. A typical example of this was the Swansea match,

We had considered and proposed that we had party for that match to show publically that we are 100% behind the team, I asked supporters especially on FB how they would feel about forgetting Venkys and Kean for one day, and if they was up for a blue and white day, (retro shirts etc) to lift the atmosphere and try and give the team an extra 5% to try and win the match. The majority did not want to, and were adament that Kean OUT was far more important. I did warn against negative press should rovers have won that match ( Which I was confident they would) However people said this made no difference.

On the day we won, and afterwards was slated for protesting, I always take the supporters who are protesting opinions on board and plan with the majority's thoughts, Even if they are against my own.

I'm not daft and certainly not a rabbit in the headlights, Before someone ask, "Why have you cancelled organised protest then?" My answer is simple, if people are not happy they don't need people to organise something for them to vent that unhappiness, Planning a protest is very time consuming and regardless of what is planned or not planned, we always get opposition to it. We can't suit all and get grief whatever we do.

glen9mullan, on 15 December 2011 - 19:51 PM, said:

Meeting with Kean this week, today or tomorrow, time and place to be decided, with i'm hoping at least 8 supporters. This will be frank, no beating about the bush, and on footballing and supporter issues.

Now the Kean meeting is ''This meeting is next week'' - who changed it and why? I suspect Kean and HIS Club would prefer the meeting after a possible win v WBA

[Tom]

Now the Kean meeting is ''This meeting is next week'' - who changed it and why? I suspect Kean and HIS Club would prefer the meeting after a possible win v WBA

Or it could mean if we lose to WBA he's gone anyway

Nah

[glen9mullan]

glen9mullan, on 15 December 2011 - 19:51 PM, said:

Meeting with Kean this week, today or tomorrow, time and place to be decided, with i'm hoping at least 8 supporters. This will be frank, no beating about the bush, and on footballing and supporter issues.

Now the Kean meeting is ''This meeting is next week'' - who changed it and why? I suspect Kean and HIS Club would prefer the meeting after a possible win v WBA

It was a case of we ran out of time for it to be penciled in this weekend, with the teams preperation for the match and the media obligations Kean already has,

[jim mk2]

It was a case of we ran out of time for it to be penciled in this weekend, with the teams preperation for the match and the media obligations Kean already has,

You're pussyfooting around Glen - it's gone way beyond the talking stage.

Rovers are dead in the water and nailed on for relegation at present - if you want change supporters will have to get nasty.

[AllRoverAsia]

It was a case of we ran out of time for it to be penciled in this weekend, with the teams preperation for the match and the media obligations Kean already has,

Thanks for clarifying.

Originally I thought Kean might do it at same time as the WBA presser so he could get max exposure to meeting the Fans. Should we lose v WBA it will be interesting to see if Kean has a dental appointment he has to go to that he ''forgot'' about.

[roversmum]

This is a time when all the good work by those who tried to set up BRISA (Blackburn Rovers Independent Supporters Association) should have borne fruit. Had Glen, Paul, Stuwilky, Preston Blue, Den, SteB, Clare etc had more help and support from other fans and BRISA got off the ground there would be a ready made elected body available to deal with all the fans' issues directly with the club.

Unfortunately fans generally were not interested enough to support BRISA by getting involved with the running of it and it was unable to continue without a committed work force to take it over once the temporary committee had served its time if I remember correctly. A sad state of affairs.

Link: http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/12942-brisa-launch-press-release/

[ABBEY]

Fans fault not venkys

[roversmum]

Of course not. But for all those who are moaning about unelected representatives, my post shows the reason why unelected people have to represent the fans at this time - there is no one else.

[Ste B]

This is a time when all the good work by those who tried to set up BRISA (Blackburn Rovers Independent Supporters Association) should have borne fruit. Had Glen, Paul, Stuwilky, Preston Blue, Den, SteB, Clare etc had more help and support from other fans and BRISA got off the ground there would be a ready made elected body available to deal with all the fans' issues directly with the club.

Unfortunately fans generally were not interested enough to support BRISA by getting involved with the running of it and it was unable to continue without a committed work force to take it over once the temporary committee had served its time if I remember correctly. A sad state of affairs.

Link: http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/12942-brisa-launch-press-release/

Its a fair point, but its important that people do back the supporters trust that is being setup by Duncan Miller / Dan Clough amongst others. A lot of the problems BRISA faced in the boring detail is covered by the help that supporters direct are providing them. I was a bit disappointed by the turn out to the BRST launch meeting earlier in the year, and could pretty much name 90% of those who did attend as they also attended BRISA meetings. I am however confident (from speaking to those involved) that this will be a success, as they are doing things quietly and professionally.

[Sparky Marky]

This is a time when all the good work by those who tried to set up BRISA (Blackburn Rovers Independent Supporters Association) should have borne fruit. Had Glen, Paul, Stuwilky, Preston Blue, Den, SteB, Clare etc had more help and support from other fans and BRISA got off the ground there would be a ready made elected body available to deal with all the fans' issues directly with the club.

Unfortunately fans generally were not interested enough to support BRISA by getting involved with the running of it and it was unable to continue without a committed work force to take it over once the temporary committee had served its time if I remember correctly. A sad state of affairs.

Link: http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/12942-brisa-launch-press-release/

You're in a different world. The average fan wont know that this all exists...they just want to turn up, support and go home...its busy bodies like you arse licking the owners that have contributed to this shyte....you are a disgrace.

[Ste B]

You're in a different world. The average fan wont know that this all exists...they just want to turn up, support and go home...

You're probably right about that, its up to the BRST / BRISA to try and reach all the fans. Messageboards are only part of that, and is almost certainly somewhere BRISA went wrong

its busy bodies like you arse licking the owners that have contributed to this shyte....you are a disgrace.

Thats just plain offensive. You really arent a nice person are you.

[Baz]

Glen,

Please can you confirm if the meeting with Kean will be recorded (not minuted)?

Without this recording, you leave yourself open to criticism, and allow Kean a gap to exploit.

[eire3382]

Glen,

Please can you confirm if the meeting with Kean will be recorded (not minuted)?

Without this recording, you leave yourself open to criticism, and allow Kean a gap to exploit.

This is a very good point. It will also make bloody hard for the idiot to put his own spin on the meeting.

[PAFELL]

There was a formal statement released at the time just not a full blow by blow report of the trip, this we thought the best way to go about it seeing as the talks we had with balaji and co weren't minuted nor overly formal.

Paul - we are yet to recieve another meeting with the owners or a commitment of one but are aware that there are many people including sponsors awaiting to meet with them.

As for promises, there was never specific promises to say sack the manager just more that they would do what's needed and everything comes down to results on the pitch.

I think the.pune9 are being unjustly treated. Having gone over to pune9 they met the owners, said what needed to be said. Were assured that things would be addressed.

It is not the fault of the pune9 that things were not addressed. But as these concerns were not addressed, the trip became pointless, due to the owners failure to address the issues concerned.

Meeting Kean falls into the same venture. Why meet with somebody we want sacked. It is not as though any supporter can sack him.

Kean can be shown documents, told fans want him sacked. Till they are blue in the face. He is too arrogant to take notice.

A meeting with the owners, sadly achieved nothing. So what can a meeting with the owners lap dog achieve?

[jannerman]

Glen,

Please can you confirm if the meeting with Kean will be recorded (not minuted)?

Without this recording, you leave yourself open to criticism, and allow Kean a gap to exploit.

Sorry, can't see that happening in a million years.

I think there's a lot of appropriate responses on here to the meeting, sadly it does seem to be pre-determined how the press will depict, but worth the expirence now the die has been cast as it will be spun to look worse if the meeting is cancelled [by the fans]

Personally I'm worried, I think there will be spontaneous protests at the weekend and they will be blamed on the group that have said they won't, Kean and the press will spin it that he is winning over the fans and that they are just causing trouble.

Of course what could have happened is;

Meeting, this week, with Kean - output published in public domain

Meeting agreed down the line, with the owners/management - also in PD

Massive protests at the weekend which the "official" group claims responsibility for citing the fact that Venkys have lied in the past

Me to win lottery

Hmmm, how did that one get in there ;-)

I want to be wrong, and hope I am....(except about the lottery win!)

[Pete1981]

Blackburn boss delighted with protest ceasefire

[mimmsy01]

Hi Guys,

I'm not a regular poster but have been lurking around the boards since the 90s and the Lee Groby days.

Just wanted to share an idea I had after reading the Venkys website thread...it seems that everyone is pretty united in wanting to vent their frustations on venkys but cannot get through to them. So, how about registering a domain such as www.venkys-ruined-our-club.com (or www.venkys-complaints.com to be less controversial) and telling the whole story of the last 12 months? The site should be search engine optimised so all the tags have 'venkys' keywords in them and the text will inevitably mention 'venkys' a lot so it should hopefully start to rank in Google pretty quickly, especially if it starts to get a few thousand hits.

I'm thinking it would be similar to customer complaints websites, such as http://scs-complaint.co.uk/ - I'm sure there are others ones, this just sprung to mind.

You never know, it might make them sit up and take notice as the very nature of it means it has a worldwide audience. It might also provide a good way of getting our story out there without the press spin.

Of course it could do irreparable damage to their relationships with the fans but it looks like we're at that point anyway.

Unfortunately I can't really get involved due to other commitments but just thought I'd share the idea if anyone wants to pick it up.

Cheers

[Fowl Play]

Hi Guys,

I'm not a regular poster but have been lurking around the boards since the 90s and the Lee Groby days.

Just wanted to share an idea I had after reading the Venkys website thread...it seems that everyone is pretty united in wanting to vent their frustations on venkys but cannot get through to them. So, how about registering a domain such as www.venkys-ruined-our-club.com (or www.venkys-complaints.com to be less controversial) and telling the whole story of the last 12 months? The site should be search engine optimised so all the tags have 'venkys' keywords in them and the text will inevitably mention 'venkys' a lot so it should hopefully start to rank in Google pretty quickly, especially if it starts to get a few thousand hits.

I'm thinking it would be similar to customer complaints websites, such as http://scs-complaint.co.uk/ - I'm sure there are others ones, this just sprung to mind.

You never know, it might make them sit up and take notice as the very nature of it means it has a worldwide audience. It might also provide a good way of getting our story out there without the press spin.

Of course it could do irreparable damage to their relationships with the fans but it looks like we're at that point anyway.

Unfortunately I can't really get involved due to other commitments but just thought I'd share the idea if anyone wants to pick it up.

Cheers

Good original idea but problem I can foresee is that if there are any libelious/defammatory comments, the site may have to be shut down if the flunkys threaten legal action against the site owner, etc.

Definitely agree though that the www is the battle-ground for 'hearts and minds'

[Sparky Marky]

Thats just plain offensive. You really arent a nice person are you.

Im not a nasty person Mr. B...just sick of people feathering their own nests while the club dies on its arse...

[majorstyre]

Glen,

Good luck with the meeting, i just hope that they cannot spin it around to benifit them

As one previous poster mentioned, it would be a very good idea to get the minutes published and out into the public domain before they can put their spin in the press.

How will this be acheived?...online?, on this forum?.

Any chance of getting into the press first?.

Also you mentioned that you have "aces" to show (documents, etc?)

Will these become public afterwards

(surely a must if full minutes are to become avaliable)

Heres hoping

COYB

Tony

[Paul]

This is a time when all the good work by those who tried to set up BRISA (Blackburn Rovers Independent Supporters Association) should have borne fruit. Had Glen, Paul, Stuwilky, Preston Blue, Den, SteB, Clare etc had more help and support from other fans and BRISA got off the ground there would be a ready made elected body available to deal with all the fans' issues directly with the club.

Unfortunately fans generally were not interested enough to support BRISA by getting involved with the running of it and it was unable to continue without a committed work force to take it over once the temporary committee had served its time if I remember correctly. A sad state of affairs.

Link: http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/12942-brisa-launch-press-release/

Thank you roversmum - good to know someone remembers.

Interesting to see Ste's remarks about BRST. at the last meeting I was struck by the low turnout and familiar faces as well. As with most organisations people say a lot but few are prepared to actually do something.

[Amo]

Well, you can't talk to the organ grinders, so I guess you'll have to take the monkey.

Don't pull any punches. Do a Rafa and give him the hard facts. Let him know his points return is relegation-form and don't let him squirm out of any questions. No offence to Kamy, but he let Kean dominate that last interview. You got nothing to lose, so be ballsy.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

And most importantly, do not look directly into his eyes!

[Guest Rovers4Good]

I think people need to lay of Glenn here, if people want to carry on protesting then go for it. No one is stopping you. Personally I am glad that a dialogue has opened between the fans and the club.

Also with regards to having a meeting with Kean, some PNE fans had a meeting with Brown and that didn't help him. Agent Brian Laws had a meeting as well with the fans and he was sacked shortly after.

The meeting with the fans is a last chance for Kean, he needs to win over the fans (which is probably impossible) but I think it is good that the fans are allowing him to have his say. Whether it does any good or not remains to be seen.

I'm no way having a go at Glenn and if you read my post it clearly says that i think he's done a great job.

My questioning is plain and simple, why has it come down to this? Why is it that Glenn should be meeting Kean at all as this doens't happen at other clubs and all this merry-go-round is making us a laughing stock.

We should have stook to our guns and protested to the hilt as Rovers and the reps clearly aren't listening to the fans so why should we listen to them?